Can someone explain a legitimate argument for protecting illegal immigrants in the US?

[Wry Catcher]

They vote Democrat because the Democrats give them money, drivers licenses, and welfare benefits and that is why some protect illegal immigrants.

Grow up. A driver's license is not a passport or de facto evidence of citizenship. It is an ID, one which Identifies the holder as a non citizen. It also means the holder of the license has some driver training and understands the rules of the road.

As for welfare,

"The extent to which residents of the United States who are not U.S. citizens should be eligible for federally funded public aid has been a contentious issue since the 1990s. This issue meets at the intersection of two major policy areas: immigration policy and welfare policy. The eligibility of noncitizens for public assistance programs is based on a complex set of rules that are determined largely by the type of noncitizen in question and the nature of services being offered. Over the past 18 years, Congress has enacted significant changes in U.S. immigration policy and welfare policy. Congress has exercised oversight of revisions made by the 1996 welfare reform law (the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, P.L. 104-193)—including the rules governing noncitizen eligibility for public assistance that it established—and legislation covering programs with major restrictions on noncitizens’ eligibility (e.g., food stamps/SNAP, Medicaid)."

Link: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33809.pdf

You have a problem with this, send Boehner a letter and tell him. He and McConnell refuse to put comprehensive Immigration Reform in a bill solely for political reasons. Their base wants 'em all deported, as you likely do. The fact is to do so is fiscally irresponsible as each person is required do process, including representation by an attorney.

There is also a factor of concern to all but the most callous conservatives, the so called anchor babies, a topic which might require a repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment (read section one), and those children brought into the United States as minors who have no experience living anywhere else and in many cases speak and understand English only.

You're the one who needs to grow up! We have immigration laws and quotas in place for good reasons. Illegal immigration negates that sane policy. Why would we conservatives contact our elected officials and ask them to pass an amnesty which is exactly what CIR is rather than enforcing our immigration laws and removing the incentives for illegal aliens to remain here?



Illegal aliens gets all kinds of welfare thru their U.S. born kids. Birthright citizenship should be denied to them which is another incentive why they come here.

As for the ids they drag over our border illegally their parents shouldn't be rewarded for that by allowing them to remain here. They know the culture and language of their homeland otherwise how do you think they communicate with their parents?

This isn't being calloused nor is it a conservative vs liberal issue. This is a American law issue.

Read the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the link I provided. Then consider the cost of due process in doing what you advocate. We are a nation of laws, and it is callous to toss someone, who was born elsewhere and brought to the US as an infant, back across the border. The law requires due process and it is very expensive.

Local and state agencies do not have the standing to enforce Federal Laws. Immigration is a Federal Responsibility and speaking from experience, when we arrested a person who entered the country illegally and we notified INS (now ICE) we rarely got a return call. Thus, many non citizens would be arraigned, provided the Public Defender, tried by the District Attorney and if convicted interviewed by the Probation Officer, sentenced to probation, jailed or placed in prison all on the states dime.

"illegal aliens" get employment from businesses, big and small, and industry, they do not get TANF under normal circumstances. Get the facts, the issue is not as simple as you hope it to be.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well, it's been an hour so we can dismiss a couple of more posters as serious, informed and honest. My question is why do people believe the conservative media - radio, TV and print - and never follow Reagan's advice to verify?

 

[danielpalos]

They vote Democrat because the Democrats give them money, drivers licenses, and welfare benefits and that is why some protect illegal immigrants.

Grow up. A driver's license is not a passport or de facto evidence of citizenship. It is an ID, one which Identifies the holder as a non citizen. It also means the holder of the license has some driver training and understands the rules of the road.

