Can the US ever be united?

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The political debate in the US seems to bitter these days....can the US ever be a united country again?

By united I don't mean that everyone would agree on everrything, but that people would accept the result of a democractic election, and see themselves as Americans first and members of a party second.

The reason this interests me is because in Europe I don't sense the same kind of division very often. It does happen - in Britain under Thatcher, perhaps France under Sakorzy or the end of the Toby Blair era in the UK - but by and large people consider themselves Finns or French or British first, and are proud of that. What party people voted for just isn't much of an issue in discussions around the water cooler.

The kind of loathing for liberalism and conservatism we see here seems almost uniquely American - why is that?
 
Yes, first we need to outsource the majority of our Progressives to countries with an economic and political philosophy more to their liking
 
The political debate in the US seems to bitter these days....can the US ever be a united country again?

By united I don't mean that everyone would agree on everrything, but that people would accept the result of a democractic election, and see themselves as Americans first and members of a party second.

The reason this interests me is because in Europe I don't sense the same kind of division very often. It does happen - in Britain under Thatcher, perhaps France under Sakorzy or the end of the Toby Blair era in the UK - but by and large people consider themselves Finns or French or British first, and are proud of that. What party people voted for just isn't much of an issue in discussions around the water cooler.

The kind of loathing for liberalism and conservatism we see here seems almost uniquely American - why is that?

What you see here is not typical...most Americans aren't nearly as invested in the conversation/debate as people who choose to hang out on a political message board. In that regard, we're the fringe. Also, I think most of us do just fine outside of this environment, and are able to interact with all of our fellow Americans in our daily lives without a problem.
 
The political debate in the US seems to bitter these days....can the US ever be a united country again?

By united I don't mean that everyone would agree on everrything, but that people would accept the result of a democractic election, and see themselves as Americans first and members of a party second.

The reason this interests me is because in Europe I don't sense the same kind of division very often. It does happen - in Britain under Thatcher, perhaps France under Sakorzy or the end of the Toby Blair era in the UK - but by and large people consider themselves Finns or French or British first, and are proud of that. What party people voted for just isn't much of an issue in discussions around the water cooler.

The kind of loathing for liberalism and conservatism we see here seems almost uniquely American - why is that?

The answer is simple. We have about 50% of the population that like the America that our founders gave us. We have about 20% of the population that wants badly to turn America into Europe. Then, we have about 30% of the population that doesn't really know the difference or even cares to learn the difference. Their main concern is their selves.

Since the future of the country is at stake, the voices get loud and the anger erupts.
 
The political debate in the US seems to bitter these days....can the US ever be a united country again?

By united I don't mean that everyone would agree on everrything, but that people would accept the result of a democractic election, and see themselves as Americans first and members of a party second.

The reason this interests me is because in Europe I don't sense the same kind of division very often. It does happen - in Britain under Thatcher, perhaps France under Sakorzy or the end of the Toby Blair era in the UK - but by and large people consider themselves Finns or French or British first, and are proud of that. What party people voted for just isn't much of an issue in discussions around the water cooler.

The kind of loathing for liberalism and conservatism we see here seems almost uniquely American - why is that?

No - so long as foreign asshole like you keep getting in our business and stirring the pot by pushing your radical European Socialism/Marxism/Communism on America.

We're not caving do your bullshit - ever. We are the bad-ass on the block called Earth. It's why we took out Hitler when the French surrendered right away. It's why we took out Saddam Hussein. It's why we took out Osama Bin Laden. And it is why we will take out the progressive Socialists/Marxists/Communists.
 
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The political debate in the US seems to bitter these days....can the US ever be a united country again?

By united I don't mean that everyone would agree on everrything, but that people would accept the result of a democractic election, and see themselves as Americans first and members of a party second.

The reason this interests me is because in Europe I don't sense the same kind of division very often. It does happen - in Britain under Thatcher, perhaps France under Sakorzy or the end of the Toby Blair era in the UK - but by and large people consider themselves Finns or French or British first, and are proud of that. What party people voted for just isn't much of an issue in discussions around the water cooler.

The kind of loathing for liberalism and conservatism we see here seems almost uniquely American - why is that?
Let's see, every four or eight years the US has a peaceful transfer of power (different president), the acceptance of a republic form of government. I'm unsure why you think differently.

You question if the US citizens are united beyond party politics? Seriously? Did you see how united the people became on 09/12/2001?
 
What you see here is not typical...most Americans aren't nearly as invested in the conversation/debate as people who choose to hang out on a political message board. In that regard, we're the fringe. Also, I think most of us do just fine outside of this environment, and are able to interact with all of our fellow Americans in our daily lives without a problem.

Yes, I am sure that is true, that is a good point.

But people must talk about this stuff in the lunch room at work, no?
 
Eventually, the Republican Party will be more than just "white". Then we will see progress.
 
Let's see, every four or eight years the US has a peaceful transfer of power (different president), the acceptance of a republic form of government. I'm unsure why you think differently.

I don't.

I'm unsure why you don't understand the thread concept.
 
What you see here is not typical...most Americans aren't nearly as invested in the conversation/debate as people who choose to hang out on a political message board. In that regard, we're the fringe. Also, I think most of us do just fine outside of this environment, and are able to interact with all of our fellow Americans in our daily lives without a problem.

Yes, I am sure that is true, that is a good point.

But people must talk about this stuff in the lunch room at work, no?

Not so much...which is perhaps what draws some of us here, since it can be an outlet of sorts.
 
