Can Israelis govern Israel?

[rhodescholar]

There is no right or wrong side.

And if the Arabs win, they will have no more reason to attack the United States.

This level of stupid sometimes awes me almost as much as absolute brilliance...

 

[rhodescholar]

Israelis know how to rule their country but unfortunately they don't know how to fix the Palestinian conflict. I think the only ways is to give Palestinians their own country but Israelis don't want to

You have it backwards; there are 60 MM non-arab muslims in the mideast - why won't the arab muslims accept any of them being sovereign? Why are only arab muslims allowed to have self-rule in the mideast?

 

[Hossfly]

Even Israel doesn't want to do something for a real peace with Palestinians.
Maybe they should calm down, talk together and make something useful for both Israelis and Arabs

p.s. regarding Hoa people many of them left Vietnam many years ago. Problem solved lol
Anyways they're fully integrated into our society

There are plenty of Arabs in Israel who are integrated into the country. However, supposing these ethnic Chinese decided they wanted there own little area of Vietnam and start going out on the streets and started stabbing and shooting Vietnamese citizens, what would you government do about it?
I don't think you really know much about the Israel/Palestine conflict so I would suggest that since you just came to this forum that you listen to posters such as Rocco, Shusha and Hollie to learn a bit more. Meanwhile, the Israelis appear to be helping your country without your country worrying about what is happening in this particular conflict. You probably didn't know about this.
http://www.israel21c.org/milking-israels-dairy-expertise-in-vietnam/

 

[Indeependent]

Touched a nerve, have I?

Everybody here knows that without constant American support Israel is a doomed country.

And as an American who is not a Jew, and is not interested in my tax dollars or for the young people of America to be used as cannon fodder for wars, I reject the idea that I need to support Israel.

The same goes for Arab countries. I don't need to support them either.

Let them all duke it out and see who survives.

What would happen to our environment if several hundred nukes go off within a scant few hours?

 

[esthermoon]

Even Israel doesn't want to do something for a real peace with Palestinians.
Maybe they should calm down, talk together and make something useful for both Israelis and Arabs

p.s. regarding Hoa people many of them left Vietnam many years ago. Problem solved lol
Anyways they're fully integrated into our society

There are plenty of Arabs in Israel who are integrated into the country. However, supposing these ethnic Chinese decided they wanted there own little area of Vietnam and start going out on the streets and started stabbing and shooting Vietnamese citizens, what would you government do about it?
I don't think you really know much about the Israel/Palestine conflict so I would suggest that since you just came to this forum that you listen to posters such as Rocco, Shusha and Hollie to learn a bit more. Meanwhile, the Israelis appear to be helping your country without your country worrying about what is happening in this particular conflict. You probably didn't know about this.
http://www.israel21c.org/milking-israels-dairy-expertise-in-vietnam/

No I didn't know about Israel Vietnam cooperation
Anyways they should be more "open" about Palestinians: what about Israel back to pre-1967 borders? Maybe that's the better solution

p.s. If some ethnic Chinese started to stab and shoot Vietnamese citizens they would be shot or arrested for sure. Our laws are a little bit harsh on that

 

[esthermoon]

Israelis know how to rule their country but unfortunately they don't know how to fix the Palestinian conflict. I think the only ways is to give Palestinians their own country but Israelis don't want to

You have it backwards; there are 60 MM non-arab muslims in the mideast - why won't the arab muslims accept any of them being sovereign? Why are only arab muslims allowed to have self-rule in the mideast?

For now only Palestinians are not allowed to have self rule in the Middle East (and the Kurdish people too).
Israelis and Palestinians should simple live together in peace. Two countries, two people. It should be so simple if only they want to do it
This is just my view, nothing more. I'm not a "political specialist" I'm just an ordinary person telling my futile opinion!

 

[Phoenall]

Israelis know how to rule their country but unfortunately they don't know how to fix the Palestinian conflict.
I think the only ways is to give Palestinians their own country but Israelis don't want to

They already have their own country, it is called Jordan, if you look at the international treaties of 1917, 1921, 1923 and 1925 you will see that the west bank is actually Jewish sovereign land and not arab muslim

 

[Phoenall]

Even Israel doesn't want to do something for a real peace with Palestinians.
Maybe they should calm down, talk together and make something useful for both Israelis and Arabs

p.s. regarding Hoa people many of them left Vietnam many years ago. Problem solved lol
Anyways they're fully integrated into our society

