Can things appear out of nothing or nowhere?

[ding]

The only solution to the first cause conundrum is no thing. God is no thing. Some thing cannot be eternal and unchanging. No thing can.

God is nothing?

God is not a thing as in a material thing. Ergo God is no thing.

So people who say that they see god are delusional?

I think delusional would be two lesbians pretending that bringing a baby into this world is for the sake of the baby.

So how can people see god if it’s nof a material thing?

Do the opposite of what you do.

 

[froggy]

Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

So, miracles.

Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


Another argument is that God has to exist because how could the Earth just come from nothing?

Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?

King James Bible
And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm. The power of God

 

[ding]

God is not a thing as in a material thing. Ergo God is no thing.

So people who say that they see god are delusional?

I think delusional would be two lesbians pretending that bringing a baby into this world is for the sake of the baby.

Same with heteros. People have kids so they live on thru the kids and have someone to love you when u get old

I was talking to Mudda.

No wonder she calls herself Mudda.

I really like you ding. I don’t agree with you but I like you

Do me a favor and don't like me so much.

 

[sealybobo]

Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

So, miracles.

Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


Another argument is that God has to exist because how could the Earth just come from nothing?

Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?

Simple Answer:

Everything comes from something....

No matter if it is the void and two atoms smashing at a high rate of speed to spark what we now call life or man barding about Anu being their today God.

Everything comes from something and our minds are too small and primitive to wrap our thoughts around the true reality of this Universe...

Just imagine how far we are from the Center of the Universe where it all started and realize we are nothing in the eye of time...

...or, that 'time' is just in our eye.

Amen:

Oh brother

God exists. God created the universe, and God created man in his image. When your superior knowledge can disprove any of that, get back to me.

No god exists, created the universe and we aren’t made in a gods image. When you can prove that let me know.

It’s not my job to prove your invisible unicorn doesn’t exist.

You can believe whatever you want personally but are you here trying to prove a god exists? No because you can’t. He only exists in your mind just like Muslims, Mormons

 

[ding]

Simple Answer:

Everything comes from something....

No matter if it is the void and two atoms smashing at a high rate of speed to spark what we now call life or man barding about Anu being their today God.

Everything comes from something and our minds are too small and primitive to wrap our thoughts around the true reality of this Universe...

Just imagine how far we are from the Center of the Universe where it all started and realize we are nothing in the eye of time...

...or, that 'time' is just in our eye.

Amen:

Oh brother

God exists. God created the universe, and God created man in his image. When your superior knowledge can disprove any of that, get back to me.

No god exists, created the universe and we aren’t made in a gods image. When you can prove that let me know.

It’s not my job to prove your invisible unicorn doesn’t exist.

You can believe whatever you want personally but are you here trying to prove a god exists? No because you can’t. He only exists in your mind just like Muslims, Mormons

You prove you believe there is everytime you come here to argue about it.

 

[LittleNipper]

The only solution to the first cause conundrum is no thing. God is no thing. Some thing cannot be eternal and unchanging. No thing can.

God is nothing?

God is not a thing as in a material thing. Ergo God is no thing.

So people who say that they see god are delusional?

Jesus is the visible being of a group. The other two beings are invisible. Jesus Himself admitted that no one has seen GOD. Now, that may mean GOD in HIS total triune glory. The Bible informs us that Christ emptied HIMSELF to walk among man.

Who asked him to?

Does an artist need to ask permission to create? Jesus also created the Universe.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.” – John 1:1-3

“He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.” – John 1:10

 

[hobelim]

God is nothing?

God is not a thing as in a material thing. Ergo God is no thing.

So people who say that they see god are delusional?

Jesus is the visible being of a group. The other two beings are invisible. Jesus Himself admitted that no one has seen GOD. Now, that may mean GOD in HIS total triune glory. The Bible informs us that Christ emptied HIMSELF to walk among man.

Who asked him to?

Does an artist need to ask permission to create? Jesus also created the Universe.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.” – John 1:1-3

“He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.” – John 1:10

In the beginning was logos, (the word) and logos was with Ho Theos, (God), and logos was theos, (godlike or like God.)

Theos without the definite article 'Ho' before it just means "like God".


So the correct translation is "the word was with God and the word was like God.."


Jesus bringing to light the hidden teaching in the law was exactly like the creation of heaven and earth "in the beginning" when divine light from God caused a division between heavenly and earthly realms of conscious existence through law that teaches people to differentiate between clean and unclean, true and false, good and evil, light and darkness, life and death...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

So, miracles.

Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


Another argument is that God has to exist because how could the Earth just come from nothing?

Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?

You know that something appearing from nothing is perfectly in line with how the universe works

 

[hobelim]

Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

So, miracles.

Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


Another argument is that God has to exist because how could the Earth just come from nothing?

Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?

