Can You Be Both An American and A Progressive?

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    Can you be both a Progressive and an American?

    Well, let’s see what Progressives believe, and see if you can subscribe…

    1. The Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution are founded on the idea that people are born with inalienable rights, given by one’s Creator, not by a legislative body or government that can decide which ones you have, and can remove them.
    a. Not according to Progressives. Woodrow Wilson, of the Declaration of Independence, from “What is Progress?”
    “Some citizens of this country never got beyond the Declaration of Independence, signed in Philadelphia, July 4th, 1776….The Declaration of Independence did not mention the questions of our day. It is of no consequence to us unless we can translate its general terms into examples of the present day and substitute them in some vital way for the examples it itself gives…”
    b. Wilson: “ the Constitution could be stripped off and thrown aside…”( Project MUSE - Journal of Policy History - Woodrow Wilson and a World Governed by Evolving Law Project MUSE Journals Journal of Policy History Volume 20, Number 1, 2008 Project MUSE - Journal of Policy History - Woodrow Wilson and a World Governed by Evolving Law
    The Constitution stands in the way of the Progressives' agenda.

    2. The founders believed in the sanctity of private property…but not Progressives:
    a. Madison, 1792, said that ‘property’ included our natural rights, and the goal of government is the protection of property.
    b. Woodrow Wilson, in his essay “Socialism and Democracy” said ‘Limitations of public authority must be put aside; the state may cross that boundary at will.’ The collective is not limited by individual rights.


    3. How about the idea of checks and balances, you know, so that no one branch or individual accumulates too much power? Good idea or bad?
    a.Federalist #10- checks and balances, to keep passions in check.
    b. Tocqueville tells how centralization of power can lead to despotism. “Beware of government by experts and bureaucrats.”
    c. Woodrow Wilson, in his essay “What is Progress?” Wilson compares the Founders ideas of checks and balances as the construction of a government as one would construct an orrery, a simple machine, based on immutable laws as in Newtonian physics, while he contends that government should conform to Darwin. “It is modified by its environment, necessitated by its tasks, shaped to its functions by the sheer pressure of life. No living thing can have its organs offset against each other, as checks, and live.” See, Progressives want on separation or check on the power to do as they wish.


    4. Progressives know how stupid the masses are, and that is why Progressive journalists editorialize instead of report the news… to tell you what you should think.
    a. : “President Woodrow Wilson, a leading progressive, spoke often of his "vision," introducing a term that has now become central to our understanding of presidential politics. Wilson believed, as Kesler puts it, "that to become a leader you have to have a vision of the future and communicate that vision to the unanointed, mass public. You have to make them believe in your prophetic ability."
    The Roots Of Liberalism - Forbes.com
    b. Modern journalism is based on Progressives’ ideas: use the media to ‘teach’ people. Alter journalism from reporting facts to editorializing in the news, as the elites always know better. Walter Lippmann, Progressive (American newspaper commentator and author who in a 60-year career made himself one of the most widely respected political columnists in the world.)Public Opinion, “When properly deployed in the public interest, the manufacture of consent is useful and necessary for a cohesive society, because, in many cases, “the common interests” of the public are not obvious, and only become clear upon careful analysis of the collected data — a critical intellectual exercise in which most people either are uninterested or incapable of doing. Therefore, most people must have the world summarized for them, by the well-informed.” Public Opinion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    5.But that’s the ‘old time’ Progressive…not the current group. Right? Wrong.
    a. Does President Obama believe in three separate branches of government? Well, Congress refused to pass his commission idea, so in the SOTU he said he’d just use executive order to create it. And he insisted that Congress overturn the Supreme Court decision…or, I guess, another executive order?
    b. Ms. Clinton: “"I prefer the word ‘progressive,’ which has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th century.” Hillary Clinton: I’m Not a Liberal
    c. Axelrod claims the WH is Progressive:

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    Can you be regressive and still be American? How about passive regressive?
     
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    Yes. Duh??!!
     
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    I would have to say yes because being an American just refers to your nation of origin and not your political beliefs.
     
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    What a load of diaper sludge.

    I hope you didnt spend to much time on this hate rant.
     
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    As far as the general question posed, I'd say yes. Progressives measures were passed almost 100 years ago and the Constitution as well as the country as a whole is still here and pretty much intact despite bumps in the road, some major and some minor.


    As far as specifics go, one point really caught my eye:


    I guess maybe a certain "Fair and Balanced" cable network has adopted progressive ideas, too, then.
     
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    how do you have the patience to respond to that type of lunacy?
     
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    While they might be considered Americans, I don't think that they're what the founding fathers were hoping for when they conceived the idea for this nation. It seems to me that progressives often consider themselves to be world citizens that happen to have the misfortune to be born in the horrible USA.
     
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    Can't speak for everyone, but I guess for me it's just my obviously inferior public school edumakashun.


    :D
     
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    So progressives are the latest ememy of America?
    Why?
    And just what is a progressive?
     

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