Can someone call the cases when Putin lied?

[rightwinger]

I'm tired of constantly facing Putin's accusations of lying with the absence of any examples. I do not rule out that this is possible, because a big policy without lies - it almost never happens. Western politicians lie very often and we all know such examples, from Colin Powell's test tube to the statements of Boris Johnson. But I do not remember cases when Putin was convicted of proven lies. Maybe I do not know such cases and will you tell them to me?

Lying is one of his better qualities

 

[deanrd]

I'm tired of constantly facing Putin's accusations of lying with the absence of any examples. I do not rule out that this is possible, because a big policy without lies - it almost never happens. Western politicians lie very often and we all know such examples, from Colin Powell's test tube to the statements of Boris Johnson. But I do not remember cases when Putin was convicted of proven lies. Maybe I do not know such cases and will you tell them to me?

Did you ever bother to do a Google search on "Putin's lies"?
How about "Trump's lies"?
You should have before you started this thread.

 

[Slyhunter]

Ground troops = combat troops that fight on the ground, which would include, MP's, Special Forces, etc and most especially so called mercenary units bought and paid for by Putin's sycophants.

 

[cnm]

Give an exact quote in English translation, and I'll try to understand what it was, and so on or not.

For fuck's sake. Don't you read the links to the quoted excerpts? It was a report of an interview in Russian. How many times will it take for you to get that? Putin was reported as saying Trump was a great communicator. That is the exact English translation.

 

[Eugene]

I'm tired of constantly facing Putin's accusations of lying with the absence of any examples. I do not rule out that this is possible, because a big policy without lies - it almost never happens. Western politicians lie very often and we all know such examples, from Colin Powell's test tube to the statements of Boris Johnson. But I do not remember cases when Putin was convicted of proven lies. Maybe I do not know such cases and will you tell them to me?

It is usually based on empirical evidence. In order to prove someone is lying, you need to acquire a set of facts that contradict statements, and as ex-KGB, Putin is very careful in what he says and facts are often hard to come by in anything Putin is involved in. And anyone who seems to know anything contrary to Putin's position often seems to meet with unfortunate circumstances.

Almost sounds like the Clinton's..

But then again the Russian media is controlled by the government.

Or yeah!
Western mass media are free and not controlled by government

 

[Eugene]

Putin is an authoritarian dictator and people that make excuses for his actions are sad sacks of shit.

Globalists ruling west are bloody tyrant family and people that make excuses for their crimes are sad sacks of shit.

 

[Eugene]

You mean it has to be proven that Putin gave the order to the SVR to kill a former agent with a $10M vial of plutonium?

No. I'm looking for examples when Putin lied. But not accusations of his cruelty, murders and the like. Do you understand that in general, honesty and cruelty are orthogonal concepts? A person can be an honest tyrant, or maybe a deceitful liberal.

Post this picture in Russia and let us know how it goes for you. Surely as a free man you can do this. Or are you a slave?

[/QUOTE]
One of numerous stereotypes.
Nobody place someone to a jail for such things.
Go on believing your lying mass media

 

[Eugene]

You're taking a guy who A) worked for the KGB under the USSR where he'd be immune of committing crimes unless it annoyed the politburo and B) a guy who has basically become dictator of the country

A) Being exCIA is ok for you? So why being exKGB(FSB) is a sin?
B) A very impressive "dictator"! The one widely supported by citizens, the one had been able to stop the war in Chechnya, the one who stopped people's suffering of poverty and hunger, the one who increased every macroeconomical index greatly. And which is most important and the main reason of western attack - Putin and his team stopped robbing of Russia by western companies
I do vote for such kind of dictatorship!

 

[frigidweirdo]

You're taking a guy who A) worked for the KGB under the USSR where he'd be immune of committing crimes unless it annoyed the politburo and B) a guy who has basically become dictator of the country

A) Being exCIA is ok for you? So why being exKGB(FSB) is a sin?
B) A very impressive "dictator"! The one widely supported by citizens, the one had been able to stop the war in Chechnya, the one who stopped people's suffering of poverty and hunger, the one who increased every macroeconomical index greatly. And which is most important and the main reason of western attack - Putin and his team stopped robbing of Russia by western companies
I do vote for such kind of dictatorship!