The political debate in the US seems to bitter these days....can the US ever be a united country again?

By united I don't mean that everyone would agree on everrything, but that people would accept the result of a democractic election, and see themselves as Americans first and members of a party second.

The reason this interests me is because in Europe I don't sense the same kind of division very often. It does happen - in Britain under Thatcher, perhaps France under Sakorzy or the end of the Toby Blair era in the UK - but by and large people consider themselves Finns or French or British first, and are proud of that. What party people voted for just isn't much of an issue in discussions around the water cooler.

The kind of loathing for liberalism and conservatism we see here seems almost uniquely American - why is that?

Americans for the most part are apolitical.

It’s actually a very small percentage of the population at ‘war’ with each other. 24/7 cable news, talk radio, and message boards make it seem a lot worse than it really is.
 
The political debate in the US seems to bitter these days....can the US ever be a united country again?

By united I don't mean that everyone would agree on everrything, but that people would accept the result of a democractic election, and see themselves as Americans first and members of a party second.

The reason this interests me is because in Europe I don't sense the same kind of division very often. It does happen - in Britain under Thatcher, perhaps France under Sakorzy or the end of the Toby Blair era in the UK - but by and large people consider themselves Finns or French or British first, and are proud of that. What party people voted for just isn't much of an issue in discussions around the water cooler.

The kind of loathing for liberalism and conservatism we see here seems almost uniquely American - why is that?

No - so long as foreign asshole like you keep getting in our business and stirring the pot by pushing your radical European Socialism/Marxism/Communism on America.

We're not caving do your bullshit - ever. We are the bad-ass on the block called Earth. It's why we took out Hitler when the French surrendered right away. It's why we took out Saddam Hussein. It's why we took out Osama Bin Laden. And it is why we will take out the progressive Socialists/Marxists/Communists.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Obama got em not Bush how fitting oh wait you right wingers try and twist it any which way any way but to give credit where credit is due. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
No - so long as foreign asshole like you keep getting in our business and stirring the pot by pushing your radical European Socialism/Marxism/Communism on America.

Oh, absolutely - I am sitting here right now wearing my Soviet military uniform and singing 'Keep The Ref Flag Flying'.

Absolutely wonderful post, Rottie, I really snorted coffee through my nose laughing when I read this.

btw. Did you know my country defeated the USSR on the battlefield. Did yours?
 
Let's see, every four or eight years the US has a peaceful transfer of power (different president), the acceptance of a republic form of government. I'm unsure why you think differently.

I don't.

I'm unsure why you don't understand the thread concept.

Why did you ignore the other half of what I said?
Here, let me remind you.
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Let's see, every four or eight years the US has a peaceful transfer of power (different president), the acceptance of a republic form of government. I'm unsure why you think differently.

You question if the US citizens are united beyond party politics? Seriously? Did you see how united the people became on 09/12/2001?
Looking at that, I certainly did address your OP with an understanding that you seem to want to pretend didn't happen.
Don't dodge, shuck and jive like that, it makes you look bad.
 
Americans for the most part are apolitical.

It’s actually a very small percentage of the population at ‘war’ with each other. 24/7 cable news, talk radio, and message boards make it seem a lot worse than it really is.

Really?

Is that true?

I don't know, but I am interested if others agree. It always SEEMS so political to me.
 
The answer is simple. We have about 50% of the population that like the America that our founders gave us. We have about 20% of the population that wants badly to turn America into Europe. Then, we have about 30% of the population that doesn't really know the difference or even cares to learn the difference. Their main concern is their selves.

Since the future of the country is at stake, the voices get loud and the anger erupts.

I agree there are very different visions of America on offer from different voices.

I totally get that.

But I think both sides exaggerate what the other side actually want.

For instance, I don't hear many Democrats calling for things which would be REALLY European, e.g.

- free abortion on demand
- free and universal healthcare
- free and universal education, including university

Some would support this, but I don't see these as Democrat policies.
 
The political debate in the US seems to bitter these days....can the US ever be a united country again?

By united I don't mean that everyone would agree on everrything, but that people would accept the result of a democractic election, and see themselves as Americans first and members of a party second.

The reason this interests me is because in Europe I don't sense the same kind of division very often. It does happen - in Britain under Thatcher, perhaps France under Sakorzy or the end of the Toby Blair era in the UK - but by and large people consider themselves Finns or French or British first, and are proud of that. What party people voted for just isn't much of an issue in discussions around the water cooler.

The kind of loathing for liberalism and conservatism we see here seems almost uniquely American - why is that?

First of all Americans are a diverse culture and a lot more friendly and democratic and even more tolerant than you communists imagine from Ho-Chi-Minh city. Don't judge us by nut case so-called reporters like Chris Matthews and criminals like Dan Rather. Americans are actually a rather nice laid back people and guess what? We are tolerant of the results of elections.
 
We ARE, read and LEARN about other nations for goodness sake. The differences between our candidates are minimal; despite the overblown rhetoric, neither of the two parties proposes any fundamental alteration of our system of government. Refusing to see the world outside your local Wal Mart leads to inane comments like the OP. The US RECENTLY survived one of the lowest in our history, GWB, we will survive Obama again OR Romney.
 
The US is always united but we are still humans ad have our own thoughts and views and opinions and we voice those. Doesn't make it right or wrong and doesn't mean we are not united. Have you even looked at our history say after pearl? Or after 9/11? We have and will always be united.
 

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