Can South America Become Great?

[sealybobo]

Free Trade agreements help poor countries and hurt modern countries. In their mission statements they say that their goals are to end world poverty. The only way for that to happen is for the poor countries wage standards to eventually go up, while the modern countries wage standards go down. Meeting in equallibrium somewhere down the road.....................

Meaning we get the shaft, while Mexico gets the boom.
There is no doubt that are manufacturing jobs in this country have been severely hurt by these deals.
It is lowering our jobs, and hurting the American worker so big business can haul ass and take advantage of cheap labor and sell the products back here..............And they continue to do so as more and more jobs migrate to the 3rd World.

TPP is NAFTA on Steroids....................and guarantees we get fucked again.

Maybe like my grandparents picked up and moved here from greece one day you'll be sneaking across the border into mexico.

Doubtful. We can buy tacos here already.

Your point............................Are you for or against Free Trade and the loss of jobs that go with it....................But hey man, we get Chinese crap stuff for cheap now. ECONOMICS 101........it's basic............how are you going to spend all that extra money on cheaper goods man................So says the ones pushing for it............as they ignore the lost jobs in this country. Are you one of those people...........

I'm not an isolationist but free trade is inevitable. In the future there won't be poor nations I hope. They will unionize.

You make a good point. We already buy our shit from china. Now you are complaining? Who'd you vote for in 1988? Cause the GOP and bush 1 made NAFTA. Clinton just signed it.

Every country protected their vital industries except America why? Because American workers make too much.

Every President alive supported NAFTA. They all showed up to offer support for Free Trade. And we have displaced millions of workers over time as a result, and lowered wage standards as a result.

I'm very aware the GOP supports Free trade agreements....................and I've NEVER BEEN ON BOARD with them. I've argued against it since NAFTA.

It's NOT ALL FREE TRADE...........The term is BS under the WTO as tariffs still apply under the WTO. Countries like China hose us over by using taxes like the VAT, to substitute for tariffs.................and use currency manipulation to increase their exports.........not to mention the disputes with subsidizing their products that get sold over here..........and the WTO pretty much lets them get away with it. Given their FAVORED STATUS on the WTO rules for tariffs on products.

aka they are fucking us and we don't even get a reach around. In the past we dealt directly with them and other countries and didn't use foreign entities to decide our fate on trade..................and when unfair policies came up we threw up walls to make them come to the table over trade.

I can't argue.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Free Trade agreements help poor countries and hurt modern countries. In their mission statements they say that their goals are to end world poverty. The only way for that to happen is for the poor countries wage standards to eventually go up, while the modern countries wage standards go down. Meeting in equallibrium somewhere down the road.....................

Meaning we get the shaft, while Mexico gets the boom.
There is no doubt that are manufacturing jobs in this country have been severely hurt by these deals.
It is lowering our jobs, and hurting the American worker so big business can haul ass and take advantage of cheap labor and sell the products back here..............And they continue to do so as more and more jobs migrate to the 3rd World.

TPP is NAFTA on Steroids....................and guarantees we get fucked again.

Hey, if you go bomb those countries and put them back a few decades, it means they'll never get decent wages, it'll also mean you get cheap stuff from those countries meaning your money goes further.
Hasn't that been US policy for a long time now?

If you mean outsourcing of jobs..........well yeah.......take a look at the Trade deficits reported by Sessions in the article posted.
Your money goes further................tell that to the displaced workers from the cuts here to provide jobs there...........

Trump brought up a 1 Billion dollar deal with Ford. They are building a 1 Billion dollar plant in Mexico............How is that good for the American worker.............................It's not, nor is the outsourcing of jobs.

Looked at the labor participation rate................but it's ok the manipulated unemployment rate just doesn't count the ones dropped out of the labor force................

We are getting our asses handed to us by the likes of China and Mexico unless you like cheap Chinese products........That needs to change if we want to grow jobs here instead of abroad. But that will not happen, they will displace more with the TPP.

This is how things are funny. Not funny haha, funny they stink.

The US says that Capitalism is the way forwards, along with democracy. It goes around the world telling countries to be capitalist countries. It doesn't do this for the benefit of the countries it wants to be capitalist. It does it for its own benefit.

Take Bolivia. The World Bank went to Bolivia and said "we'll give you some money if you privatize industries". So Bolivia, for some reason, said yes. They privatized the water industry, this led to 25% of people in La Paz not having clean water, something essential to life.
Two companies took over the water supply. One was a French company (Suez) the other by Biwater and Bechtel (British and American). This happened in 1999. They didn't last that long, in 2005 they were terminated.

However the premise is that foreign companies go in, buy up, increase costs, reduce the wages for the workers, reduce coverage for the people, and all profits leave the country. Nothing benefits the host country, in this case Bolivia.