The only solution the arab muslims will accept is the genocide of all the worlds Jews and the destruction of Israel

 

[Phoenall]

Even Israel doesn't want to do something for a real peace with Palestinians.
Maybe they should calm down, talk together and make something useful for both Israelis and Arabs

p.s. regarding Hoa people many of them left Vietnam many years ago. Problem solved lol
Anyways they're fully integrated into our society

There are plenty of Arabs in Israel who are integrated into the country. However, supposing these ethnic Chinese decided they wanted there own little area of Vietnam and start going out on the streets and started stabbing and shooting Vietnamese citizens, what would you government do about it?
I don't think you really know much about the Israel/Palestine conflict so I would suggest that since you just came to this forum that you listen to posters such as Rocco, Shusha and Hollie to learn a bit more. Meanwhile, the Israelis appear to be helping your country without your country worrying about what is happening in this particular conflict. You probably didn't know about this.
http://www.israel21c.org/milking-israels-dairy-expertise-in-vietnam/

No I didn't know about Israel Vietnam cooperation
Anyways they should be more "open" about Palestinians: what about Israel back to pre-1967 borders? Maybe that's the better solution

p.s. If some ethnic Chinese started to stab and shoot Vietnamese citizens they would be shot or arrested for sure. Our laws are a little bit harsh on that

What pre 1967 borders, when were these negotiated. Or do you mean the 1967 cease fire lines that are the ones used as boundaries today. The pre 1967 borders that you reference are the UN 181 borders that the arab muslims have denied since 1947

 

[esthermoon]

Even Israel doesn't want to do something for a real peace with Palestinians.
Maybe they should calm down, talk together and make something useful for both Israelis and Arabs

p.s. regarding Hoa people many of them left Vietnam many years ago. Problem solved lol
Anyways they're fully integrated into our society

The only solution the arab muslims will accept is the genocide of all the worlds Jews and the destruction of Israel

This is a solution for those Arab Muslims who are totally insane!
I don't believe all Arabs are like that (or at least I hope!)

 

[Phoenall]

Israelis know how to rule their country but unfortunately they don't know how to fix the Palestinian conflict. I think the only ways is to give Palestinians their own country but Israelis don't want to

You have it backwards; there are 60 MM non-arab muslims in the mideast - why won't the arab muslims accept any of them being sovereign? Why are only arab muslims allowed to have self-rule in the mideast?

For now only Palestinians are not allowed to have self rule in the Middle East (and the Kurdish people too).
Israelis and Palestinians should simple live together in peace. Two countries, two people. It should be so simple if only they want to do it
This is just my view, nothing more. I'm not a "political specialist" I'm just an ordinary person telling my futile opinion!

The filastins have self rule to the extent that they want it, any more and they would lose the jizya they recieve and have to become law abiding. No one is stopping them from following international law by declaring a state and staying peaceful for a full year so that the Israel occupation will end

 

[esthermoon]

Israelis know how to rule their country but unfortunately they don't know how to fix the Palestinian conflict.
I think the only ways is to give Palestinians their own country but Israelis don't want to

They already have their own country, it is called Jordan, if you look at the international treaties of 1917, 1921, 1923 and 1925 you will see that the west bank is actually Jewish sovereign land and not arab muslim

But they don't want Jordan ruling over them and even Jordan don't want them.
In 1988 Jordanian government renounced ist claims to Cis-jordan
It seems nobody want them...

Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

 

[Phoenall]

Even Israel doesn't want to do something for a real peace with Palestinians.
Maybe they should calm down, talk together and make something useful for both Israelis and Arabs

p.s. regarding Hoa people many of them left Vietnam many years ago. Problem solved lol
Anyways they're fully integrated into our society

The only solution the arab muslims will accept is the genocide of all the worlds Jews and the destruction of Israel

This is a solution for those Arab Muslims who are totally insane!
I don't believe all Arabs are like that (or at least I hope!)

It is part of their religion if you read the koran and hadiths, and the muslims cant pick and choose what part of islam they wish to follow

 

[Phoenall]

Israelis know how to rule their country but unfortunately they don't know how to fix the Palestinian conflict.
I think the only ways is to give Palestinians their own country but Israelis don't want to

They already have their own country, it is called Jordan, if you look at the international treaties of 1917, 1921, 1923 and 1925 you will see that the west bank is actually Jewish sovereign land and not arab muslim

But they don't want Jordan ruling over them and even Jordan don't want them.
In 1988 Jordanian government renounced ist claims to Cis-jordan
It seems nobody want them...

Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

Then they should find another country to migrate to, the laws are clear on this their land handed to them in 1925 was called trans Jordan and that is where they were supposed to live. The problem is their religion that commands them to own the whole world, and they are carrying this out violently

 

[esthermoon]

Even Israel doesn't want to do something for a real peace with Palestinians.
Maybe they should calm down, talk together and make something useful for both Israelis and Arabs

p.s. regarding Hoa people many of them left Vietnam many years ago. Problem solved lol
Anyways they're fully integrated into our society

There are plenty of Arabs in Israel who are integrated into the country. However, supposing these ethnic Chinese decided they wanted there own little area of Vietnam and start going out on the streets and started stabbing and shooting Vietnamese citizens, what would you government do about it?
I don't think you really know much about the Israel/Palestine conflict so I would suggest that since you just came to this forum that you listen to posters such as Rocco, Shusha and Hollie to learn a bit more. Meanwhile, the Israelis appear to be helping your country without your country worrying about what is happening in this particular conflict. You probably didn't know about this.
http://www.israel21c.org/milking-israels-dairy-expertise-in-vietnam/

No I didn't know about Israel Vietnam cooperation
Anyways they should be more "open" about Palestinians: what about Israel back to pre-1967 borders? Maybe that's the better solution

p.s. If some ethnic Chinese started to stab and shoot Vietnamese citizens they would be shot or arrested for sure. Our laws are a little bit harsh on that

What pre 1967 borders, when were these negotiated. Or do you mean the 1967 cease fire lines that are the ones used as boundaries today. The pre 1967 borders that you reference are the UN 181 borders that the arab muslims have denied since 1947

Yes I mean the pre 1967 cease fire lines!
They can make a treaty and convert those old cease fire lines in real borders between two countries

 

[Phoenall]

Even Israel doesn't want to do something for a real peace with Palestinians.
Maybe they should calm down, talk together and make something useful for both Israelis and Arabs

p.s. regarding Hoa people many of them left Vietnam many years ago. Problem solved lol
Anyways they're fully integrated into our society

There are plenty of Arabs in Israel who are integrated into the country. However, supposing these ethnic Chinese decided they wanted there own little area of Vietnam and start going out on the streets and started stabbing and shooting Vietnamese citizens, what would you government do about it?
I don't think you really know much about the Israel/Palestine conflict so I would suggest that since you just came to this forum that you listen to posters such as Rocco, Shusha and Hollie to learn a bit more. Meanwhile, the Israelis appear to be helping your country without your country worrying about what is happening in this particular conflict. You probably didn't know about this.
http://www.israel21c.org/milking-israels-dairy-expertise-in-vietnam/

No I didn't know about Israel Vietnam cooperation
Anyways they should be more "open" about Palestinians: what about Israel back to pre-1967 borders? Maybe that's the better solution

p.s. If some ethnic Chinese started to stab and shoot Vietnamese citizens they would be shot or arrested for sure. Our laws are a little bit harsh on that

What pre 1967 borders, when were these negotiated. Or do you mean the 1967 cease fire lines that are the ones used as boundaries today. The pre 1967 borders that you reference are the UN 181 borders that the arab muslims have denied since 1947

Yes I mean the pre 1967 cease fire lines!
They can make a treaty and convert those old cease fire lines in real borders between two countries

The arab muslims dont want the 1967 lines, they want the 1948 lines as drawn on the map of the UN. This would mean they could fire illegal rockets at Israeli children any time they wanted. I prefer the lines drawn by the LoN and the removal of all illegal arab muslim migrants from that land

 

[rhodescholar]

For now only Palestinians are not allowed to have self rule in the Middle East (and the Kurdish people too).

You are appallingly uninformed. There are dozens of other groups who the arab muslims have oppressed and slaughtered in the mideast right now; yazidis, maneachans, coptics, chaldeans, maronites, assyrians, azeri, bahai, baluchis, etc. that don't get the same headlines - because they aren't using animalistic, violent tactics like the arab muslims - but have a FAR more legitimate claim of grievance.

The only reason Israel is in the news so much is because the jews are the one group that said "FUCK YOU!" to the arab muslims, and will not allow themselves like the maronites in Lebanon to be over-run.

I'm sorry but the arab muslims need to learn to respect the rights of other people, including the basic right of self-rule.

Israelis and Palestinians should simple live together in peace. Two countries, two people.

Except the arab muslims who recently adopted the name "palestinians" are not native to the land; they are a KGB-built construct going back to the mid-1960s as a means of fighting against the West by the USSR.

