Can We All Now Agree That Socialism/Communism Has Failed?...

Capitalism like i said has it's flaws.. But it's the one that Creates Prosperity, it lets the little guy create business to feed his family and his employees's Family.

Only when bridled by social democracy or other inheritors of the Red standard.
Communism is the opposite. Government controls all forms of Private Business

Not quite, but nice try.
, there is no prosperity other than the Government Officials, they are the only ones getting the $.

Fail. Communism opposes a large or powerful central authority.

Do you oppose Capitalism because it requires people to work? You prefer a Form of Government that hands it out for free? or so it Promises?

Nice try, mister Herring.
I call myself a Capitalist, but a laissez faire Capitalist.

So want America to be more like Haiti?

The result of Laissez Faire is this:

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Also: Tell me.. If you want to Start a Small Buisness, let's say your selling Apples, do you think you'll create Prosperity in a Communist state? or a Capitalist state?

Neither. Your best hope is social democracy.
Have you even lived in a Communist Country? Do you know how it is being part of it? I'm going to guess no.

I'm considering relocating to Twin Oaks.
 
Our silly fixation on Cuba is so retarded. Cuba is pretty much a flaccid dictatorship at this point - not communist. It poses no threat, whatsoever to the US.
All this talk about the definition of communism, the disclaimers that communism is bad, which countries are really communist and which are not...is complete bullshit. Not a single one of the countries that are currently governed by some form of communism can compare to the US regarding freedoms and individual rights.

Name a country that you would like us to copy and I will consider buying you a one-way ticket to go live there.
 
☭proletarian☭, i'm starting to think whatever you believe in isn't even Communism, i'm gonna guess it's your own made up Awesome blossom form of Government.

I don't feel like repeating myself but, like i said, it might look better on paper, but when exercised, it does the opposite, both by the Greed of Man and the Illogic of What you believe in.

Just sayin'
 
Communism opposes a central authority??? Ahhhh ahahahahahaha

The textbook answer states that to be the case.. however it cannot be... for human nature is to provide for ones self and ones family over that of complete strangers... force and control MUST be applied for communistic or socialistic 'ideals' to be put into place in a large group of people... it is exactly WHY there will always be a ruling elite in a communist or socialist based system... people must be forced to give up the fruits of their labor to give to the lazy fucks
 
This President is a bit of a Megalomaniac and certainly does have Marxist leanings. I stand by this assessment. The man actually taught Saul Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' to college kids for God's sake. He does follow Alinsky's rules with absolute obedience. In fact most of today's Democrats follow these rules with the same absolute obedience. He feels that he needs to micromanage our economy because he really does believe that only he is smart enough to fix things. This is pretty bizarre when you realize that the man has never held a real job and certainly hasn't ever run a business. His giant ego just gets in the way too much. I expect things to get a lot worse in this country as long as the inept Socialists continue to micromanage this way. What a shame.
 
Our silly fixation on Cuba is so retarded. Cuba is pretty much a flaccid dictatorship at this point - not communist. It poses no threat, whatsoever to the US.
All this talk about the definition of communism, the disclaimers that communism is bad, which countries are really communist and which are not...is complete bullshit. Not a single one of the countries that are currently governed by some form of communism can compare to the US regarding freedoms and individual rights.

Name a country that you would like us to copy and I will consider buying you a one-way ticket to go live there.
Name one sizable nation with a communist system.
 
human nature is to provide for ones self and ones family over that of complete strangers...

The ingroup can be defined in many ways.
force and control MUST be applied for communistic or socialistic 'ideals' to be put into place in a large group of people..

Wrong. Such force is contrary to the ideals. A Communist civilization can never be forced into existence. It can only emerger in its own time with the progression of society, and nudged in the right direction through wise legal and social reform (eg: civil rights laws and women's suffrage).
. it is exactly WHY there will always be a ruling elite in a communist or socialist based system...

Fail. By definition, Communism has no such class.
 
This President due to a pretty inflated ego and Marxist leanings continues to try and micromanage our economy and has failed miserably. His State of the Union speech last night only confirmed that he plans on continuing to micromanage and destroy our economy further. I mean how much more Government intervention and Legislation can him and the Democrats offer up? Can't they see that they have failed miserably?