Water supply and sanitation in Bolivia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Bolivia Food Water Watch

"In the late 1990s, the World Bank forced Bolivia to privatize the public water system of its third-largest city, Cochabamba, by threatening to withhold debt relief and other development assistance. In a process with just one bidder, U.S.-based Bechtel was granted a 40-year lease to take over Cochabamba‚ water through a subsidiary called Aguas del Tunari."

Another example is the dairy industry. Same thing happened, privatization, bought up by a foreign company, products cost more, farmers received less, profits left the country, benefiting the rich countries, like the USA.

However to change the nature of the argument a little here. The US sees outsourcing. Hardly surprising, and why people are complaining about it I don't know. It happens to be a problem because of the incompetence of the US govt and state govts, especially in regards to education.

In other first world countries they realised that education is really important. What's the difference between first world and third world countries? Simple, third world countries earn less money. So, a first world country should be looking at high tech jobs. This means you need an educated workforce to take these jobs so that lower waged jobs can be outsourced and those people earning good wages buy products cheaply from countries which pay workers less.

However the US hasn't done that, and is suffering the consequences. However the political elite isn't telling you to get angry that they're incompetent. they're simply fighting over outsourcing.

To link the two parts together. The US demands Capitalism when screwing over other countries like Bolivia, and demands a reduction in capitalism when it screws the US over. Overall the US comes out better off.

However the future for a country which can't get rid of the dollar bill because govt is so inept, and so locked away in corruption (that has been legitimised), and this leads to education not meeting the needs of the country to deal with the increase in China's development and education (they're producing highly educated robots, no creativity, no thought process by can work like mules and do high level jobs) and other countries rising up a little, the US is on the way down massively.

You can see from a site like this how little in the way of thought process is going on politically.

 

[eagle1462010]

House OKs Trade Bill To Give Help To Displaced Workers - Bloomberg Politics

The U.S. House of Representatives passed a $450 million worker-assistance measure Thursday that Democrats earlier helped defeat, sending it to President Barack Obama for his signature as part of a package of trade legislation.

The vote was 286-138. The Trade Adjustment Assistance legislation continues a program that helps U.S. workers who lose their jobs as a result of international trade pacts.

“This week’s votes represent a much-needed win for hardworking American families,” Obama said in an e-mailed statement. He said he will sign the trade bills as soon as they reach his desk.

“We stand ready to go to the next step.”

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi
“We stand ready to go to the next step,” said Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California on the House floor before the vote. She said Democratic efforts have helped mobilize attention on the issues surrounding trade pacts, including the effects on U.S. workers and the environment.

She said Democrats will be ready to shine a “bright spotlight” on the details of trade pacts as they come before Congress.

Passage of the worker aid measure was one of the last elements of a hard-fought win by Obama to push through a trade package that is a key second-term priority, even against opposition from his party. His victory was underscored by the Senate’s final passage Wednesday of a measure giving him fast-track trade authority.


In a Nut shell. They KNOW THE DEAL WILL DISPLACE AMERICAN WORKERS. It is on purpose, as the intent is to Globalize trade and end world poverty...................They go up..................and we go down................

 

[eagle1462010]

How Would the Trans-Pacific Partnership Promote the Off-Shoring of American Jobs? 

Nearly five million American manufacturing jobs – one out of every four – have been lost since implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the World Trade Organization (WTO). Since NAFTA, over 60,000 American manufacturing facilities have closed. The TPP would replicate and expand on the NAFTA model.  A leaked text revealed that TPP is slated to include the extreme foreign investor privileges that help corporations offshore more U.S. jobs to low-wage countries. These NAFTA-style terms provide special benefits to firms that relocate abroad and eliminate many of the usual risks that make firms think twice about moving to low-wage countries.  Under the NAFTA model, U.S. manufacturing imports have soared while growth of U.S. manufacturing exports has slowed.  TPP includes Vietnam, a new favorite for corporations’ job off-shoring, because wages there are even lower than China.  Already, the growth of the U.S. trade deficit with China, since China entered the WTO in 2001, has had a devastating effect on U.S. workers and the U.S. economy. Between 2001 and 2011, 2.7 million U.S. jobs were lost or displaced. Devastation of U.S. manufacturing drives down wages, erodes the tax base and heightens inequality. Despite major gains in American worker productivity, real median wages hover at 1979 levels. Government data shows that two out of every five displaced manufacturing workers who were rehired in 2012 experienced wage reductions of more than 20 percent. With the loss of manufacturing, tax revenue that could have funded social services or local infrastructure projects has declined, while displaced workers have turned to ever-shrinking welfare programs. This has resulted in the virtual collapse of some local governments in areas hardest hit
http://www.exposethetpp.org/TPP_and_Off-Shoring_of_American_Jobs.pdf