I didn't say working for the KGB was a sin.

Is Putin "widely supported by citizens"? Then why does he need to diddle the elections if he's so popular? Why does he need to kill people who oppose him?

So, western companies aren't robbing Russia, but Putin is. You don't even get to decide who does the robbing.

Yes, Putin has steadily improved things in Russia.

Look at this however. Russia today has a GDP per capita of $27,000.

Latvia also has a GDP of $27,000, Lithuania $31,000, Estonia $31,000, Poland $29,000, Czech Republic $35,000, Slovakia $32,000.

These countries are doing better than Russia or the same, and yet they don't have the natural resources of Russia. Russia should be RICH... why isn't it?

 

[rightwinger]

You're taking a guy who A) worked for the KGB under the USSR where he'd be immune of committing crimes unless it annoyed the politburo and B) a guy who has basically become dictator of the country

A) Being exCIA is ok for you? So why being exKGB(FSB) is a sin?
B) A very impressive "dictator"! The one widely supported by citizens, the one had been able to stop the war in Chechnya, the one who stopped people's suffering of poverty and hunger, the one who increased every macroeconomical index greatly. And which is most important and the main reason of western attack - Putin and his team stopped robbing of Russia by western companies
I do vote for such kind of dictatorship!

I didn't say working for the KGB was a sin.

Is Putin "widely supported by citizens"? Then why does he need to diddle the elections if he's so popular? Why does he need to kill people who oppose him?

So, western companies aren't robbing Russia, but Putin is. You don't even get to decide who does the robbing.

Yes, Putin has steadily improved things in Russia.

Look at this however. Russia today has a GDP per capita of $27,000.

Latvia also has a GDP of $27,000, Lithuania $31,000, Estonia $31,000, Poland $29,000, Czech Republic $35,000, Slovakia $32,000.

These countries are doing better than Russia or the same, and yet they don't have the natural resources of Russia. Russia should be RICH... why isn't it?

Putin has hurt Russia economically.

When the USSR fell, the west offered economic opportunities, trade deals and partnerships that should have allowed Russia to expand its wealth
Putin pushed it all away, invaded Crimea and the Ukraine.

Now, Russia has few allies and is isolated

 

[Balancer]

For fuck's sake. Don't you read the links to the quoted excerpts? It was a report of an interview in Russian.

I have to deal with the electronic translation of each forum post individually. And I do not do it all the time, but from time to time. Therefore, when the context of previous messages begins to be mentioned, I can not understand what is being discussed. Is it really hard for you to just give an accurate link and explain what you mean? I completely lost the context of your question.

 

[Balancer]

Did you ever bother to do a Google search on "Putin's lies"?
How about "Trump's lies"?

On such requests there is only a mass of empty unsubstantiated accusations. That's why I'm asking about concrete proven facts.

 

[Balancer]

Look at this however. Russia today has a GDP per capita of $27,000.

Latvia also has a GDP of $27,000

And now, attention, we turn to the purchasing power of this money. Take the simplest example, the index of the Big Mac. In Russia, for $ 27,000, you can buy 11739 Big Macs. In Lithuania - 7941. And now here we will add a lot of free social services, which are not in Lithuania, we make an amendment to the state debt, which in Lithuania has already exceeded 40% and the difference will be even greater.

Big Mac index worldwide 2018 | Statista

I live in the Kaliningrad region next to Lithuania. And in Soviet times this Soviet republic was a prosperous showcase of socialism. I went by train, crossed the border and after the neat and well-groomed Lithuanian towns Russian cities seemed dirty and abandoned.

Now the situation has become completely different. In Lithuania, I mean more and more destroyed rents, overgrown fields and vegetable gardens, rusty roofs. And in the Kaliningrad region more and more well-groomed and beautiful places.

