Can We All Now Agree That Socialism/Communism Has Failed?...

[☭proletarian☭]

Megalomaniacs always want to control everything no matter how bad they're failing. This President's micromanaging of our economy has been an awful disaster. It's time for him to check his giant ego and Marxist leanings at the door and stop all the micromanaging. Enough is enough for God's sake.

You see, most people actually read the replies.

Not you, though, apparently.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

No Form of Communism is more Democratic than our own Government.

FAIL
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Communism is almost always proposed as a pure democracy, and rarely as a mixed democracy with a majority vote on major issues and a council of some sort (with elected positions) for mundane tasks of governance.

That make sit much more democratic than our representational system.

Communism is a Sad Chapter in History

When was the 'Communist Age'?

Communism strives for the complete equality of all incomes, and therefore, everything.

Not quite. Communism strives for collective ownership of the means of production and a society in which no man, woman, or child is lacking in the necessities of life. Communism also seeks to eliminate legal inequalities and reduce social inequalities to the point where no party can oppress or exploit another. Communism seeks social and economic egalitarianism- it is the natural evolution of the egalitarian thought first popularized in the West by Liberal philosophers like Locke.

Way to cite your quote, btw.

For example: people work so they can make money to support themselves.

Not quite. Ultimately, people labour for two reasons: a sense of accomplishment and the procurement of the things they need to sustain their existence and achieve a comfortable standard of living. Money only entered the picture rather late in the show.

When there is nothing to achieve by working harder or longer, people begin to become idle. People begin to work less or not work at all because there is no longer the incentive of making more money or advancing in job.

Not quite. again, refer to Engels' [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Condition-Working-England-Penguin-Classics/dp/0140444866]Amazon.com: The Condition of the Working Class in England (Penguin Classics) (9780140444865): Friedrich Engels, Victor Kiernan: Books[/ame]

They could not improve their condition, but existing in a purer Capitalist society, were exploited and had no choice but to labour as hard as they could while being unable to sustain themselves. ONly later, after the Third International and great efforts by the Communist-led Labour Movement did we reach the point we are at today.

Free will cannot be suppressed: Communism attempts the impossible: to control human individualism by making a society of inherently individual people uniform. Thought is free and independent and, no matter how hard anyone tries, can never be fully controlled.

It is Totalitarianism, not Communism which seeks to control the minds of the populace. In a communist society, the individual can be truly free and truly express his/herself, freed of the chains of the old classes and castes.


For the record, the Utopians are a small minority of communists, and are oft held in low regard more the more pragmatic.

The CCCP was a totilarian dictatorship which was in no way Communist. Same for China. The People owned nothing. Only the Party which was the State had anything.

The rest you mentioned are all dictatorships or oligarchies controlled by authoritarian rulers. The People own nothing, have no rights, and are not in power- they are not Communist societies.

 

[Munin]

Let me explain what europe actually is in ideologic terms, it s a group of countries that are neither solely capitalist or socialist. They are in essence more democratic countries than the US is, why? Because their governments almost never solely exist out of 1 party, the reason for this is the big number and variaty of parties existing in most european countries: their governments exist out of multiple (in some cases even more than 2) parties with different views.


So is Europe socialist? Yes, but not in the way many smallminded people on the right side of the political spectrum in the US seem to think: Europe is socialist because of the many democratic socialist parties that exist there (and influence they have on the laws and government policies that have been made and are being made). This influence has caused Europe to have several socialist ideas to be implemented: universal healthcare being one of them, more rights for workers being another socialist idea, ... Has universal healthcare been successful? Yes it has been successful, most young people can't afford expensive healthcare (so by having this system it will allow them to have cheap healthcare). In europe it is more seen as a way of being a civilised nation: you can often see how civilised a nation is by how it treats the weakest in its society.


The other mistake that is often made by smallminded people is that they think that socialist views can not co-exist with capitalist views in Europe (in short: that a country has to be either socialist or capitalist). Europeans also view socialism it with much less hysterical mindset, mostly because they don't confuse it with communism (where the state controlls a whole country: something that is still a hated ideology around europe, because many have seen the consequences of it).


Is europe innefficient as a result of this mixed system of socialist/capitalist/... influences?
Let us look at the facts: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Too much is too much. These Marxist kooks have completely sunk many future generations to come. This guy's micromanaging is only going to create more devastating problems. Like i've said many times...Socialism/Communism only begets more Socialism/Communism. Once you begin you just keep on sliding down that slippery slope. Very dark days are ahead for this nation unfortunately.

