Can Obama Fool Us Twice?

why would you use the word "great"? where in any post i have ever made about the president have i used the word "great"? i don't believe you'll find a single post that uses that word.

but if you think i'd ever vote for someone who thinks planned parenthood should be defunded or more justices like clarence thomas put on the bench, well.. let's just say that i'd cut off my arm first.

and until there is serious election finance reform, you will never get the kind of representation you want. neither will i. .. and good luck getting campaign finance reform in a post-citizens united world.

and honestly, there isn't a single potential repub candidate i could stomach. i might have voted for mccain 2000... but mccain 2008 was too busy pandering to the radical right for me to take seriously.
Princess:

If The Other Side of Paradise has established third party candidates appearing on its ballots, you aren't limited to Republican OR Democrat.

As individuals, a third party vote is usually meaningless; however, if millions of Democrats/Progressives cast third party votes in 2012 that FLUSH hundreds of Democrats from DC in a single news cycle, Hope and Change become Obama's (and the tea party's) worst nightmare.

thhird party? You mean like Libertarians who run on the republican ticket and are TP associated as well?
I don't think many conservatives (Libertarian and otherwise) will be willing to consider FLUSHING hundreds of incumbents from DC in November 2012.

If the Democrats and Republicans have outlived their usefulness to this country, it will probably be elected Democrats who are FLUSHED first.
 
I think the premise of this thread is flawed even though much of its content isn't.

Can Obama Fool Us Twice?

The above presumes he "fooled" us the first time.

I don't think that's accurate, really.

I think the politically unwashed (his youth vote) might have been fooled, but I seriously doubt any serious students of American politics were.

Obama was the least worst choice for enough voters, not the messianic person most right wing cranks want to imagine that lefties though he was.

I voted for O not expecting much change and with not a whole lot of hope.

Of course nobody expected the 2008 meltdown so faulting him as having betrayed campiagn promises surrounding that event is pointless since his campaign didn't address a problem that really had not yet occurred.
 
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You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.


I'm not sure who said this - it's been attributed to a number of people. Regardless, there is a lot of truth in it.
 
depends on the economy
Here's a CommonDreams post quoting a Financial Times claim that there are currently more people living in poverty in the US than at any time in the last 50 years.

"Foreclosure filings were nearly 4 million in 2010, up 23 percent since 2008 according to Realty Trac."

If the economy in the fall of 2012 is where it was in 2008, Obama should be the first of hundreds of elected Democrats AND Republicans in DC to collect a pink slip.
.....Pretty-much what "conservatives" were expecting, after Bill Clinton won the Presidency.

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"Not only was the entire national deficit eliminated after raising taxes on the wealthy in 1993, but the economy grew so fast for the remainder of the decade that many conservative economists thought that the Fed should raise the prime interest rate in order to slow it down."

 
Obama is a self absorbed simpleton, an intellectual featherweight with no gravitas. He is truly an empty suit with shit for brains. We on the right always suspected it (which is why we didn't vote for the boob) but now his actions have proven that he is a mindless moron without a clue. Even the left knows he is a fraud, though they are unlikely to admit it because it makes them look like the gullible idiots that they generally are. They "hoped" he was the one. The "believed" he was going to be JFK with a tan - instead he's more like Jimmy Carter with bigger ears and less respect.

So, can this mindless dope get reelected? Is the American electorate so stupid that they'd get duped again?

Yep.

He'll just repeat that same tripe that got him elected last time albeit with a few modifications: "We have more work to do for the hope and change stuff to work- we've come so far- don't give up the dream now!! " " I inherited a mess, It is unfair to blame me for all of these problems" " Let's hold hands and hope and change together!! Join with me as we rejuvenate the American dream" blah blah blah....

Sounds like a winner.

There are two big differences this year; the Electoral College Map is very different this upcoming POTUS election.

2012​

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2008​
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Texas gained 4, Georgia 1, Arizona 1, Utah 1. Meanwhile, NY, PA, OH all lost. Florida did gain.

So just by sheer numbers, Obama has a harder road ahead of him thanks to the Electoral College.

The 2nd thing is this: white guilt was on the ballot in 2008. Not so in 2012.

I think the Republican's big problem was perfectly described by what you said above; Presidential Elections are not so much about policies as they are personalities. Its still early but the personalities of the supposed front runners leave A LOT to be desired and the re-casting of the re-treads should have started 2 years ago. It didn't so now it's much more difficult to paint oneself as a non-elitist average Joe when people are looking. It will be much more difficult for Mitt Romney--the only really viable candidate I see for the GOP right now--to say, "I'm one of you" now than it would have been if he had started re-molding his image 2 years ago.