As for welfare,

"The extent to which residents of the United States who are not U.S. citizens should be eligible for federally funded public aid has been a contentious issue since the 1990s. This issue meets at the intersection of two major policy areas: immigration policy and welfare policy. The eligibility of noncitizens for public assistance programs is based on a complex set of rules that are determined largely by the type of noncitizen in question and the nature of services being offered. Over the past 18 years, Congress has enacted significant changes in U.S. immigration policy and welfare policy. Congress has exercised oversight of revisions made by the 1996 welfare reform law (the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, P.L. 104-193)—including the rules governing noncitizen eligibility for public assistance that it established—and legislation covering programs with major restrictions on noncitizens’ eligibility (e.g., food stamps/SNAP, Medicaid)."

Link: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33809.pdf

You have a problem with this, send Boehner a letter and tell him. He and McConnell refuse to put comprehensive Immigration Reform in a bill solely for political reasons. Their base wants 'em all deported, as you likely do. The fact is to do so is fiscally irresponsible as each person is required do process, including representation by an attorney.

There is also a factor of concern to all but the most callous conservatives, the so called anchor babies, a topic which might require a repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment (read section one), and those children brought into the United States as minors who have no experience living anywhere else and in many cases speak and understand English only.

You're the one who needs to grow up! We have immigration laws and quotas in place for good reasons. Illegal immigration negates that sane policy. Why would we conservatives contact our elected officials and ask them to pass an amnesty which is exactly what CIR is rather than enforcing our immigration laws and removing the incentives for illegal aliens to remain here?

Illegal aliens gets all kinds of welfare thru their U.S. born kids. Birthright citizenship should be denied to them which is another incentive why they come here.

As for the ids they drag over our border illegally their parents shouldn't be rewarded for that by allowing them to remain here. They know the culture and language of their homeland otherwise how do you think they communicate with their parents?

This isn't being calloused nor is it a conservative vs liberal issue. This is a American law issue.

There really is no appeal to ignorance of our Commerce Clause in this capital matter. Why are we losing money on Commerce at our borders. Are there no Good Capitalists to be found, even on the right?

 

[danielpalos]

Well, it's been an hour so we can dismiss a couple of more posters as serious, informed and honest. My question is why do people believe the conservative media - radio, TV and print - and never follow Reagan's advice to verify?

The several States ceded their former States' sovereign right over immigration into the State in favor of a federal right over immigration into the Union since 1808.

 

[Oldglory1]

They vote Democrat because the Democrats give them money, drivers licenses, and welfare benefits and that is why some protect illegal immigrants.

Grow up. A driver's license is not a passport or de facto evidence of citizenship. It is an ID, one which Identifies the holder as a non citizen. It also means the holder of the license has some driver training and understands the rules of the road.

As for welfare,

"The extent to which residents of the United States who are not U.S. citizens should be eligible for federally funded public aid has been a contentious issue since the 1990s. This issue meets at the intersection of two major policy areas: immigration policy and welfare policy. The eligibility of noncitizens for public assistance programs is based on a complex set of rules that are determined largely by the type of noncitizen in question and the nature of services being offered. Over the past 18 years, Congress has enacted significant changes in U.S. immigration policy and welfare policy. Congress has exercised oversight of revisions made by the 1996 welfare reform law (the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, P.L. 104-193)—including the rules governing noncitizen eligibility for public assistance that it established—and legislation covering programs with major restrictions on noncitizens’ eligibility (e.g., food stamps/SNAP, Medicaid)."

Link: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33809.pdf

You have a problem with this, send Boehner a letter and tell him. He and McConnell refuse to put comprehensive Immigration Reform in a bill solely for political reasons. Their base wants 'em all deported, as you likely do. The fact is to do so is fiscally irresponsible as each person is required do process, including representation by an attorney.

There is also a factor of concern to all but the most callous conservatives, the so called anchor babies, a topic which might require a repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment (read section one), and those children brought into the United States as minors who have no experience living anywhere else and in many cases speak and understand English only.

You're the one who needs to grow up! We have immigration laws and quotas in place for good reasons. Illegal immigration negates that sane policy. Why would we conservatives contact our elected officials and ask them to pass an amnesty which is exactly what CIR is rather than enforcing our immigration laws and removing the incentives for illegal aliens to remain here?