 

[DiamondDave]

I still laugh at how the kooks think state communism or socialism revolves around 'democracy'... because we all know that people readily accept (without force or control) that their family and their family's future does not come before entitlements, handouts, and equal shares with the lazy jackoff halfway across the country who does nothing more than slap mustard on a hot dog... that the lazy jackoff is entitled to the fruits of the productive people's labor

 

[Tom Clancy]

I knew all along you were gonna come and Defend Communism, ☭proletarian☭..

But your just an idiot who thinks Communism is a form of Democracy.

That right there drops all Credibility in your posts.


Communism Age was at it's highest during the Cold War.


See!? You come blabbering about how USSR, China, N.Korea and Cuba etc etc, aren't real Communist States..

But you fail to realize Communism is impossible to Achieve. how? Because Communism does the opposite of what the book says. It might sound perfect on paper, but when exercised it is nothing but a big fat Fail.

The only people who keep getting Rich are Government Officials. The people are screwed over.



Communism isn't only a Failed Form of Government, it Kills. My Grandparents first hand lived through the Spanish Civil War, do you know about that war?

My Great Grandfather was almost killed by Communists, only because he owned a buisness that still lives today. He had to Disguise himself as another person when they came to kill him, they had to keep moving around so they wouldn't catch him.

Does that sound like Freedom to you?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Read yer "Rules for Radicals" it's all in there.

 

[sboyle24]

McCarthyism is retarded.

 

[bee123]

This President due to a pretty inflated ego and Marxist leanings continues to try and micromanage our economy and has failed miserably. His State of the Union speech last night only confirmed that he plans on continuing to micromanage and destroy our economy further. I mean how much more Government intervention and Legislation can him and the Democrats offer up? Can't they see that they have failed miserably?

They seem to have completely lost it at his point. One day they're giving Billions in Tax Dollars to the corrupt corporate creeps and then the next day they're claiming to hate those same corrupt corporate creeps. They just can't seem to make up their minds. This is what too much Government intervention ultimately leads to. More Government micromanaging of the economy is exactly what we don't need. Haven't they done enough damage? This President needs to shove his giant ego and Marxist leanings aside and do what's right for the country. He can't continue on this incredibly destructive path he is on. I really do hope him and the Democrats figure this out before it's too late.

It'll work this time....I just know it will....

Insanity- Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results...

 

[bee123]

You bitch about a non existent marxist ideology of Obama and totally ignore the Corporatist Fascist ruling of the Supreme Court.

What a bunch of right wing swill.

I'll take corrupt capitalism over a corrupt government any day....

 

[mascale]

The Soviet General tried to restore the Communist regime, and failed. Notably, however, the Russians did turn to the Head of the Secret Police for eventual leadership, and nations all around the world wondered if the old regime would make a comeback again.

The old regime actually had rich and poor, and the rich would tend to get richer, and the poor would tend to get poorer.

This has happened in history, before. It failed in the Soviet Union. It most recently failed in the United States. It failed in Argentina. It failed in Indonesia. It failed in Japan.

In fact, in history, it didn't even work too well for the Czar.

But no matter. Socialist planning and design is restored again, even in the United States. The Refundable Tax Credit can be thought of as second attempt at a National Cost-Of-Living Adjustment, properly computed. It is in the form of an equal-dollar amount. The first attempt was the raised and Indexed, standard deduction and personal exemptions in the the U. S. Federal Income Tax reform of 1986.

Normally, The Christian Right prefers to pray for it. "Give Us This Day, Our Daily Bread," is famous worldwide as a supplication to some nameless deity, of the Jewish people.

The United States, of course, originates of Philadephia, of Penn's famous colony. Jewish it is not.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Old Fat Quaker Man Actually though Indigenous Peoples had a claim to the new land, since it was actually their land in the first place. Now even Great Half-Wit Father In Washington, even thinks Afghanistan is the USA! Conservative GOP, came up with that idea! Now maybe try to buy Yemen(?)!)

 

[Tom Clancy]

Read yer "Rules for Radicals" it's all in there.

Sorry didn't get back to you on your previous post, but i'll make sure to check out that book, thanks for the tip.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

your just an idiot

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who thinks Communism is a form of Democracy.

It is, by definition. The Communist form of governance, like the Republican form of the the democratic type.

Communism Age was at it's highest during the Cold War.

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See!? You come blabbering about how USSR, China, N.Korea and Cuba etc etc, aren't real Communist States..

Because they weren't.

But you fail to realize Communism is impossible to Achieve.

