Can we reduce Carbon emissions?

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  1. Skull Pilot
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    Now Obama in his ill advised Waman cap and tax scheme wants a better than 80% reduction in CO2 emissions by 2050.

    That would mean reducing carbon emissions in to a level not seen in 1910. But since we are a more populous country now, it would mean a per-capita reduction of emissions to a level not seen since 1875.

    Does anyone believe this is possible?

    In 1875, there were no cars, no planes, no electricity and most people's carbon emissions came from heating their homes with wood or possibly coal.

    So is it realistic to mandate an impossible standard?

    Face it folks this is not a plan for environmental policy it is nothing but yet another government scheme to separate us from our money and to exert more control over our lives.
     
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    We still have not answered the question as to whether we need to.
     
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    Waxman-Markey is only half the picture. Bamster intends to tax domestic hydrocarbon production by tens of billions of dollars, then plow the money into "green" tech and jobs. U.S. production will plummet, industry jobs will be lost, and imports will go up.
     
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    China leads the way in carbon emissions...
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    Carbon emissions hit record high
    Tue, Jun 11, 2013 - China led a rise in global carbon dioxide emissions to a record high last year, more than offsetting falls in the US and Europe, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said yesterday.
    See also:

    IEA warns carbon emission rising beyond desirable levels
    Monday 10th June, 2013 - The world is not on track to limit the global temperature increase to a desirable level of 2 degrees Celsius, the International Energy Agency (IEA) Monday said urging governments to swiftly enact energy policies to keep alive climate goals without harming economic growth.

     
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    China's the best thing to happen to the USEPA.
     
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    I think 80% is unlikely, but there is no question at all that the US could cut emissions by 20% - 30% and actively improve economic performance as it goes.

    We see this happening quite naturally and through private companies around the world, so there is no reason for the US to continue to be left behind because of politics.

    If every American home, office and shop had adequate insulation, the savings would be absolutely enormous, and the people saving would be normal, working families.

    If every American home, office and shop were equipped with solar water heating, photo-voltaic panels, heat exchange pumps or ground-heating systems where appropriate, the savings would be staggering.
     
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    Well, did we need to stop using the steam engine?

    Technologies move forwards; and opposing newer, cleaner, more efficient and cheaper forms on energy because you do not politcally approve of what scientists are telling you doesn't make much sense.
     
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    A moot thread.......zero chance of any significant carbon legislation any time soon. They'll pass some BS token gesture to the k00ks later this year or early next.....but Cap and Trade is dead.
     
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    We got rid of the steam engine (for most applications, not all) because its replacements were either better, cheaper, easier to maintain or smaller.

    What we have now is going backwards, away from the efficiency of centralization of energy production, away from higher energy densities, and away from maintaining our standard of living, all to the altar of AGW.

    And its not the scientists I worry about, its the statist politicians who use AGW as an excuse to increase government powers at the expense of my liberties.
     

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