Illegal aliens gets all kinds of welfare thru their U.S. born kids. Birthright citizenship should be denied to them which is another incentive why they come here.

As for the ids they drag over our border illegally their parents shouldn't be rewarded for that by allowing them to remain here. They know the culture and language of their homeland otherwise how do you think they communicate with their parents?

This isn't being calloused nor is it a conservative vs liberal issue. This is a American law issue.

Read the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the link I provided. Then consider the cost of due process in doing what you advocate. We are a nation of laws, and it is callous to toss someone, who was born elsewhere and brought to the US as an infant, back across the border. The law requires due process and it is very expensive.

Local and state agencies do not have the standing to enforce Federal Laws. Immigration is a Federal Responsibility and speaking from experience, when we arrested a person who entered the country illegally and we notified INS (now ICE) we rarely got a return call. Thus, many non citizens would be arraigned, provided the Public Defender, tried by the District Attorney and if convicted interviewed by the Probation Officer, sentenced to probation, jailed or placed in prison all on the states dime.

"illegal aliens" get employment from businesses, big and small, and industry, they do not get TANF under normal circumstances. Get the facts, the issue is not as simple as you hope it to be.

It's a hell of a lot more expensive to allow illegal aliens to remain here than to seek deportations for them either voluntarily or involuntarily. By not enforcing our immigration laws it just encourages more to come here. Only and utter idiot wouldn't understand that. Well if the shoe fits..........

 

[danielpalos]

They vote Democrat because the Democrats give them money, drivers licenses, and welfare benefits and that is why some protect illegal immigrants.

Grow up. A driver's license is not a passport or de facto evidence of citizenship. It is an ID, one which Identifies the holder as a non citizen. It also means the holder of the license has some driver training and understands the rules of the road.

As for welfare,

"The extent to which residents of the United States who are not U.S. citizens should be eligible for federally funded public aid has been a contentious issue since the 1990s. This issue meets at the intersection of two major policy areas: immigration policy and welfare policy. The eligibility of noncitizens for public assistance programs is based on a complex set of rules that are determined largely by the type of noncitizen in question and the nature of services being offered. Over the past 18 years, Congress has enacted significant changes in U.S. immigration policy and welfare policy. Congress has exercised oversight of revisions made by the 1996 welfare reform law (the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, P.L. 104-193)—including the rules governing noncitizen eligibility for public assistance that it established—and legislation covering programs with major restrictions on noncitizens’ eligibility (e.g., food stamps/SNAP, Medicaid)."

Link: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33809.pdf

You have a problem with this, send Boehner a letter and tell him. He and McConnell refuse to put comprehensive Immigration Reform in a bill solely for political reasons. Their base wants 'em all deported, as you likely do. The fact is to do so is fiscally irresponsible as each person is required do process, including representation by an attorney.

There is also a factor of concern to all but the most callous conservatives, the so called anchor babies, a topic which might require a repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment (read section one), and those children brought into the United States as minors who have no experience living anywhere else and in many cases speak and understand English only.

You're the one who needs to grow up! We have immigration laws and quotas in place for good reasons. Illegal immigration negates that sane policy. Why would we conservatives contact our elected officials and ask them to pass an amnesty which is exactly what CIR is rather than enforcing our immigration laws and removing the incentives for illegal aliens to remain here?



Illegal aliens gets all kinds of welfare thru their U.S. born kids. Birthright citizenship should be denied to them which is another incentive why they come here.

As for the ids they drag over our border illegally their parents shouldn't be rewarded for that by allowing them to remain here. They know the culture and language of their homeland otherwise how do you think they communicate with their parents?

This isn't being calloused nor is it a conservative vs liberal issue. This is a American law issue.

Read the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the link I provided. Then consider the cost of due process in doing what you advocate. We are a nation of laws, and it is callous to toss someone, who was born elsewhere and brought to the US as an infant, back across the border. The law requires due process and it is very expensive.