No, it's not. It is no more impossible than the Republic- both had to emerge in their own time with the progression of civilization towards a more egalitarian reality. The Communist Age has yet to manifest. Man and his civilizations are not yet mature and enlightened enough, though much progress has been made since the emergence of the Liberal Age, which marks a series of major shifts towards an egalitarian reality in the Western world.

how? Because Communism does the opposite of what the book says. It might sound perfect on paper, but when exercised it is nothing but a big fat Fail.

Communism has never been allowed to develop on its own on the large scale. Most small-scale attempts to guide its emergence failed primarily because the society in question had not yet attained the necessary level of technological development.

The only people who keep getting Rich are Government Officials. The people are screwed over.

Sounds like Capitalism...

Communism isn't only a Failed Form of Government, it Kills. My Grandparents first hand lived through the Spanish Civil War, do you know about that war?

What about it?

I have said many times that a Communist civilization cannot be forced into existence. Such a concept as forcing a Communist civilization into existence is self-contradictory.

 

[Tom Clancy]

your just an idiot

Thanks for the Reminder.

who thinks Communism is a form of Democracy.

It is, by definition. The Communist form of governance, like the Republican form of the the democratic type.

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Because they weren't.


No, it's not. It is no more impossible than the Republic- both had to emerge in their own time with the progression of civilization towards a more egalitarian reality. The Communist Age has yet to manifest. Man and his civilizations are not yet mature and enlightened enough, though much progress has been made since the emergence of the Liberal Age, which marks a series of major shifts towards an egalitarian reality in the Western world.


Communism has never been allowed to develop on its own on the large scale. Most small-scale attempts to guide its emergence failed primarily because the society in question had not yet attained the necessary level of technological development.

The only people who keep getting Rich are Government Officials. The people are screwed over.

Sounds like Capitalism...

Communism isn't only a Failed Form of Government, it Kills. My Grandparents first hand lived through the Spanish Civil War, do you know about that war?

What about it?

I have said many times that a Communist civilization cannot be forced into existence. Such a concept as forcing a Communist civilization into existence is self-contradictory.

First: Democracy: the political orientation of those who favor government by the people or by their elected representatives.

Does that sound like Communism? Nah. Most Communist Countries have a Dictator. does that sound like Democracy?


Want to know why Communist won't develop or will ever Develop anytime soon?

Because it's a Failure of a System. It's impossible to achieve. Unlike Democracy, it's Possible to achieve.. never mind.. it has been achieved loooong time ago. Look for Example the Roman Civilization.

You can come at me all you want about how Communism is possible and how it's a Free form of Government but your just to stubborn too understand the facts on how Communism is Fail.

Sure it sounds Perfect on paper, I wish there wasn't any Hunger in the world, that we could all afford Mercedes, or Range Rovers, and that we were all Rich etc etc...

But you have to be Realistic for a moment.. The Freest form of Government is Democracy, and the Freest Economic System is Capitalism.. While it has it's flaws it's the only that works.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

First: Democracy: the political orientation of those who favor government by the people or by their elected representatives.

Fail.

1) You defined representative democracy, which is a subset of democracy. Democracy includes both representative and dirwect democracy.

S: (n) majority rule, democracy (the doctrine that the numerical majority of an organized group can make decisions binding on the whole group)

Does that sound like Communism?

Yep. Many Communist systems include a panel/council of elected representatives for governance of mundane matters. Most call for a majority vote for major decisions.

Nah. Most Communist Countries have a Dictator.

Fail. Dictatorships have a dictator. Communist states do not and never have.

It's impossible to achieve. Unlike Democracy

Communism is a democratic system.

Look for Example the Roman Civilization.

You mean the system that became the Roman Empire?

But you have to be Realistic for a moment.. The Freest form of Government is Democracy,

Unfettered democracy, either representative or direct, fails to protect the individual.

and the Freest Economic System is Capitalism..

Only for the rich. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Condition-Working-England-Oxford-Classics/dp/0192836889"]The poor get shat upon.[/ame] That's why the reformist branch socio-communist thought (see: Social Democray)has taken hold in the last 100+ years, giving us workers' rights laws, the breakup of the trusts, and regulations of the market such as required transparency.

 

[Tom Clancy]

How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.

Quote:Fail. Dictatorships have a dictator. Communist states do not and never have.

That right there just makes me want to end this discussion and just call you the most idiotic person in this thread..


Capitalism like i said has it's flaws.. But it's the one that Creates Prosperity, it lets the little guy create business to feed his family and his employees's Family.

Communism is the opposite. Government controls all forms of Private Business, there is no prosperity other than the Government Officials, they are the only ones getting the $.



Do you oppose Capitalism because it requires people to work? You prefer a Form of Government that hands it out for free? or so it Promises?