According to astrophysical philosophy, the big bang happened out of nowhere.

So whether you believe in the big bang or in God, something had to appear out of nothing.

That is not accurate. If all the matter and energy in the universe was the result of a big bang, everything in the universe was already there in some form before it exploded and expanded into its current form.

 

[hobelim]

The only solution to the first cause conundrum is no thing. God is no thing. Some thing cannot be eternal and unchanging. No thing can.

God is nothing?

God is not a thing as in a material thing. Ergo God is no thing.

So people who say that they see god are delusional?

I think delusional would be two lesbians pretending that bringing a baby into this world is for the sake of the baby.

So how can people see god if it’s nof a material thing?

How do you see anything at all in your mind when you dream if your eyes are closed and nothing is materially there?

When Jesus healed the blind man he wrote something on the ground, put spit and mud in his eyes, and then asked him what he saw..First he saw trees, then, after Jesus told him to take a harder look, he saw men.

Jesus was teaching the man that trees in scripture are symbolic of men.

It was a healing of perception and not sight.


Whether from afar or close enough to hear his words, one can only perceive the living God with a pure mind.

 

[hobelim]

The only solution to the first cause conundrum is no thing. God is no thing. Some thing cannot be eternal and unchanging. No thing can.

God is nothing?

God is not a thing as in a material thing. Ergo God is no thing.

So people who say that they see god are delusional?

I think delusional would be two lesbians pretending that bringing a baby into this world is for the sake of the baby.

So how can people see god if it’s nof a material thing?

How do you see anything at all in your mind when you dream if your eyes are closed and nothing is materially there?

When Jesus healed the blind man he wrote something on the ground, put spit and mud in his eyes, and then asked him what he saw..First he saw trees, then, after Jesus told him to take a harder look, he saw men.

Jesus was teaching the man how to use his brain to understand that trees in scripture are symbolic of men.

It was a healing of perception and not sight.


Whether from afar or close enough to hear his words, one can only perceive the living God with a pure mind.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

So, miracles.

Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


Another argument is that God has to exist because how could the Earth just come from nothing?

Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?

You know that something appearing from nothing is perfectly in line with how the universe works

Really? How's that?

 

[hobelim]

Different principles of proof my ass. There was nothing supernatural about the story of the multiplication of the loaves.

Anyone who thinks that the story is about Jesus poofing fish sandwiches out of thin air has been diverted by superstitious archaic lore into living in denial of reality without any understanding of what the story is actually about much less the power of God.

You might as well put a bag over your head and go for a jog in a mine field.

See, you don't have the language, logic, or symbols to redefine the story as something it was not.

Thats silly. I am not trying to redefine the story as something that it was not. I am revealing what the story is actually about. Teaching is the subject, not feeding a large crowd. They weren't following Jesus around for sandwiches. Duh.

Five loaves and two fish add up to seven, the exact number of disciples that Jesus had at that point. Bread is symbolic of teaching, fish is a well known metaphor for a follower of Jesus. !2 baskets full of uneaten pieces represents the twelve disciples that Jesus ended up with. A miracle!

"When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd. So he began teaching them many things. " Mark 6:34

When the disciples said it was getting late,the crowd was hungry, and they were in the middle of nowhere Jesus told them to "feed them yourselves."

Then he took the five loaves and two fish and sent them out to teach the crowd in groups of fifty what they had already learned from Jesus...


There is nothing mysterious or supernatural about the story at all..Without adding or subtracting or changing a single word I have shown you a hidden story that conforms to actual reality.


This"miracle" is one of the seals placed on scripture that prevents people from even looking at what was written inside..It is not and never was a story about a supernatural demonstration of divine power over reality.

The seal has been broken..Take a another closer look and see what else has been hidden and buried.

Or continue to profess to really, really, really, REALLY believe in magical bullshit and make a fool out of yourself.



"Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost. Why spend money on what is not bread, and your labor on what does not satisfy? Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good, and you will delight in the richest of fare." Isaiah 55:1

Then again it's about interpretation.

You're saying that the Bible is made up of stories and that we shouldn't trust the Bible as a historical source.

Others disagree, and I guess it would be the others that I'm directing this at.

I am saying that in scripture the words are figurative the subjects hidden and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. Any story in scripture that contradicts what everyone has known to be true about reality since they were in grade school is like a giant X on a treasure map marking a place where something of great value was buried and hidden.

A person has to apply their intelligence rationally to decipher the figurative language used in those miraculous stories to know and understand what they are actually about, the hidden subject presented as a fantastical historical event.

For instance, the bodily ascension of Jesus into Heaven could be a 100% historically accurate eyewitness account of an actual event but to know and understand what actually happened, what they actually saw and reported, a person would have to think deeply enough to find a way to interpret the words in a way that conforms to actual reality.