Local and state agencies do not have the standing to enforce Federal Laws. Immigration is a Federal Responsibility and speaking from experience, when we arrested a person who entered the country illegally and we notified INS (now ICE) we rarely got a return call. Thus, many non citizens would be arraigned, provided the Public Defender, tried by the District Attorney and if convicted interviewed by the Probation Officer, sentenced to probation, jailed or placed in prison all on the states dime.

"illegal aliens" get employment from businesses, big and small, and industry, they do not get TANF under normal circumstances. Get the facts, the issue is not as simple as you hope it to be.

It's a hell of a lot more expensive to allow illegal aliens to remain here than to seek deportations for them either voluntarily or involuntarily. By not enforcing our immigration laws it just encourages more to come here. Only and utter idiot wouldn't understand that. Well if the shoe fits..........

There really is no appeal to ignorance of our Commerce Clause in this capital matter. Why are we losing money on Commerce at our borders. Are there no Good Capitalists to be found, even on the right?

 

[Wry Catcher]

They vote Democrat because the Democrats give them money, drivers licenses, and welfare benefits and that is why some protect illegal immigrants.

Grow up. A driver's license is not a passport or de facto evidence of citizenship. It is an ID, one which Identifies the holder as a non citizen. It also means the holder of the license has some driver training and understands the rules of the road.

As for welfare,

"The extent to which residents of the United States who are not U.S. citizens should be eligible for federally funded public aid has been a contentious issue since the 1990s. This issue meets at the intersection of two major policy areas: immigration policy and welfare policy. The eligibility of noncitizens for public assistance programs is based on a complex set of rules that are determined largely by the type of noncitizen in question and the nature of services being offered. Over the past 18 years, Congress has enacted significant changes in U.S. immigration policy and welfare policy. Congress has exercised oversight of revisions made by the 1996 welfare reform law (the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, P.L. 104-193)—including the rules governing noncitizen eligibility for public assistance that it established—and legislation covering programs with major restrictions on noncitizens’ eligibility (e.g., food stamps/SNAP, Medicaid)."

Link: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33809.pdf

You have a problem with this, send Boehner a letter and tell him. He and McConnell refuse to put comprehensive Immigration Reform in a bill solely for political reasons. Their base wants 'em all deported, as you likely do. The fact is to do so is fiscally irresponsible as each person is required do process, including representation by an attorney.

There is also a factor of concern to all but the most callous conservatives, the so called anchor babies, a topic which might require a repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment (read section one), and those children brought into the United States as minors who have no experience living anywhere else and in many cases speak and understand English only.

You're the one who needs to grow up! We have immigration laws and quotas in place for good reasons. Illegal immigration negates that sane policy. Why would we conservatives contact our elected officials and ask them to pass an amnesty which is exactly what CIR is rather than enforcing our immigration laws and removing the incentives for illegal aliens to remain here?



Illegal aliens gets all kinds of welfare thru their U.S. born kids. Birthright citizenship should be denied to them which is another incentive why they come here.

As for the ids they drag over our border illegally their parents shouldn't be rewarded for that by allowing them to remain here. They know the culture and language of their homeland otherwise how do you think they communicate with their parents?

This isn't being calloused nor is it a conservative vs liberal issue. This is a American law issue.

Read the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the link I provided. Then consider the cost of due process in doing what you advocate. We are a nation of laws, and it is callous to toss someone, who was born elsewhere and brought to the US as an infant, back across the border. The law requires due process and it is very expensive.

Local and state agencies do not have the standing to enforce Federal Laws. Immigration is a Federal Responsibility and speaking from experience, when we arrested a person who entered the country illegally and we notified INS (now ICE) we rarely got a return call. Thus, many non citizens would be arraigned, provided the Public Defender, tried by the District Attorney and if convicted interviewed by the Probation Officer, sentenced to probation, jailed or placed in prison all on the states dime.

"illegal aliens" get employment from businesses, big and small, and industry, they do not get TANF under normal circumstances. Get the facts, the issue is not as simple as you hope it to be.