Not so long ago I shared my photos on this topic:

Voice of Russia

 

[Balancer]

When the USSR fell, the west offered economic opportunities, trade deals and partnerships that should have allowed Russia to expand its wealth

When the West offered to help us, there was hell in Russia. There were periods when I was several days without food. When Russia refused to cooperate with the West on unfavorable conditions for itself, the standard of living in Russia began to grow rapidly. As other parameters that are related to this began to improve. The consumption of alcohol decreases, life continues to grow, mortality decreases.

Thank you, but the sanctions of the West bring Russia much more benefits than its "help."

USSR-Russia. 1988-2018. Timeline.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You're taking a guy who A) worked for the KGB under the USSR where he'd be immune of committing crimes unless it annoyed the politburo and B) a guy who has basically become dictator of the country

A) Being exCIA is ok for you? So why being exKGB(FSB) is a sin?
B) A very impressive "dictator"! The one widely supported by citizens, the one had been able to stop the war in Chechnya, the one who stopped people's suffering of poverty and hunger, the one who increased every macroeconomical index greatly. And which is most important and the main reason of western attack - Putin and his team stopped robbing of Russia by western companies
I do vote for such kind of dictatorship!

I didn't say working for the KGB was a sin.

Is Putin "widely supported by citizens"? Then why does he need to diddle the elections if he's so popular? Why does he need to kill people who oppose him?

So, western companies aren't robbing Russia, but Putin is. You don't even get to decide who does the robbing.

Yes, Putin has steadily improved things in Russia.

Look at this however. Russia today has a GDP per capita of $27,000.

Latvia also has a GDP of $27,000, Lithuania $31,000, Estonia $31,000, Poland $29,000, Czech Republic $35,000, Slovakia $32,000.

These countries are doing better than Russia or the same, and yet they don't have the natural resources of Russia. Russia should be RICH... why isn't it?

Putin has hurt Russia economically.

When the USSR fell, the west offered economic opportunities, trade deals and partnerships that should have allowed Russia to expand its wealth
Putin pushed it all away, invaded Crimea and the Ukraine.

Now, Russia has few allies and is isolated

Well, when the USSR fell the US gave a lot of money to former Warsaw Pact countries, but not to Russia, Russia was seen as the enemy.

During the 1990s when Yeltsin was in power and Russia had the chance to rejoin the "democratic world" let by the great "democratic" country like the US, Russia suffered a lot.

I understand the argument that Putin has done a lot for Russia. However I also understand the argument that he's held Russia back. He's done both.

Russia needed strong leadership, the sort of leadership that Yeltsin, with his alcohol, was never going to give. Countries who have never had democracy before can't just jump straight into democracy and expect it to succeed.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Look at this however. Russia today has a GDP per capita of $27,000.

Latvia also has a GDP of $27,000

And now, attention, we turn to the purchasing power of this money. Take the simplest example, the index of the Big Mac. In Russia, for $ 27,000, you can buy 11739 Big Macs. In Lithuania - 7941. And now here we will add a lot of free social services, which are not in Lithuania, we make an amendment to the state debt, which in Lithuania has already exceeded 40% and the difference will be even greater.

Big Mac index worldwide 2018 | Statista

I live in the Kaliningrad region next to Lithuania. And in Soviet times this Soviet republic was a prosperous showcase of socialism. I went by train, crossed the border and after the neat and well-groomed Lithuanian towns Russian cities seemed dirty and abandoned.

Now the situation has become completely different. In Lithuania, I mean more and more destroyed rents, overgrown fields and vegetable gardens, rusty roofs. And in the Kaliningrad region more and more well-groomed and beautiful places.

Not so long ago I shared my photos on this topic:

Voice of Russia

Sure, but really, do you want to be buying that many big macs?

I have a friend in Moscow, she earns some good money, likes to take foreign holidays, we met in Germany while studying German. Her money doesn't go as far as it used to, because she likes expensive foreign stuff, smart phones, electronics, whatever.

For many Russians they want to go to the west. They might look to Lithuania for the chance to get an Schengen visa.