There are many irrational ways to interpret the stories that lead to destruction, only one way that leads to life.


"The kingdom of Heaven is like buried treasure lying hidden in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


If you look and look and keep on looking, you will find it.

Or the point being, you can see whatever you like in the Bible, as long as you stare at an ice cream long enough.

like I said.

There are many irrational ways to interpret the stories that lead to confusion, mental illness, death, destruction... only one rational way to interpret scripture that leads to comprehension, good mental health and life without end.

 

[candycorn]

Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

So, miracles.

Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


Another argument is that God has to exist because
how could the Earth just come from nothing?

Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?

Not to introduce politics into it but if you believe Trump supporters we have an attorney enter a guilty plea to a crime that doesn’t exist so I suppose it can if you’re a fan of the President.

As for myself, I see no evidence of something physical appearing out of nowhere. Can it happen in the mind…the body…yes. Is there always a known scientific causation for it? No.

 

[frigidweirdo]

See, you don't have the language, logic, or symbols to redefine the story as something it was not.

Thats silly. I am not trying to redefine the story as something that it was not. I am revealing what the story is actually about. Teaching is the subject, not feeding a large crowd. They weren't following Jesus around for sandwiches. Duh.

Five loaves and two fish add up to seven, the exact number of disciples that Jesus had at that point. Bread is symbolic of teaching, fish is a well known metaphor for a follower of Jesus. !2 baskets full of uneaten pieces represents the twelve disciples that Jesus ended up with. A miracle!

"When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd. So he began teaching them many things. " Mark 6:34

When the disciples said it was getting late,the crowd was hungry, and they were in the middle of nowhere Jesus told them to "feed them yourselves."

Then he took the five loaves and two fish and sent them out to teach the crowd in groups of fifty what they had already learned from Jesus...


There is nothing mysterious or supernatural about the story at all..Without adding or subtracting or changing a single word I have shown you a hidden story that conforms to actual reality.


This"miracle" is one of the seals placed on scripture that prevents people from even looking at what was written inside..It is not and never was a story about a supernatural demonstration of divine power over reality.

The seal has been broken..Take a another closer look and see what else has been hidden and buried.

Or continue to profess to really, really, really, REALLY believe in magical bullshit and make a fool out of yourself.



"Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost. Why spend money on what is not bread, and your labor on what does not satisfy? Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good, and you will delight in the richest of fare." Isaiah 55:1

Then again it's about interpretation.

You're saying that the Bible is made up of stories and that we shouldn't trust the Bible as a historical source.

Others disagree, and I guess it would be the others that I'm directing this at.

I am saying that in scripture the words are figurative the subjects hidden and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. Any story in scripture that contradicts what everyone has known to be true about reality since they were in grade school is like a giant X on a treasure map marking a place where something of great value was buried and hidden.

A person has to apply their intelligence rationally to decipher the figurative language used in those miraculous stories to know and understand what they are actually about, the hidden subject presented as a fantastical historical event.

For instance, the bodily ascension of Jesus into Heaven could be a 100% historically accurate eyewitness account of an actual event but to know and understand what actually happened, what they actually saw and reported, a person would have to think deeply enough to find a way to interpret the words in a way that conforms to actual reality.

There are many irrational ways to interpret the stories that lead to destruction, only one way that leads to life.


"The kingdom of Heaven is like buried treasure lying hidden in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


If you look and look and keep on looking, you will find it.

Or the point being, you can see whatever you like in the Bible, as long as you stare at an ice cream long enough.

like I said.

There are many irrational ways to interpret the stories that lead to confusion, mental illness, death, destruction... only one rational way to interpret scripture that leads to comprehension, good mental health and life without end.

And I supposed the only "rational way" is your way.

How convenient.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

So, miracles.

Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


Another argument is that God has to exist because
how could the Earth just come from nothing?

Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?

Not to introduce politics into it but if you believe Trump supporters we have an attorney enter a guilty plea to a crime that doesn’t exist so I suppose it can if you’re a fan of the President.

As for myself, I see no evidence of something physical appearing out of nowhere. Can it happen in the mind…the body…yes. Is there always a known scientific causation for it? No.

Ah, evidence. That thing that religions don't like too much, but they'll play the game and make up evidence for things.

 

[hobelim]

Thats silly. I am not trying to redefine the story as something that it was not. I am revealing what the story is actually about. Teaching is the subject, not feeding a large crowd. They weren't following Jesus around for sandwiches. Duh.

Five loaves and two fish add up to seven, the exact number of disciples that Jesus had at that point. Bread is symbolic of teaching, fish is a well known metaphor for a follower of Jesus. !2 baskets full of uneaten pieces represents the twelve disciples that Jesus ended up with. A miracle!

"When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd. So he began teaching them many things. " Mark 6:34

When the disciples said it was getting late,the crowd was hungry, and they were in the middle of nowhere Jesus told them to "feed them yourselves."