It's a hell of a lot more expensive to allow illegal aliens to remain here than to seek deportations for them either voluntarily or involuntarily. By not enforcing our immigration laws it just encourages more to come here. Only and utter idiot wouldn't understand that. Well if the shoe fits..........

First of all, fuck you and take that shoe and shove it up your ass!

That said, many of those who are here without papers work, they replace roofs, cut lawns and trees, cook in restaurants, pay sales taxes and buy goods and services. Many own homes, pay real estate and special district taxes, thus they contribute to our overall economy.

Your ignorance is even more pronounced than your bigotry, I suggest you look into the billing rate for an immigration attorney, and figure out the costs to hire administrative law judges and the number of US Deputy Attorney's needed to provide evidence, evidence collected by ICE agents, plus the clerical help, office space and the cost of detention - contracted out to local jails - all paid for by John Q Taxpayer.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why is it the conservative element on this message board are so dumb?

 

[danielpalos]

Why is it the conservative element on this message board are so dumb?

They believe they are right simply because they are on the right?

 

[Oldglory1]

They vote Democrat because the Democrats give them money, drivers licenses, and welfare benefits and that is why some protect illegal immigrants.

Grow up. A driver's license is not a passport or de facto evidence of citizenship. It is an ID, one which Identifies the holder as a non citizen. It also means the holder of the license has some driver training and understands the rules of the road.

As for welfare,

"The extent to which residents of the United States who are not U.S. citizens should be eligible for federally funded public aid has been a contentious issue since the 1990s. This issue meets at the intersection of two major policy areas: immigration policy and welfare policy. The eligibility of noncitizens for public assistance programs is based on a complex set of rules that are determined largely by the type of noncitizen in question and the nature of services being offered. Over the past 18 years, Congress has enacted significant changes in U.S. immigration policy and welfare policy. Congress has exercised oversight of revisions made by the 1996 welfare reform law (the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, P.L. 104-193)—including the rules governing noncitizen eligibility for public assistance that it established—and legislation covering programs with major restrictions on noncitizens’ eligibility (e.g., food stamps/SNAP, Medicaid)."

Link: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33809.pdf

You have a problem with this, send Boehner a letter and tell him. He and McConnell refuse to put comprehensive Immigration Reform in a bill solely for political reasons. Their base wants 'em all deported, as you likely do. The fact is to do so is fiscally irresponsible as each person is required do process, including representation by an attorney.

There is also a factor of concern to all but the most callous conservatives, the so called anchor babies, a topic which might require a repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment (read section one), and those children brought into the United States as minors who have no experience living anywhere else and in many cases speak and understand English only.

You're the one who needs to grow up! We have immigration laws and quotas in place for good reasons. Illegal immigration negates that sane policy. Why would we conservatives contact our elected officials and ask them to pass an amnesty which is exactly what CIR is rather than enforcing our immigration laws and removing the incentives for illegal aliens to remain here?



Illegal aliens gets all kinds of welfare thru their U.S. born kids. Birthright citizenship should be denied to them which is another incentive why they come here.

As for the ids they drag over our border illegally their parents shouldn't be rewarded for that by allowing them to remain here. They know the culture and language of their homeland otherwise how do you think they communicate with their parents?

This isn't being calloused nor is it a conservative vs liberal issue. This is a American law issue.

Read the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the link I provided. Then consider the cost of due process in doing what you advocate. We are a nation of laws, and it is callous to toss someone, who was born elsewhere and brought to the US as an infant, back across the border. The law requires due process and it is very expensive.

Local and state agencies do not have the standing to enforce Federal Laws. Immigration is a Federal Responsibility and speaking from experience, when we arrested a person who entered the country illegally and we notified INS (now ICE) we rarely got a return call. Thus, many non citizens would be arraigned, provided the Public Defender, tried by the District Attorney and if convicted interviewed by the Probation Officer, sentenced to probation, jailed or placed in prison all on the states dime.

"illegal aliens" get employment from businesses, big and small, and industry, they do not get TANF under normal circumstances. Get the facts, the issue is not as simple as you hope it to be.