I call myself a Capitalist, but a laissez faire Capitalist.


Also: Tell me.. If you want to Start a Small Buisness, let's say your selling Apples, do you think you'll create Prosperity in a Communist state? or a Capitalist state?

Have you even lived in a Communist Country? Do you know how it is being part of it? I'm going to guess no.

People take Freedom for Granted, they think Communism or Anarchism or whatever Radical form of Government will work or will be better than what they have now.

And that my friend, is sad.

 

[gautama]

There are very few (if any) socialist states anymore and fewer true communist states. What state are you referring to when you say "socialist"?

One of the last two openly open communist regimes has it's people trying to get into GITMO, and others more than willing to risk death floating on wooden doors 90 miles to Key West if possible. You should see how many Cuban people the Coast Guard picks up every single day in the waters around Key West.

And Cuba is not a true communist state.

Then neither is China.

And, no "true" Socialist states exist either.

And, no "true" Democracies exist either.

And, no "true" Monarchies exist either.

But, I'll tell you without any equivocation, there is at least ONE fucking idiot among the many Obamarrhoids that is a "true" fucking idiot, and that is YOU.......you fucking "true" idiot.

 

[rdean]

This President due to a pretty inflated ego and Marxist leanings continues to try and micromanage our economy and has failed miserably. His State of the Union speech last night only confirmed that he plans on continuing to micromanage and destroy our economy further. I mean how much more Government intervention and Legislation can him and the Democrats offer up? Can't they see that they have failed miserably?

They seem to have completely lost it at his point. One day they're giving Billions in Tax Dollars to the corrupt corporate creeps and then the next day they're claiming to hate those same corrupt corporate creeps. They just can't seem to make up their minds. This is what too much Government intervention ultimately leads to. More Government micromanaging of the economy is exactly what we don't need. Haven't they done enough damage? This President needs to shove his giant ego and Marxist leanings aside and do what's right for the country. He can't continue on this incredibly destructive path he is on. I really do hope him and the Democrats figure this out before it's too late.

Can We All Now Agree That Socialism/Communism Has Failed?...
So have the Republicans. Thank Gawd our president is NEITHER a Socialist nor a Communist.

 

[gautama]

This President due to a pretty inflated ego and Marxist leanings continues to try and micromanage our economy and has failed miserably. His State of the Union speech last night only confirmed that he plans on continuing to micromanage and destroy our economy further. I mean how much more Government intervention and Legislation can him and the Democrats offer up? Can't they see that they have failed miserably?

They seem to have completely lost it at his point. One day they're giving Billions in Tax Dollars to the corrupt corporate creeps and then the next day they're claiming to hate those same corrupt corporate creeps. They just can't seem to make up their minds. This is what too much Government intervention ultimately leads to. More Government micromanaging of the economy is exactly what we don't need. Haven't they done enough damage? This President needs to shove his giant ego and Marxist leanings aside and do what's right for the country. He can't continue on this incredibly destructive path he is on. I really do hope him and the Democrats figure this out before it's too late.

Can We All Now Agree That Socialism/Communism Has Failed?...
So have the Republicans. Thank Gawd our president is NEITHER a Socialist nor a Communist.

At the present time, and probably for the rest of the FIRST TERM the MOST FRAUDULENT FRAUD of all FRAUDS has revealed himself to be a MARXIST Muslim PC Protector Obami Salami.

If this MOST FRAUDULENT FRAUD of all FRAUDS will be re-elected to the SECOND TERM (GAWD FORBID), then Obami Salami will most certainly be THE MOST COMMUNISTIC of all COMMUNISTS that even MAO TSE TUNG won't qualify to pull this Muslim Butt Sniffer Obami Salami's rickshaw !!!!!

Slight exaggeration......mebbe.

 

[beowolfe]

This President due to a pretty inflated ego and Marxist leanings continues to try and micromanage our economy and has failed miserably. His State of the Union speech last night only confirmed that he plans on continuing to micromanage and destroy our economy further. I mean how much more Government intervention and Legislation can him and the Democrats offer up? Can't they see that they have failed miserably?

They seem to have completely lost it at his point. One day they're giving Billions in Tax Dollars to the corrupt corporate creeps and then the next day they're claiming to hate those same corrupt corporate creeps. They just can't seem to make up their minds. This is what too much Government intervention ultimately leads to. More Government micromanaging of the economy is exactly what we don't need. Haven't they done enough damage? This President needs to shove his giant ego and Marxist leanings aside and do what's right for the country. He can't continue on this incredibly destructive path he is on. I really do hope him and the Democrats figure this out before it's too late.

You can't really be THAT deluded, can you?