Canada’s health care system

[AllieBaba]

Yeah, Scott W. Atlas, M.D., is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor at the Stanford University Medical Center is a known propagandist.

As is NEJM.

 

[Oddball]

Remind me again, which country did ailing multimillionaire Ted Kennedy go to for treatment? Was it Canada?

He supposedly dedicated his live to health care so his choice when it came to his own treatment speaks volumes, no?

No one doubts the US has good doctors and facilities. Luckily, Kennedy had access ... which is a problem for many.

What in hell do you mean "access", other than a different oblique way to attack the eeeeeviilll wealthy??

I just buried a best friend, who had pancreatic cancer and no insurance....She had all the "access" to treatment she wanted, via private charities and other local programs.

Your bulshit talking points don't fly in actiual reality, bub.

 

[AllieBaba]

"A common misconception is that health care is in a "crisis" or that most people are dissatisfied with the current system. When people are asked what they think about health care in the United States in general, they respond negatively. A recent poll conducted by CBS and the New York Times, for example, concluded that 36 percent favored major overhauls to the system.

When people are asked more specific questions, however, the picture looks very different. A 2007 Gallup poll, for example, reported that 83 percent of people rate their own health care as good or excellent—a number that has remained roughly constant during the past 20 years. In addition, surveys suggest that people are far less eager to support major health policy reform when they are informed about its cost.

A 2007 Harris/Wall Street Journal poll found 76 percent of respondents favored offering a government-subsidized health insurance plan to individuals who do not have access under the current system. When asked if they would be willing to pay more income taxes to cover people under Medicare or Medicaid, however, only 26 percent responded favorably. Seventy-four percent favored requiring employers to provide health insurance for all their employees; only 47 percent agreed that the benefits of requiring smaller employers to provide health insurance would outweigh the negative impact it might have on their businesses.
It is this tension--systemwide cost problems, combined with a majority preference for the status quo--that makes health-care reform so difficult. Scott W. Atlas, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor of radiology and chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University School of Medicine, believes many Americans have been misled by myths about the U.S. health-care system perpetuated by “politicians, academic leaders, the media, and a host of self-anointed experts.”

Aside: I can think of many self-anointed experts on this site alone. And most of them aren't even US citizens.

"As the late Nobel laureate and Hoover senior fellow Milton Friedman (1912–2006) pointed out, the current system's shielding the consumer from considering cost is largely responsible for spiraling health-care costs: “The major defect of our present system is that employees, most of them, are spending in practice more on medical care than they would if they had their free choice,” Friedman said. “They’re getting something for free—supposedly for free—that somebody else is paying for.” Experts point out that, when combined with costly new technologies, the result is the situation the public and private sectors are now grappling with."

"“Low co-payments and deductibles fuel excessive cost growth and breed wasteful medical practice,” he added. “When medical care is purchased through a low-copayment employer-sponsored health insurance plan, the patient thinks he or she is paying only a fraction of the costs. Somebody else is paying the rest. As a result, consumers have little incentive to limit their use of unnecessary medical care services, little incentive to shop for the health plan that best suits their needs in a cost-effective way, and little incentive to evaluate their care on the basis of value." (According to Hoover senior fellow Daniel P. Kessler)

Hoover Institution - Focus - Health Care: Policy and Politics

 

[Oddball]

The leftists crybabies don't want medical insurance, as in financial planning for possible major medical expenses.

No, they want pre-paid medical coverage, as a vehicle to pay for even the most trivial services rendered.

 

[AllieBaba]

Hoover Institution - Fellows - Scott W. Atlas

Scott W. Atlas
Senior Fellow

Expertise: U.S. health care system, health care systems of emerging nations, use of advanced medical technology

 

[elvis]

The leftists crybabies don't want medical insurance, as in financial planning for possible major medical expenses.

No, they want pre-paid medical coverage, as a vehicle to pay for even the most trivial services rendered.

That already happens with Medicaid. People go to the emergency room for a cold; and we get to pay $150 for them to do so. or they come in claiming to be in pain and they are actually drug seekers. They think the medical staff doesn't know which drugs are derivatives of street drugs.