It's a hell of a lot more expensive to allow illegal aliens to remain here than to seek deportations for them either voluntarily or involuntarily. By not enforcing our immigration laws it just encourages more to come here. Only and utter idiot wouldn't understand that. Well if the shoe fits..........

First of all, fuck you and take that shoe and shove it up your ass!

That said, many of those who are here without papers work, they replace roofs, cut lawns and trees, cook in restaurants, pay sales taxes and buy goods and services. Many own homes, pay real estate and special district taxes, thus they contribute to our overall economy.

Your ignorance is even more pronounced than your bigotry, I suggest you look into the billing rate for an immigration attorney, and figure out the costs to hire administrative law judges and the number of US Deputy Attorney's needed to provide evidence, evidence collected by ICE agents, plus the clerical help, office space and the cost of detention - contracted out to local jails - all paid for by John Q Taxpayer.

So it's bigoted not to want foreigners to violate our immigration laws, steal jobs from Americans, commit felony ID theft or income tax evasion by getting paid under the table? The jobs mentioned Americans have always been ones that they will do. Who do you think did them before the arrival of cheap, illegal labor to make the rich richer? If Americans were to get those jobs back they in turn would be buying houses, paying taxes and contributing to our economy. Why are YOU so bigoted against the American worker/taxpayer, you hypocrite! If anyone is the ignorant fool .....it's you!

There are virtually no costs in self-deportations. E-verify which will remove the job incentives and removing birthright citizenship for their kids leaves them no reason to remain here or to keep coming here illegally. With their enormous social costs we would be saving billions in tax dollars also. Even Homeland Security has said it is cheaper to deport them than to allow them to remain here. Now with all that being said welcome to my ignore list you ignorant anti-American POS!

 

[danielpalos]

Grow up. A driver's license is not a passport or de facto evidence of citizenship. It is an ID, one which Identifies the holder as a non citizen. It also means the holder of the license has some driver training and understands the rules of the road.

As for welfare,

"The extent to which residents of the United States who are not U.S. citizens should be eligible for federally funded public aid has been a contentious issue since the 1990s. This issue meets at the intersection of two major policy areas: immigration policy and welfare policy. The eligibility of noncitizens for public assistance programs is based on a complex set of rules that are determined largely by the type of noncitizen in question and the nature of services being offered. Over the past 18 years, Congress has enacted significant changes in U.S. immigration policy and welfare policy. Congress has exercised oversight of revisions made by the 1996 welfare reform law (the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, P.L. 104-193)—including the rules governing noncitizen eligibility for public assistance that it established—and legislation covering programs with major restrictions on noncitizens’ eligibility (e.g., food stamps/SNAP, Medicaid)."

Link: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33809.pdf

You have a problem with this, send Boehner a letter and tell him. He and McConnell refuse to put comprehensive Immigration Reform in a bill solely for political reasons. Their base wants 'em all deported, as you likely do. The fact is to do so is fiscally irresponsible as each person is required do process, including representation by an attorney.

There is also a factor of concern to all but the most callous conservatives, the so called anchor babies, a topic which might require a repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment (read section one), and those children brought into the United States as minors who have no experience living anywhere else and in many cases speak and understand English only.

You're the one who needs to grow up! We have immigration laws and quotas in place for good reasons. Illegal immigration negates that sane policy. Why would we conservatives contact our elected officials and ask them to pass an amnesty which is exactly what CIR is rather than enforcing our immigration laws and removing the incentives for illegal aliens to remain here?



Illegal aliens gets all kinds of welfare thru their U.S. born kids. Birthright citizenship should be denied to them which is another incentive why they come here.

As for the ids they drag over our border illegally their parents shouldn't be rewarded for that by allowing them to remain here. They know the culture and language of their homeland otherwise how do you think they communicate with their parents?

This isn't being calloused nor is it a conservative vs liberal issue. This is a American law issue.

