can someone prove that god exists?

[Finnguy]

They call it faith for a reason because its just that, faith. In order to be faithful, you have to believe.

So, faith comes before reason to you?

No, I don't consider my self very religious. Reason comes first.

 

[uscitizen]

Fear of eternal punishment is the main reason most "belief" exists.

 

[Mini 14]

No. God can be neither proved, nor disproved.

God has been proven to me.

Let's hear your argument then. I'm talking about logic here, not whether you're a believer.

I don't have "an argument."

And I've been around enough to know the futility of arguing religion. Either you know God, or you don't. I cannot prove to you that he exists, and you cannot prove to me that he doesn't.

but....

He does

 

[Sky Dancer]

They call it faith for a reason because its just that, faith. In order to be faithful, you have to believe.

So, faith comes before reason to you?

No, I don't consider my self very religious. Reason comes first.

I've never heard a reasoned argument for the existence of God.

 

[Sky Dancer]

God has been proven to me.

Let's hear your argument then. I'm talking about logic here, not whether you're a believer.

I don't have "an argument."

And I've been around enough to know the futility of arguing religion. Either you know God, or you don't. I cannot prove to you that he exists, and you cannot prove to me that he doesn't.

but....

He does

You cannot use your powers of reason to argue the existence of God? Too bad.

 

[Mini 14]

Of course everything good or beautiful is gods work and everything bad is the work of satan.

Whoever says that doesn't understand God.

And you do? Is God in your gun?

I understand God, as much as I can, yes.

I don't think God is in my gun, but I don't know. I believe he is in me, and the gun is a tool at my disposal. God is no more, and no less, in my gun than he is in my fork.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Whoever says that doesn't understand God.

And you do? Is God in your gun?

I understand God, as much as I can, yes.

I don't think God is in my gun, but I don't know. I believe he is in me, and the gun is a tool at my disposal. God is no more, and no less, in my gun than he is in my fork.

Does God talk to you? What does God tell you to do with your gun?

 

[Finnguy]

So, faith comes before reason to you?

No, I don't consider my self very religious. Reason comes first.

I've never heard a reasoned argument for the existence of God.

I never argued for his existence, I just explained that if you are religious you accept the fact that you just have to believe and accept that there will never be any evidence.

 

[Mini 14]

Let's hear your argument then. I'm talking about logic here, not whether you're a believer.

I don't have "an argument."

And I've been around enough to know the futility of arguing religion. Either you know God, or you don't. I cannot prove to you that he exists, and you cannot prove to me that he doesn't.

but....

He does

He exists in your mind. Not in mine.

In my mind, and in my world. He is real in my world.

I don't experience your world, or your mind, so I really can't say if he is there or not.

If I had to bet on it, I'd say he's there.

 

[Finnguy]

And you do? Is God in your gun?

I understand God, as much as I can, yes.

I don't think God is in my gun, but I don't know. I believe he is in me, and the gun is a tool at my disposal. God is no more, and no less, in my gun than he is in my fork.

Does God talk to you? What does God tell you to do with your gun?

Does he tell you what to do with your fork?

 

[Mini 14]

And you do? Is God in your gun?

I understand God, as much as I can, yes.

I don't think God is in my gun, but I don't know. I believe he is in me, and the gun is a tool at my disposal. God is no more, and no less, in my gun than he is in my fork.

Does God talk to you? What does God tell you to do with your gun?

God talks to me, but he's never said anything about my guns.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Fear of eternal punishment is the main reason most "belief" exists.

Eternalism--the belief in an eternal God, an eternal heaven and hell are considered in Buddhism to be one of the four extreme views that keep one from realizing enlightenment.

Nihilism--the belief that everything doesn't exist is another extreme view to be avoided.

 

[Mini 14]

I understand God, as much as I can, yes.

I don't think God is in my gun, but I don't know. I believe he is in me, and the gun is a tool at my disposal. God is no more, and no less, in my gun than he is in my fork.

Does God talk to you? What does God tell you to do with your gun?

Does he tell you what to do with your fork?

Not yet.

He may.

And if he does, I'll listen

 

[Sky Dancer]

I understand God, as much as I can, yes.

I don't think God is in my gun, but I don't know. I believe he is in me, and the gun is a tool at my disposal. God is no more, and no less, in my gun than he is in my fork.

Does God talk to you? What does God tell you to do with your gun?

God talks to me, but he's never said anything about my guns.

What does God tell you to do?

 

[westwall]

No, nor can it be proven that a God doesn't exist. Atheism is just as much a religion as deism.

Atheism is the antithesis of religion.

No, atheism is the "belief" that there is no God. It takes on "faith" that God does not exist.

Agnosticism (which I am) holds no belief in anything. We are only interested in that which can be observed and measured. Many scientists such as myself are agnostics.

 

[Sky Dancer]

No, I don't consider my self very religious. Reason comes first.

I've never heard a reasoned argument for the existence of God.

I never argued for his existence, I just explained that if you are religious you accept the fact that you just have to believe and accept that there will never be any evidence.

We see things differently in Buddhism. We're into science. For example, we can measure benefits to the body and brain from meditation. We have proof that it's beneficial. Evidence exists.

Certain physics theories prove Buddhist principle too.

 

[Sky Dancer]

No, nor can it be proven that a God doesn't exist. Atheism is just as much a religion as deism.

Atheism is the antithesis of religion.

No, atheism is the "belief" that there is no God. It takes on "faith" that God does not exist.

Agnosticism (which I am) holds no belief in anything. We are only interested in that which can be observed and measured. Many scientists such as myself are agnostics.

A theism. A means no or without, theism means God. Atheism is not a belief but a position of reason.

 

[Mini 14]

Does God talk to you? What does God tell you to do with your gun?

God talks to me, but he's never said anything about my guns.

What does God tell you to do?

He doesn't tell me "to do" anything. That is up to me.

He just reminds me of stuff every now and then.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I don't have "an argument."

And I've been around enough to know the futility of arguing religion. Either you know God, or you don't. I cannot prove to you that he exists, and you cannot prove to me that he doesn't.

but....

He does

He exists in your mind. Not in mine.

In my mind, and in my world. He is real in my world.

I don't experience your world, or your mind, so I really can't say if he is there or not.

If I had to bet on it, I'd say he's there.

No god in my world as you conceive of him. There is no savior, creator in my world.

Now, if you want to talk about suchness itself, That which cannot be imagined or described, the experience of presence, of essence or buddha nature. That's another story.

 

[Sky Dancer]

God talks to me, but he's never said anything about my guns.

What does God tell you to do?

He doesn't tell me "to do" anything. That is up to me.

He just reminds me of stuff every now and then.

He talks to you and reminds you of what stuff?