Can we ignore the partisan bickering and discuss mass murder?

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The gun is a tool, it is not the motive.

As long as we don't address what causes people to kill on a large scale, they will continue.

Is it culture? Is it movies and TV? Is it bad parenting? Is it a series of emotional and environmental triggers?

Discuss.
 
It happens all over the world, in the UK (very strict gun control laws), the whole of Europe and the rest. It's not guns, it's people that are the problem.
 
It's not like you guys can..I think.

Any mention of any restriction on access to guns is met with harsh, absolutist and ridiculous resistance.

So much so..Democrats have mainly given up on gun control.
 
It happens all over the world, in the UK (very strict gun control laws), the whole of Europe and the rest. It's not guns, it's people that are the problem.

Wow.

Must be a major problem in the UK.

How many gun deaths..last year?

Can you link it?

It's not an annual event in the UK. But...

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cumbria.... 2010... 12 dead.

Just a few weeks ago, some guy walked into a law office not far from where I live and shot a lawyer - he died yesterday.

Norway... it's the 1st anniversary this week of the mass murder of 77 - mainly kids.

It happens everywhere. We might have more of a problem, but we are not alone in the problem itself.

To pretend it is unique to the US or is some kind of fucking competition is just ludicrous... but i expect no more from you... intellect is not your forte.
 
The gun is a tool, it is not the motive.

As long as we don't address what causes people to kill on a large scale, they will continue.

Is it culture? Is it movies and TV? Is it bad parenting? Is it a series of emotional and environmental triggers?

Discuss.

Civilization is only a very thin veneer separating us from barbarity. Mass killings have been endemic to mankind from the dawn of history. Entire cities were put to the sword down to the last man, woman, and child in ancient times. It is only in the 20th century that technology caught up with the evil nature of some men. Now, one man can do the butchery of a platoon of soldiers of a century ago.

It isn't culture, movies, tv, parenting, etc. This has happened across all cultures long before movies and tv. It is part of man's nature.
 
The gun is a tool, it is not the motive.

As long as we don't address what causes people to kill on a large scale, they will continue.

Is it culture? Is it movies and TV? Is it bad parenting? Is it a series of emotional and environmental triggers?

Discuss.

Civilization is only a very thin veneer separating us from barbarity. Mass killings have been endemic to mankind from the dawn of history. Entire cities were put to the sword down to the last man, woman, and child in ancient times. It is only in the 20th century that technology caught up with the evil nature of some men. Now, one man can do the butchery of a platoon of soldiers of a century ago.

It isn't culture, movies, tv, parenting, etc. This has happened across all cultures long before movies and tv. It is part of man's nature.

Think so? That's a scary thought.
 
It happens all over the world, in the UK (very strict gun control laws), the whole of Europe and the rest. It's not guns, it's people that are the problem.

Wow.

Must be a major problem in the UK.

How many gun deaths..last year?

Can you link it?

It's not an annual event in the UK. But...

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cumbria.... 2010... 12 dead.

Just a few weeks ago, some guy walked into a law office not far from where I live and shot a lawyer - he died yesterday.

Norway... it's the 1st anniversary this week of the mass murder of 77 - mainly kids.

It happens everywhere. We might have more of a problem, but we are not alone in the problem itself.

To pretend it is unique to the US or is some kind of fucking competition is just ludicrous... but i expect no more from you... intellect is not your forte.

Unique to the US? No.

But gun deaths in the UK rarely breaks over 100 each year.

And in the US it's something like 30K.

In terms of magnitude your comparison if off the scale.

Intellect..or math..is not your forte.
 
The social history of the US is that we are, and were, turned into a violent society and we like it.
 
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It happens all over the world, in the UK (very strict gun control laws), the whole of Europe and the rest. It's not guns, it's people that are the problem.

Wow.

Must be a major problem in the UK.

How many gun deaths..last year?

Can you link it?

The OP wasn't talking about typical gang-related murders in which a firearm is used. He referenced those that kill "on a large scale". Mass murder events like what happened in Colorado. In that sense, the worst shootings happened in Norway, South Korea, Australia, Columbia, Japan, China, as well as the US.
 
Wow.

Must be a major problem in the UK.

How many gun deaths..last year?

Can you link it?

It's not an annual event in the UK. But...

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cumbria.... 2010... 12 dead.

Just a few weeks ago, some guy walked into a law office not far from where I live and shot a lawyer - he died yesterday.

Norway... it's the 1st anniversary this week of the mass murder of 77 - mainly kids.

It happens everywhere. We might have more of a problem, but we are not alone in the problem itself.

To pretend it is unique to the US or is some kind of fucking competition is just ludicrous... but i expect no more from you... intellect is not your forte.

Unique to the US? No.

But gun deaths in the UK rarely breaks over 100 each year.

And in the US it's something like 30K.

In terms of magnitude your comparison if off the scale.

Intellect..or math..is not your forte.

It's quite a lot smaller than we are, is centuries older than we are, and are obsessed with handing their individual sovereignty to the Government. We are a nation founded with guns. It's part of our culture... and, personally, since making guns illegal just isn't gonna work, I'd rather be able to shoot first. It really is that simple.
 
It happens all over the world, in the UK (very strict gun control laws), the whole of Europe and the rest. It's not guns, it's people that are the problem.

Wow.

Must be a major problem in the UK.

How many gun deaths..last year?

Can you link it?

The OP wasn't talking about typical gang-related murders in which a firearm is used. He referenced those that kill "on a large scale". Mass murder events like what happened in Colorado. In that sense, the worst shootings happened in Norway, South Korea, Australia, Columbia, Japan, China, as well as the US.