Then he took the five loaves and two fish and sent them out to teach the crowd in groups of fifty what they had already learned from Jesus...


There is nothing mysterious or supernatural about the story at all..Without adding or subtracting or changing a single word I have shown you a hidden story that conforms to actual reality.


This"miracle" is one of the seals placed on scripture that prevents people from even looking at what was written inside..It is not and never was a story about a supernatural demonstration of divine power over reality.

The seal has been broken..Take a another closer look and see what else has been hidden and buried.

Or continue to profess to really, really, really, REALLY believe in magical bullshit and make a fool out of yourself.



"Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost. Why spend money on what is not bread, and your labor on what does not satisfy? Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good, and you will delight in the richest of fare." Isaiah 55:1

Then again it's about interpretation.

You're saying that the Bible is made up of stories and that we shouldn't trust the Bible as a historical source.

Others disagree, and I guess it would be the others that I'm directing this at.

I am saying that in scripture the words are figurative the subjects hidden and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. Any story in scripture that contradicts what everyone has known to be true about reality since they were in grade school is like a giant X on a treasure map marking a place where something of great value was buried and hidden.

A person has to apply their intelligence rationally to decipher the figurative language used in those miraculous stories to know and understand what they are actually about, the hidden subject presented as a fantastical historical event.

For instance, the bodily ascension of Jesus into Heaven could be a 100% historically accurate eyewitness account of an actual event but to know and understand what actually happened, what they actually saw and reported, a person would have to think deeply enough to find a way to interpret the words in a way that conforms to actual reality.

There are many irrational ways to interpret the stories that lead to destruction, only one way that leads to life.


"The kingdom of Heaven is like buried treasure lying hidden in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


If you look and look and keep on looking, you will find it.

Or the point being, you can see whatever you like in the Bible, as long as you stare at an ice cream long enough.

like I said.

There are many irrational ways to interpret the stories that lead to confusion, mental illness, death, destruction... only one rational way to interpret scripture that leads to comprehension, good mental health and life without end.

And I supposed the only "rational way" is your way.

How convenient.

Yes, my way.

The only way that conforms to and is confirmed by actual reality.

If you don't believe me you can look it up..

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

So, miracles.

Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


Another argument is that God has to exist because how could the Earth just come from nothing?

Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?

You know that something appearing from nothing is perfectly in line with how the universe works

Really? How's that?

Many years ago when I was in college, I had a cop appear out of nowhere. I ended badly.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Then again it's about interpretation.

You're saying that the Bible is made up of stories and that we shouldn't trust the Bible as a historical source.

Others disagree, and I guess it would be the others that I'm directing this at.

I am saying that in scripture the words are figurative the subjects hidden and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used. Any story in scripture that contradicts what everyone has known to be true about reality since they were in grade school is like a giant X on a treasure map marking a place where something of great value was buried and hidden.

A person has to apply their intelligence rationally to decipher the figurative language used in those miraculous stories to know and understand what they are actually about, the hidden subject presented as a fantastical historical event.

For instance, the bodily ascension of Jesus into Heaven could be a 100% historically accurate eyewitness account of an actual event but to know and understand what actually happened, what they actually saw and reported, a person would have to think deeply enough to find a way to interpret the words in a way that conforms to actual reality.

There are many irrational ways to interpret the stories that lead to destruction, only one way that leads to life.


"The kingdom of Heaven is like buried treasure lying hidden in a field. The man who found it, buried it again."


If you look and look and keep on looking, you will find it.

Or the point being, you can see whatever you like in the Bible, as long as you stare at an ice cream long enough.

like I said.

There are many irrational ways to interpret the stories that lead to confusion, mental illness, death, destruction... only one rational way to interpret scripture that leads to comprehension, good mental health and life without end.

And I supposed the only "rational way" is your way.

How convenient.

Yes, my way.

The only way that conforms to and is confirmed by actual reality.

If you don't believe me you can look it up..

Delusions of grandeur?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Do you believe that things can appear out of nothing or out of nowhere?

So, miracles.

Jesus feeds the five thousand with five loaves and two fish.

Clearly the math doesn't add up, which implies he got something out of nowhere.

Jesus turns water into wine. Well something had to come out of nowhere to make that happen. Wine contains water, but also other stuff.

Light appears out of nowhere "let there be light."

Just some examples of something happening from nothing.


Another argument is that God has to exist because how could the Earth just come from nothing?

Well, if you believe in some of these miracles and you believe that something can appear out of nothing, then surely it could also be possible that the Earth, the universe, everything came from nothing.

Also, where did God come from? Did he also come from nothing?

Yeah the Messiah ( Obama) did...one minute he worked at jiffy lube on the south side of Chicago and the next thing I knew he was president of the United States.


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