Learn more here:

https://www.amazon.com/Disinformati...tacking-Promoting/dp/1936488604&tag=ff0d01-20[/QUOTE]

 

[rhodescholar]

What pre 1967 borders, when were these negotiated. Or do you mean the 1967 cease fire lines that are the ones used as boundaries today. The pre 1967 borders that you reference are the UN 181 borders that the arab muslims have denied since 1947

The amount of terrorism from the arab muslims was actually greater BEFORE 1967 than it was after; its not as if there was peace in any way - or the arab acceptance of israel - before Israel entered the West bank to stop the terrorist attacks.

Go educate yourself on the conflict before spouting further nonsense.

 

[Shusha]

Anyways they should be more "open" about Palestinians: what about Israel back to pre-1967 borders? Maybe that's the better solution

First, welcome. I appreciate that you appear willing to learn more about the conflict.

What do you mean by "they should be more 'open' about the Palestinians'? (They, I presume, being Israelis or Jews). Do you mean that Israel should be more trusting that the Palestinians will be peaceful once the Palestinians achieve their goals? Israelis are being stabbed in the streets. Israeli homes are broken into and children stabbed in their sleep. They are being run over by cars at bus stops. They are being attacked with cleavers as they pray. They are being attacked with rockets. They are being blown up on buses. They are being stoned and have molotovs thrown at them. They are being told -- by supposed national leaders - that their "filithy feet" must not be permitted to infect their OWN Holy Place. And all this is happening within the context that Israel must not be permitted to exist and often that Jews, themselves, must be destroyed.

So why, exactly, should Israel be more 'open"? When Israel abandoned Gaza, was the result peace? What makes you think that being more "open" to Palestinians will result in peace?


A lot of people who are just learning about the conflict repeat the mantra to "return to the 1967 borders". But they rarely ask themselves why. Why should Israel return to those "borders" (actually 1949 Armistice Lines or the Green Line)? Those lines are the places where the two sides to the conflict stopped fighting in 1949. The peace agreement made then very specifically said that those lines were NOT to be permanent borders. So why is the Green Line the definitive starting line for Israel?

And to answer that you have to ask more questions. Why do the Palestinians insist on the Green Line as a starting point (actually a pre-condition) to negotiation? Why does the international community support this?

Then ask what is important to Israel when determining borders? What is Israel looking for when negotiating permanent boundaries between itself and Palestine? What makes a good border between two countries in deep conflict?

 

[Hossfly]

Even Israel doesn't want to do something for a real peace with Palestinians.
Maybe they should calm down, talk together and make something useful for both Israelis and Arabs

p.s. regarding Hoa people many of them left Vietnam many years ago. Problem solved lol
Anyways they're fully integrated into our society

There are plenty of Arabs in Israel who are integrated into the country. However, supposing these ethnic Chinese decided they wanted there own little area of Vietnam and start going out on the streets and started stabbing and shooting Vietnamese citizens, what would you government do about it?
I don't think you really know much about the Israel/Palestine conflict so I would suggest that since you just came to this forum that you listen to posters such as Rocco, Shusha and Hollie to learn a bit more. Meanwhile, the Israelis appear to be helping your country without your country worrying about what is happening in this particular conflict. You probably didn't know about this.
http://www.israel21c.org/milking-israels-dairy-expertise-in-vietnam/

No I didn't know about Israel Vietnam cooperation
Anyways they should be more "open" about Palestinians: what about Israel back to pre-1967 borders? Maybe that's the better solution

p.s. If some ethnic Chinese started to stab and shoot Vietnamese citizens they would be shot or arrested for sure. Our laws are a little bit harsh on that

I'm surprised, Esther, that you did not know about yours own country and Israel, but yet you come to this forum and attempt to appear as if you know about the Israel/Palestine conflict. As for your laws, if the ethnic Chinese would go around shooting and stabbing Vietnamese and would be shot or arrested, there certainly wouldn't be headlines in the newspapers blaring these events around the world such as you see when Israel does same. In addition, if the Israelis take someone in for questioning, they are accused of kidnapping the perpetrator.

Do you think that the 1967 War should even have been started? Look at a map of these pre-1967 borders and see how vulnerable Israel was. If the Arabs didn't start the war, she would be in the same vulnerable position . As it is, Israel is still vulnerable even after the war being surrounded by hostile neighbors who don't want any of the land in the Middle East governed by Jews.