And, one more thing, the partisan sniping talk-radio crowd and the Tea Party are precisely not what the GOP needs right now. Trump put a .357 Magnum into his mouth this week and pulled the trigger on his political future. It's over. Nobody cares about birth certificates; they care about solutions. Like it or not, Obama is solving problems; results talk; bullshit walks. The deficit, for most Americans, is a non-starter because its not as if its anything new; very hard for the GOP to say, "Yeah he's solving problems but he cheated by increasing the debt." Uhhh hellooooooooooooo!

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Why not? Clinton did.
The economy looked better during Clinton's reelection bid. As it turned out that was only because the credit/housing bubbles hadn't yet burst.
You surely-do have your timelines fucked-up.

Phil Gramm hadn't run his hu$tle 'til late-'99.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2iHksmF7m4]YouTube - American Casino: Greenspan's "flaw in the model"[/ame]

You need to catch-up....
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this is amerika, of course he can....
Would you say it's accurate to label Obama as a Democrat on the little stuff (held first Seder in White House?) and a right-wing Republican when it comes to War and Wall Street?

obama is an idiot on the small stuff and an asshole on war and Wall St.
"Manufacturing continues to lead the recovery, helped by an expanding global economy. Faster-growing markets such as China lifted demand for U.S.-made goods, helping to trim the trade deficit in February, the Commerce Department may report on April 12. The gap between exports and imports shrank to $44 billion from $46.3 billion in January, according to the Bloomberg survey median."


:woohoo: . :woohoo: . :woohoo: . :woohoo: . :woohoo:

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Hmmm, so the FAR left are pissed at Obama and the FAR right hates everything about the President. Well, sorry kiddies, but elections are won from the middle. The President has done much of what he campaigned on and the things he hasn't been able to do simply were not for lack of trying. The fact that the President and the last Congress were able to get historic health and financial reforms through the most obstructionist GnOP in history is nothing short of miraculous.

If anything, the President has a messaging problem, but I see that changing now that the 2012 election is ramping up and he will have MILLIONS to spend on getting that message out.
 
Obama is a self absorbed simpleton, an intellectual featherweight with no gravitas. He is truly an empty suit with shit for brains. We on the right always suspected it (which is why we didn't vote for the boob) but now his actions have proven that he is a mindless moron without a clue. Even the left knows he is a fraud, though they are unlikely to admit it because it makes them look like the gullible idiots that they generally are. They "hoped" he was the one. The "believed" he was going to be JFK with a tan - instead he's more like Jimmy Carter with bigger ears and less respect.

So, can this mindless dope get reelected? Is the American electorate so stupid that they'd get duped again?

Yep.

He'll just repeat that same tripe that got him elected last time albeit with a few modifications: "We have more work to do for the hope and change stuff to work- we've come so far- don't give up the dream now!! " " I inherited a mess, It is unfair to blame me for all of these problems" " Let's hold hands and hope and change together!! Join with me as we rejuvenate the American dream" blah blah blah....

Zander, I want to believe he is an idiot, but the farther we get into his term, the more I think he is a diabolical genius who is destroying the country on purpose.
Aw, c'mon.....only Bush-fans are stupid-enough....


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Obama is a self absorbed simpleton, an intellectual featherweight with no gravitas. He is truly an empty suit with shit for brains. We on the right always suspected it (which is why we didn't vote for the boob) but now his actions have proven that he is a mindless moron without a clue. Even the left knows he is a fraud, though they are unlikely to admit it because it makes them look like the gullible idiots that they generally are. They "hoped" he was the one. The "believed" he was going to be JFK with a tan - instead he's more like Jimmy Carter with bigger ears and less respect.

So, can this mindless dope get reelected? Is the American electorate so stupid that they'd get duped again?

Yep.

He'll just repeat that same tripe that got him elected last time albeit with a few modifications: "We have more work to do for the hope and change stuff to work- we've come so far- don't give up the dream now!! " " I inherited a mess, It is unfair to blame me for all of these problems" " Let's hold hands and hope and change together!! Join with me as we rejuvenate the American dream" blah blah blah....

Zander, I want to believe he is an idiot, but the farther we get into his term, the more I think he is a diabolical genius who is destroying the country on purpose.

Whatever he is, he is woefully inadequate in every area of importance to our country. He spends money like the proverbial drunken sailor, he obeys the UN like a lapdog, and he has broken just about every promise he made to voters.
We're still talkin'-about....