Read the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the link I provided. Then consider the cost of due process in doing what you advocate. We are a nation of laws, and it is callous to toss someone, who was born elsewhere and brought to the US as an infant, back across the border. The law requires due process and it is very expensive.

Local and state agencies do not have the standing to enforce Federal Laws. Immigration is a Federal Responsibility and speaking from experience, when we arrested a person who entered the country illegally and we notified INS (now ICE) we rarely got a return call. Thus, many non citizens would be arraigned, provided the Public Defender, tried by the District Attorney and if convicted interviewed by the Probation Officer, sentenced to probation, jailed or placed in prison all on the states dime.

"illegal aliens" get employment from businesses, big and small, and industry, they do not get TANF under normal circumstances. Get the facts, the issue is not as simple as you hope it to be.

It's a hell of a lot more expensive to allow illegal aliens to remain here than to seek deportations for them either voluntarily or involuntarily. By not enforcing our immigration laws it just encourages more to come here. Only and utter idiot wouldn't understand that. Well if the shoe fits..........

First of all, fuck you and take that shoe and shove it up your ass!

That said, many of those who are here without papers work, they replace roofs, cut lawns and trees, cook in restaurants, pay sales taxes and buy goods and services. Many own homes, pay real estate and special district taxes, thus they contribute to our overall economy.

Your ignorance is even more pronounced than your bigotry, I suggest you look into the billing rate for an immigration attorney, and figure out the costs to hire administrative law judges and the number of US Deputy Attorney's needed to provide evidence, evidence collected by ICE agents, plus the clerical help, office space and the cost of detention - contracted out to local jails - all paid for by John Q Taxpayer.

So it's bigoted not to want foreigners to violate our immigration laws, steal jobs from Americans, commit felony ID theft or income tax evasion by getting paid under the table? The jobs mentioned Americans have always been ones that they will do. Who do you think did them before the arrival of cheap, illegal labor to make the rich richer? If Americans were to get those jobs back they in turn would be buying houses, paying taxes and contributing to our economy. Why are YOU so bigoted against the American worker/taxpayer, you hypocrite! If anyone is the ignorant fool .....it's you!

There are virtually no costs in self-deportations. E-verify which will remove the job incentives and removing birthright citizenship for their kids leaves them no reason to remain here or to keep coming here illegally. With their enormous social costs we would be saving billions in tax dollars also. Even Homeland Security has said it is cheaper to deport them than to allow them to remain here. Now with all that being said welcome to my ignore list you ignorant anti-American POS!

It is bigoted to believe any form of Prohibition is more effective than Commerce, well regulated with our Commerce Clause.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Grow up. A driver's license is not a passport or de facto evidence of citizenship. It is an ID, one which Identifies the holder as a non citizen. It also means the holder of the license has some driver training and understands the rules of the road.

As for welfare,

"The extent to which residents of the United States who are not U.S. citizens should be eligible for federally funded public aid has been a contentious issue since the 1990s. This issue meets at the intersection of two major policy areas: immigration policy and welfare policy. The eligibility of noncitizens for public assistance programs is based on a complex set of rules that are determined largely by the type of noncitizen in question and the nature of services being offered. Over the past 18 years, Congress has enacted significant changes in U.S. immigration policy and welfare policy. Congress has exercised oversight of revisions made by the 1996 welfare reform law (the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, P.L. 104-193)—including the rules governing noncitizen eligibility for public assistance that it established—and legislation covering programs with major restrictions on noncitizens’ eligibility (e.g., food stamps/SNAP, Medicaid)."

Link: http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33809.pdf

You have a problem with this, send Boehner a letter and tell him. He and McConnell refuse to put comprehensive Immigration Reform in a bill solely for political reasons. Their base wants 'em all deported, as you likely do. The fact is to do so is fiscally irresponsible as each person is required do process, including representation by an attorney.

There is also a factor of concern to all but the most callous conservatives, the so called anchor babies, a topic which might require a repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment (read section one), and those children brought into the United States as minors who have no experience living anywhere else and in many cases speak and understand English only.