And in the UK. Cumbria, Dunblaine (that was a bunch of kindergarteners getting killed), Hungerford... it happens.
 
Wow.

Must be a major problem in the UK.

How many gun deaths..last year?

Can you link it?

The OP wasn't talking about typical gang-related murders in which a firearm is used. He referenced those that kill "on a large scale". Mass murder events like what happened in Colorado. In that sense, the worst shootings happened in Norway, South Korea, Australia, Columbia, Japan, China, as well as the US.

And in the UK. Cumbria, Dunblaine (that was a bunch of kindergarteners getting killed), Hungerford... it happens.

Indeed it does. It would seem all societies are capable of producing murderous maniacs.
 
Costs & casualties in a free society, but misanthropes have been among humans since time bean........................
 
It happens all over the world, in the UK (very strict gun control laws), the whole of Europe and the rest. It's not guns, it's people that are the problem.

Wow.

Must be a major problem in the UK.

How many gun deaths..last year?

Can you link it?

Nice try at diversion, but the topic isn't "gun deaths", it's "mass murder". And amazingly enough, the UK's gun laws have NOT stopped people from murdering each other, mass-murdering each other, spree-killing each other, serial-killing each other, and even shooting each other.

But thanks for answering the OP's question by proving that we can't, in fact, have a non-partisan discussion of the true causes behind heinous crimes.
 
The gun is a tool, it is not the motive.

As long as we don't address what causes people to kill on a large scale, they will continue.

Is it culture? Is it movies and TV? Is it bad parenting? Is it a series of emotional and environmental triggers?

Discuss.

Civilization is only a very thin veneer separating us from barbarity. Mass killings have been endemic to mankind from the dawn of history. Entire cities were put to the sword down to the last man, woman, and child in ancient times. It is only in the 20th century that technology caught up with the evil nature of some men. Now, one man can do the butchery of a platoon of soldiers of a century ago.

It isn't culture, movies, tv, parenting, etc. This has happened across all cultures long before movies and tv. It is part of man's nature.

Think so? That's a scary thought.

Humanity's capacity for evil is just the flip side of its capacity for good. You can't really have the one without the other.

As far as preventing it goes, the place for us to start is with being honest about the topic. We get nowhere by pretending it's all about the tools used, or that evil doesn't exist, or that evil is a mental disorder, or that we can eliminate the bad in human nature by passing enough laws, imposing ridiculous politically-correct behavior rules, and wishing really hard.
 
It happens all over the world, in the UK (very strict gun control laws), the whole of Europe and the rest. It's not guns, it's people that are the problem.

Wow.

Must be a major problem in the UK.

How many gun deaths..last year?

Can you link it?

Nice try at diversion, but the topic isn't "gun deaths", it's "mass murder". And amazingly enough, the UK's gun laws have NOT stopped people from murdering each other, mass-murdering each other, spree-killing each other, serial-killing each other, and even shooting each other.

But thanks for answering the OP's question by proving that we can't, in fact, have a non-partisan discussion of the true causes behind heinous crimes.

In fact, after England banned guns in 1997, their rate of crime increased. According to the British Home Office and reported by BBC, street robberies were up 28% by 2001, violent crime up 11%, murders up 4%, and rape up 14%. The trend continued in 2004 with a 10% increase in street crime, 8% increase in muggings, and a 22% increase in robberies.

I'm beginning to think criminals don't obey the rules. Sup' with that?

Well, at least they got rid of all those evil handguns, right? Nope. According to a King's College study, handguns were used in 3,685 British offenses in 2000 compared with 2,648 in 1997, an increase of 40%.

Bummer.

So what's happening lately in the UK, now void of private gun ownership? According to a 2009 joint report of the European Commission and United Nations, the UK has the highest rate of violent crime in Europe...higher than the United States! And, they have the second highest overall crime rate in the EU. Then there's this gem: by 2007, firearms used in crimes doubled...fricken doubled!

But America's gun grabbing nanny staters know what's best...THEIR plan for more gun laws will surely do the trick. :eusa_whistle:
 
Wow.

Must be a major problem in the UK.

How many gun deaths..last year?

Can you link it?

Nice try at diversion, but the topic isn't "gun deaths", it's "mass murder". And amazingly enough, the UK's gun laws have NOT stopped people from murdering each other, mass-murdering each other, spree-killing each other, serial-killing each other, and even shooting each other.

But thanks for answering the OP's question by proving that we can't, in fact, have a non-partisan discussion of the true causes behind heinous crimes.

In fact, after England banned guns in 1997, their rate of crime increased. According to the British Home Office and reported by BBC, street robberies were up 28% by 2001, violent crime up 11%, murders up 4%, and rape up 14%. The trend continued in 2004 with a 10% increase in street crime, 8% increase in muggings, and a 22% increase in robberies.

I'm beginning to think criminals don't obey the rules. Sup' with that?

Well, at least they got rid of all those evil handguns, right? Nope. According to a King's College study, handguns were used in 3,685 British offenses in 2000 compared with 2,648 in 1997, an increase of 40%.

Bummer.

So what's happening lately in the UK, now void of private gun ownership? According to a 2009 joint report of the European Commission and United Nations, the UK has the highest rate of violent crime in Europe...higher than the United States! And, they have the second highest overall crime rate in the EU. Then there's this gem: by 2007, firearms used in crimes doubled...fricken doubled!

But America's gun grabbing nanny staters know what's best...THEIR plan for more gun laws will surely do the trick. :eusa_whistle:

And apparently, people are much "safer" if they're killed with a knife or a blunt object than if they're killed with a gun. :eusa_whistle:

Gotta love liberal logic, if only because trying to follow it lets you feel like you're on LSD while still sober.
 

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