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If gas prices keep going the way they are, Obama is toast The "poor and the"middle class" are hurt by this the most. Gas $4.00 a gal? Obama has no chance.
C'mon.....he's finally pullin' us outta the pile o' horseshit Lil' Dumbya left-behind.....​

January 13, 2008

"The recession-deniers were muzzled by a horrendous last two weeks of December, and the gloom-and-doomers are now out in force. Their key arguments:

* Plummeting housing will now drag down the rest of the economy.

*The "bad debt" problem is not just "sub-prime" folks who should never have have taken out mortgages in the first place. It includes credit card debt, "high quality" mortgages, car loans, and other leverage that have recently become a consumer way of life.

*Pressure on consumers is leading to a reduction in consumer spending (70% of economy), which, in turn, will lead to a reduction in spending by companies that sell stuff to consumers.

*The question now is not "will there be a recession?" but "how bad will it get?"

*The most optimistic forecasts in a NYT gloom-and-doom round-up are for three crappy quarters, regardless of what the Fed does. Less optimistic forecasts suggest that we are, well, screwed.

After blowing the last downturn, we've been worried this one since last summer (see below). We also suspect that, given the importance of housing to the economy and debt to consumer spending, the recession will be deeper and more prolonged than people think."


Run-along, now.....Skippy!!

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Obama is a self absorbed simpleton, an intellectual featherweight with no gravitas. He is truly an empty suit with shit for brains. We on the right always suspected it (which is why we didn't vote for the boob) but now his actions have proven that he is a mindless moron without a clue. Even the left knows he is a fraud, though they are unlikely to admit it because it makes them look like the gullible idiots that they generally are. They "hoped" he was the one. The "believed" he was going to be JFK with a tan - instead he's more like Jimmy Carter with bigger ears and less respect.

I think you are mistaking world class arrogance for stupidity in both Obama and Carter.

So, can this mindless dope get reelected? Is the American electorate so stupid that they'd get duped again?

Yep.

He'll just repeat that same tripe that got him elected last time albeit with a few modifications: "We have more work to do for the hope and change stuff to work- we've come so far- don't give up the dream now!! " " I inherited a mess, It is unfair to blame me for all of these problems" " Let's hold hands and hope and change together!! Join with me as we rejuvenate the American dream" blah blah blah....
Lest we all forget JFK was assassinated in Dallas while unofficially campaigning for reelection. Goldwater effectively sewed up the GOP nomination prior to the assassination because running against Kennedy any Republican was a shoe-in.
If you're correct about any Republican being a "shoe-in" against JFK in '64, do you think that was because of Kennedy's and Khrushchev's reaction to the Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962?

Some recent historians are claiming Kennedy and Khrushchev were scared straight by the prospect of global nuclear war, and renounced their respective military/security complex's obsession with war and the threat of war.

If so, it's not clear how Obama has failed to bow to the Pentagon and Homeland Security in the same way Kennedy did in 1963.

"The U.S. government has a huge military/security budget. It is as large as the(military/security?) budgets of the rest of the world combined.

"The Pentagon, CIA, and Homeland Security budgets account for the $1.1 trillion federal deficit that the Obama administration forecasts for fiscal year 2012.

"This massive deficit spending serves only one purpose--the enrichment of the private companies that serve the military/security complex.

"These companies, along with those on Wall Street, are who elect the U.S. government."

Paul Craig Roberts: A Tool for Class War
First the Bay of Pigs, then the Missile crisis and finally the coup against the Diem brothers in Vietnam ruined the Kennedy presidency. Nobody had a clue as to what he was trying to do or why in foreign policy. Living in Key West I paid close attention to the first two even though I was in grammar school, I was literally on the frontline of his Cuba policy and did not like the experience. Kennedy did not bow to the Pentagon, he rammed special ops right its throat.
 
"While the multimillionaire president blithely talks about a recovery as he heads off to golf with his wealthy friends, unemployment is rising and becoming structural.

Why are you hating the man for his wealth? What, are you jealous?
 
this is amerika, of course he can....
Would you say it's accurate to label Obama as a Democrat on the little stuff (held first Seder in White House?) and a right-wing Republican when it comes to War and Wall Street?

what's the matter, he hasn't bombed israel so you're unhappy, terrorist-supporter?
Do you believe someone who believes American interests are not always the same as Jewish/Israeli interests is a supporter of terror?

How do you justify the terror Israel is inflicting on Gaza and Area C?
 

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