Can talking heads be civil?

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    Has American politics always been so polarized or is my perspective skewed. It seems as though politicians (or political commentators) are less civil today than they have ever been. Does someone's having a negative opinion about the president's foreign policy make that person "Anti-American"? Does that person hate America? Does someone with even a slightly liberal perspective have a mental disorder? Is that person committing treason if he says that he disagrees with the president?

    Final question: Is there such a thing as a political talk show host who is also a moderate?

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    Money rules and they have figured out that inflammatory "us vs. them" rhetoric is more profitable than reasonable discourse. Then the people who are easily influenced by the media carry it on in message boards or conversations because they don't realize they've been hoodwinked by a bunch of opportunistic pseudo-journalists and greedy media outlets. In another generation or less Americans won't understand that people who do not agree with them are not necessarily the enemy.
     
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    Disagreeing is fine. Putting political correctness above american safety is antiamerican.
     
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    Daily Kos, Al Franken, Molly Irvins and Laura Flanders are real civil! It's not our problem that there are more successful conservatives than liberals. It's all the message.
     
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    Commentators are hard left and hard right. In the center you get ran over by the both of them. Remember, the press controls the flow of generalized info, to include the rushes and air americas. If the press is playing to ratings is it any wonder that each press release is as inflammatory as possible.

    Disagreement with the president isn't treason.
     
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    Fits pretty well:

    Oh yeah, many links to the 'civil' left:

    http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/18700

     
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    I think where you have gotten off on the wrong foot, Matt, is in the fact that you beginning statement seems to imply that the right wing is to blame for the negative tone of politics today. You give examples of people who disagree with the Bush Administration being labled as anti-American...yet give no examples of people who support the Bush Adminstration being labled as fundamental Christian Conservative brown-shirts. The knife cuts both ways.

    For every Rush Limbaugh there is a Michael Moore. Limbaugh is known to be an ardent right-winger, but you didn't see him sitting in a place of honor at the Republican National Convention...Moore however, who has stated publically that Americans are the stupidest people on earth, that if the airplanes that were crashed on 9/11 had been full of black people the attack never would have been successful, and who likes to use footage of US soldiers funerals in his films without family permission...was seated next to a former US president at the Democratic National Convention.

    I think that there are negative people and positive people on both sides of the political spectrum. In my opinion, the negative people on the left get a pass on their idiocy far more frequently than those on the right...but that is just my opinion.

    As to your questions. No, true liberalism is not a mental disorder...however I do wonder about women who proudly write articles about aborting their babies because they don't want to buy big jars of mayonaise or people who say they are going to throw up or blackout because a man had the audacity to suggest that there might be biological reasons why women don't reach the same levels of success in the areas of math and sciences.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173730/posts
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    Is a person committing treason if they disagree with the President? No, of course not. One of the most wonderful things about this nation is that we are allowed to criticize the President, the country, our senators, etc, without having to worry that our children will be picked up in the middle of the night and stung with wasps until we comply...like Saddam liked to do.

    However when someone says publically that throwing grenades into officers tents in Iraq is patriotic...youre getting pretty damn close to treason. You are encouraging and supporting violence directed at our troops...that is aid and comfort to our enemies.

    As far as political commentators that are moderate? I don't think you'd know one if you saw one...and that isn't a bust on you. For example...you would probably list Bill O'Reilly as horribly right-wing...however he has busted on Bush ardently for his border policies and if you watched his coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans against John Kerry you would know that he never gave an impression of believing a word they said. He gets mail frequently that accuses him of being too right-wing, too left wing, too anti-Bush, too pro-Bush...all about the same evenings show...

    I consider myself a moderate...but many people would disagree with me...I think that any moderate commentators are immediately pegged either by the network they are on or because they once said that they supported or were against one issue or person...thats enough now to label someone as a liberal or conservative for ever.
     
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    The difference here is that Moore seems to be a true believer whereas Limbaugh is more of an entertainer/comedian type.
     
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    No it hasnt always been this polarized. And yes politicians are less civilized today. So how about you start complaining to Teddy Kennedy and other Democrats to stop with the BS.

    Undermining America during a time of War would make you anti american. Always speaking out against what the American people do would make you anti American. When your rhetoric helps America's enemies there is a pretty good chance that you hate America. America is not the enemy of the world. At this point of time its one of the best hopes for the world.

    Hell no. How on earth can you be a political talk show host if you dont take positions and dont have core values? How on earth can you be a political talk show host if you cant articulate your points? or are inconsistant with your view? let's be reasonable here. you either on one side of the road or the other. If you try to play the middle youll get squashed.
     
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    Please. The difference is Moore has a stick up his butt and uses nothing but propaganda while Rush uses comedy and logic. Rush tries to make people think. Moore uses sensationalism.

    I suppose Reagan wasnt a true believer because he tried to make people laugh. However, I dont think Moore believes in anything but Hambugers.
     

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