They seem to have completely lost it at his point. One day they're giving Billions in Tax Dollars to the corrupt corporate creeps and then the next day they're claiming to hate those same corrupt corporate creeps. They just can't seem to make up their minds. This is what too much Government intervention ultimately leads to. More Government micromanaging of the economy is exactly what we don't need. Haven't they done enough damage? This President needs to shove his giant ego and Marxist leanings aside and do what's right for the country. He can't continue on this incredibly destructive path he is on. I really do hope him and the Democrats figure this out before it's too late.

Can We All Now Agree That Socialism/Communism Has Failed?...
So have the Republicans. Thank Gawd our president is NEITHER a Socialist nor a Communist.

I don't expect you to see that obama is out of the ordinary from your point of view because most liberals are communist in their nature. They repeat the same talking points and advocate for the same social policies yet they deny they are. For this reason I don't expect you to see Obama as unusual because, in your view, he appears normal.
 
☭proletarian☭;1959128 said:
human nature is to provide for ones self and ones family over that of complete strangers...

The ingroup can be defined in many ways.
force and control MUST be applied for communistic or socialistic 'ideals' to be put into place in a large group of people..

Wrong. Such force is contrary to the ideals. A Communist civilization can never be forced into existence. It can only emerger in its own time with the progression of society, and nudged in the right direction through wise legal and social reform (eg: civil rights laws and women's suffrage).
. it is exactly WHY there will always be a ruling elite in a communist or socialist based system...

Fail. By definition, Communism has no such class.

Social reform should be one of the most totalitarian concepts of all time. It says that a government must reform society to some template despite individuals within it not wanting to go in that direction. In some ways you can call Hitler's holacast 'social reform' because he wanted the german society to progress to some perfect race.
 
Communism opposes a central authority??? Ahhhh ahahahahahaha

The textbook answer states that to be the case.. however it cannot be... for human nature is to provide for ones self and ones family over that of complete strangers... force and control MUST be applied for communistic or socialistic 'ideals' to be put into place in a large group of people... it is exactly WHY there will always be a ruling elite in a communist or socialist based system... people must be forced to give up the fruits of their labor to give to the lazy fucks

Not only that they are forced to conform to some idea of the perfect society whether you want to participate or not. I prefer freedom to perfection and live as nature intended us and save heaven for the afterlife.
 
Social reform should be one of the most totalitarian concepts of all time.

You say we need more totalitarian 'reform'?


It says that a government must reform society to some template despite individuals within it not wanting to go in that direction.
So desegregation and women's suffrage were evil because they were different? Spoken like the most idiotic and totalitarian of conservatives.
In some ways you can call Hitler's holacast 'social reform'
Blimey, I've been Godwinned :eek:
 
Communism opposes a central authority??? Ahhhh ahahahahahaha

The textbook answer states that to be the case.. however it cannot be... for human nature is to provide for ones self and ones family over that of complete strangers... force and control MUST be applied for communistic or socialistic 'ideals' to be put into place in a large group of people... it is exactly WHY there will always be a ruling elite in a communist or socialist based system... people must be forced to give up the fruits of their labor to give to the lazy fucks

Not only that they are forced to conform to some idea of the perfect society whether you want to participate or not. I prefer freedom to perfection and live as nature intended us and save heaven for the afterlife.


Yet you're using a computer and probably live in a city and wear clothes...
 
They seem to have completely lost it at his point.

They haven't changed. It's just you who is finally coming to your senses.

One day they're giving Billions in Tax Dollars to the corrupt corporate creeps and then the next day they're claiming to hate those same corrupt corporate creeps.

lying politicians - where is the paradox ?

They just can't seem to make up their minds.

they've made up their mind long before the financial crisis. just how neo-cons made up their mind long before 9-11.

This is what too much Government intervention ultimately leads to. More Government micromanaging of the economy is exactly what we don't need. Haven't they done enough damage?

there can never be enough money son.

This President needs to shove his giant ego and Marxist leanings aside and do what's right for the country.

since when do politicians care about the country ?

He can't continue on this incredibly destructive path he is on.

LOL ! who's going to stop him ?
 
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