When I was in St Petersburg I stayed in a hostel. Two girls from Siberia were there. They had flown in to get UK visas. Their intention was to to the UK and never go back to Russia. One got the visa, the other didn't.

A reality in Russia. People want more than they've go. Some people love Putin, others hate him but know they can't do anything about it.

I went by bus from Tallinn to St Petersburg, the roads suddenly started to get quite bad on the Russian side.

Things might be cheaper, but you also have to remember that $27,000 is the average, where you have billionaires taking oil money, that in Lithuania doesn't exist. So, the average wage for the normal people will be much lower.

 

[rightwinger]

When the USSR fell, the west offered economic opportunities, trade deals and partnerships that should have allowed Russia to expand its wealth

When the West offered to help us, there was hell in Russia. There were periods when I was several days without food. When Russia refused to cooperate with the West on unfavorable conditions for itself, the standard of living in Russia began to grow rapidly. As other parameters that are related to this began to improve. The consumption of alcohol decreases, life continues to grow, mortality decreases.

Thank you, but the sanctions of the West bring Russia much more benefits than its "help."

USSR-Russia. 1988-2018. Timeline.

How has Russia done compared to China in the last 25 years?
Where is your industry?
Where is your high tech trade?

Putin has kept you in the 80s

 

[Balancer]

When I was in St Petersburg I stayed in a hostel. Two girls from Siberia were there. They had flown in to get UK visas. Their intention was to to the UK and never go back to Russia. One got the visa, the other didn't.

In what year was it? The fact is that many underestimate the pace with which the standard of living in Russia has grown. In the 1990s there was hell. Only, approximately, by 2010, Russia has returned to the level of the USSR in terms of living standards. A more or less comfortable standard of living according to my ideas in Russia has become in the last 5-10 years. But this is on average. Russia is very big and very different. There are absolutely chic stunning beautiful places. There are ruins and slums. But the fact that the standard of living is really growing. And there are fewer and fewer people wishing to leave Russia every year.

Things might be cheaper, but you also have to remember that $27,000 is the average, where you have billionaires taking oil money, that in Lithuania doesn't exist. So, the average wage for the normal people will be much lower.

There it was in the context of GDP, not wages The average salary in Lithuania is higher than in Russia That's only the purchasing power of such a salary is lower there. Even with all European subsidies and assistance. Life in Lithuania is more expensive than life in Russia.

 

[Balancer]

Sure, but really, do you want to be buying that many big macs?

This is simply one of the simplest ways to roughly compare the purchasing power of currencies in different countries. Although he is far from ideal, because he does not take into account many other expenses in the country, such as education in schools, medicine, kindergartens, higher education (in Russia all this is free of charge), etc.

 

[frigidweirdo]

When I was in St Petersburg I stayed in a hostel. Two girls from Siberia were there. They had flown in to get UK visas. Their intention was to to the UK and never go back to Russia. One got the visa, the other didn't.

In what year was it? The fact is that many underestimate the pace with which the standard of living in Russia has grown. In the 1990s there was hell. Only, approximately, by 2010, Russia has returned to the level of the USSR in terms of living standards. A more or less comfortable standard of living according to my ideas in Russia has become in the last 5-10 years. But this is on average. Russia is very big and very different. There are absolutely chic stunning beautiful places. There are ruins and slums. But the fact that the standard of living is really growing. And there are fewer and fewer people wishing to leave Russia every year.

Things might be cheaper, but you also have to remember that $27,000 is the average, where you have billionaires taking oil money, that in Lithuania doesn't exist. So, the average wage for the normal people will be much lower.

There it was in the context of GDP, not wages The average salary in Lithuania is higher than in Russia That's only the purchasing power of such a salary is lower there. Even with all European subsidies and assistance. Life in Lithuania is more expensive than life in Russia.

This would have been like 2009 I think. Yes, I can imagine that things are getting a little better in Russia. Maybe less and less people are leaving because they've left already, or given up trying, I don't know.

I considered going to work in Russia but the salary would be rubbish.

Yes, perhaps life is more expensive in Lithuania, but maybe things function better there. You pay for what you get.