 

[Polk]

The leftists crybabies don't want medical insurance, as in financial planning for possible major medical expenses.

No, they want pre-paid medical coverage, as a vehicle to pay for even the most trivial services rendered.

That already happens with Medicaid. People go to the emergency room for a cold; and we get to pay $150 for them to do so. or they come in claiming to be in pain and they are actually drug seekers. They think the medical staff doesn't know which drugs are derivatives of street drugs.

That doesn't happen with Medicaid as much as it happens with people who don't qualify for any sort of assistance.

 

[namvet]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJgkvF19QA]YouTube - Health Care: Does Canada Do It Better?[/ame]

Canada is FUBAR

 

[elvis]

The leftists crybabies don't want medical insurance, as in financial planning for possible major medical expenses.

No, they want pre-paid medical coverage, as a vehicle to pay for even the most trivial services rendered.

That already happens with Medicaid. People go to the emergency room for a cold; and we get to pay $150 for them to do so. or they come in claiming to be in pain and they are actually drug seekers. They think the medical staff doesn't know which drugs are derivatives of street drugs.

That doesn't happen with Medicaid as much as it happens with people who don't qualify for any sort of assistance.

Medicaid needs a deductible to discourage this kind of behavior.

 

[Polk]

That already happens with Medicaid. People go to the emergency room for a cold; and we get to pay $150 for them to do so. or they come in claiming to be in pain and they are actually drug seekers. They think the medical staff doesn't know which drugs are derivatives of street drugs.

That doesn't happen with Medicaid as much as it happens with people who don't qualify for any sort of assistance.

Medicaid needs a deductible to discourage this kind of behavior.

The problem is the point of Medicaid is that the people in question can't afford insurance to start with, so adding a deductible is basically the same as getting rid of it for a sizable portion. Also, it wouldn't really discourage this behavior, as hospitals are required by law to treat people even if they can't pay.

 

[elvis]

That doesn't happen with Medicaid as much as it happens with people who don't qualify for any sort of assistance.

Medicaid needs a deductible to discourage this kind of behavior.

The problem is the point of Medicaid is that the people in question can't afford insurance to start with, so adding a deductible is basically the same as getting rid of it for a sizable portion. Also, it wouldn't really discourage this behavior, as hospitals are required by law to treat people even if they can't pay.

They would still owe the money. If we had a single payer system, this problem would worsen exponentially.

 

[Oddball]

The leftists crybabies don't want medical insurance, as in financial planning for possible major medical expenses.

No, they want pre-paid medical coverage, as a vehicle to pay for even the most trivial services rendered.

That already happens with Medicaid. People go to the emergency room for a cold; and we get to pay $150 for them to do so. or they come in claiming to be in pain and they are actually drug seekers. They think the medical staff doesn't know which drugs are derivatives of street drugs.

That doesn't happen with Medicaid as much as it happens with people who don't qualify for any sort of assistance.

By definition, people who don't qualify for assistance can afford to pay their own way.

Since when do people who can pay their way need a handout?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I can only conclude, after having read all of the above, the far righttoids have offered nothing relevant.

The question only is accessibility of health care for all Americans. Major civilized nations offer it, some for many decades, and their peoples live longer than ours and in better health and for cheaper.

Stoopidcons is the correct description for those who oppose health care reform.

The Dems are going to ram it through before the end of year Congressional recess.

The only question is this -- do the Pubs want input or to face the electorate next year with the Dems telling all of America that the GOP wants the working and poor classes to die earlier than they need to.

Demagoguery? It will work for the donkeez and it will put the elephuntz in the political graveyard with the Federalists and the Whigs.

 

[elvis]

I can only conclude, after having read all of the above, the far righttoids have offered nothing relevant.

The question only is accessibility of health care for all Americans. Major civilized nations offer it, some for many decades, and their peoples live longer than ours and in better health and for cheaper.

Stoopidcons is the correct description for those who oppose health care reform.

The Dems are going to ram it through before the end of year Congressional recess.

The only question is this -- do the Pubs want input or to face the electorate next year with the Dems telling all of America that the GOP wants the working and poor classes to die earlier than they need to.