You're the one who needs to grow up! We have immigration laws and quotas in place for good reasons. Illegal immigration negates that sane policy. Why would we conservatives contact our elected officials and ask them to pass an amnesty which is exactly what CIR is rather than enforcing our immigration laws and removing the incentives for illegal aliens to remain here?



Illegal aliens gets all kinds of welfare thru their U.S. born kids. Birthright citizenship should be denied to them which is another incentive why they come here.

As for the ids they drag over our border illegally their parents shouldn't be rewarded for that by allowing them to remain here. They know the culture and language of their homeland otherwise how do you think they communicate with their parents?

This isn't being calloused nor is it a conservative vs liberal issue. This is a American law issue.

Read the 14th Amendment to the Constitution and the link I provided. Then consider the cost of due process in doing what you advocate. We are a nation of laws, and it is callous to toss someone, who was born elsewhere and brought to the US as an infant, back across the border. The law requires due process and it is very expensive.

Local and state agencies do not have the standing to enforce Federal Laws. Immigration is a Federal Responsibility and speaking from experience, when we arrested a person who entered the country illegally and we notified INS (now ICE) we rarely got a return call. Thus, many non citizens would be arraigned, provided the Public Defender, tried by the District Attorney and if convicted interviewed by the Probation Officer, sentenced to probation, jailed or placed in prison all on the states dime.

"illegal aliens" get employment from businesses, big and small, and industry, they do not get TANF under normal circumstances. Get the facts, the issue is not as simple as you hope it to be.

It's a hell of a lot more expensive to allow illegal aliens to remain here than to seek deportations for them either voluntarily or involuntarily. By not enforcing our immigration laws it just encourages more to come here. Only and utter idiot wouldn't understand that. Well if the shoe fits..........

First of all, fuck you and take that shoe and shove it up your ass!

That said, many of those who are here without papers work, they replace roofs, cut lawns and trees, cook in restaurants, pay sales taxes and buy goods and services. Many own homes, pay real estate and special district taxes, thus they contribute to our overall economy.

Your ignorance is even more pronounced than your bigotry, I suggest you look into the billing rate for an immigration attorney, and figure out the costs to hire administrative law judges and the number of US Deputy Attorney's needed to provide evidence, evidence collected by ICE agents, plus the clerical help, office space and the cost of detention - contracted out to local jails - all paid for by John Q Taxpayer.

So it's bigoted not to want foreigners to violate our immigration laws, steal jobs from Americans, commit felony ID theft or income tax evasion by getting paid under the table? The jobs mentioned Americans have always been ones that they will do. Who do you think did them before the arrival of cheap, illegal labor to make the rich richer? If Americans were to get those jobs back they in turn would be buying houses, paying taxes and contributing to our economy. Why are YOU so bigoted against the American worker/taxpayer, you hypocrite! If anyone is the ignorant fool .....it's you!

There are virtually no costs in self-deportations. E-verify which will remove the job incentives and removing birthright citizenship for their kids leaves them no reason to remain here or to keep coming here illegally. With their enormous social costs we would be saving billions in tax dollars also. Even Homeland Security has said it is cheaper to deport them than to allow them to remain here. Now with all that being said welcome to my ignore list you ignorant anti-American POS!

Willful Ignorance seems to be fitting, given your rant. Too bad you won't read my response, I would point out that the first paragraph of your rant indicts employers for illegal activity - something you missed (maybe you aren't willfully ignorant, but I digress) and the employee is simply seeking a better, maybe safer, place to live and work. Both may be culpable of a crime, but morally I'd would side with the immigrant.

Now, as to your angry and childish ad hominem, I am not insulted. It was one more bit of evidence that you are driven by your emotions and thus never likly to post anything of substance or thoughtful. It's sad, because people all over the world will read your comments and that will reflect poorly on our nation's people.

 

[danielpalos]

Thank you, Persons on the right, for your free samples of your version of a moral of "goodwill toward men".