Demagoguery? It will work for the donkeez and it will put the elephuntz in the political graveyard with the Federalists and the Whigs.

so ram it through already you chickenshits. what the fuck are you waiting for?

 

[namvet]

I can only conclude, after having read all of the above, the far righttoids have offered nothing relevant.

The question only is accessibility of health care for all Americans. Major civilized nations offer it, some for many decades, and their peoples live longer than ours and in better health and for cheaper.

Stoopidcons is the correct description for those who oppose health care reform.

The Dems are going to ram it through before the end of year Congressional recess.

The only question is this -- do the Pubs want input or to face the electorate next year with the Dems telling all of America that the GOP wants the working and poor classes to die earlier than they need to.

Demagoguery? It will work for the donkeez and it will put the elephuntz in the political graveyard with the Federalists and the Whigs.

Stoopidcons is the correct description for those who oppose health care reform.

thank you chief head stuck up your asshole !!!!! asshole

 

[elvis]

I can only conclude, after having read all of the above, the far righttoids have offered nothing relevant.

The question only is accessibility of health care for all Americans. Major civilized nations offer it, some for many decades, and their peoples live longer than ours and in better health and for cheaper.

Stoopidcons is the correct description for those who oppose health care reform.

The Dems are going to ram it through before the end of year Congressional recess.

The only question is this -- do the Pubs want input or to face the electorate next year with the Dems telling all of America that the GOP wants the working and poor classes to die earlier than they need to.

Demagoguery? It will work for the donkeez and it will put the elephuntz in the political graveyard with the Federalists and the Whigs.

Stoopidcons is the correct description for those who oppose health care reform.

thank you chief head stuck up your asshole !!!!! asshole

Ringo can't help it.

 

[Meister]

I can only conclude, after having read all of the above, the far righttoids have offered nothing relevant.

The question only is accessibility of health care for all Americans. Major civilized nations offer it, some for many decades, and their peoples live longer than ours and in better health and for cheaper.

Stoopidcons is the correct description for those who oppose health care reform.

The Dems are going to ram it through before the end of year Congressional recess.

The only question is this -- do the Pubs want input or to face the electorate next year with the Dems telling all of America that the GOP wants the working and poor classes to die earlier than they need to.

Demagoguery? It will work for the donkeez and it will put the elephuntz in the political graveyard with the Federalists and the Whigs.

so ram it through already you chickenshits. what the fuck are you waiting for?

You have to be kidding....they don't want just their fingerprints on the boondoggle come election time 2010

 

[elvis]

I can only conclude, after having read all of the above, the far righttoids have offered nothing relevant.

The question only is accessibility of health care for all Americans. Major civilized nations offer it, some for many decades, and their peoples live longer than ours and in better health and for cheaper.

Stoopidcons is the correct description for those who oppose health care reform.

The Dems are going to ram it through before the end of year Congressional recess.

The only question is this -- do the Pubs want input or to face the electorate next year with the Dems telling all of America that the GOP wants the working and poor classes to die earlier than they need to.

Demagoguery? It will work for the donkeez and it will put the elephuntz in the political graveyard with the Federalists and the Whigs.

so ram it through already you chickenshits. what the fuck are you waiting for?

You have to be kidding....they don't want just their fingerprints on the boondoggle come election time 2010

I just don't understand it, meister. They hold ALL the fucking cards. They could get their health care plan if they wanted. But no, Obama has to play Jesus and "Bring everyone together". Like he thinks the republicans are gonna get together with him and be lovey dovey.

 

[namvet]

Allie.....more GOP propaganda ?

yukon, more Nazi propaganda, eh?

i gave him a rep that will set his hair on fire

 

[Polk]

Medicaid needs a deductible to discourage this kind of behavior.

The problem is the point of Medicaid is that the people in question can't afford insurance to start with, so adding a deductible is basically the same as getting rid of it for a sizable portion. Also, it wouldn't really discourage this behavior, as hospitals are required by law to treat people even if they can't pay.

They would still owe the money. If we had a single payer system, this problem would worsen exponentially.

They still owe the money under the current system (since most of them have no coverage at all). Guess how much of that gets paid? And no, a single payer system would help that situation, since these people could get regular checkups instead of having to go to the ER for basic care.