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Public education. Resulting in reduced standards and performance of students.
Public Assistance. Allowing family structure to deteriorate at an alarming rate.
Unemployment Insurance. What once was a short term safety net is now a life style.
Social Security. A system intended as a supplement has become most people's primary source. Also, it is mandatory which is wrong.
Healthcare. It has been set up to fail by the current adminstration. Next stop universal health care.
education is socialistic? i suppose we could be like saudi arabia and our children can be 'taught' in madrassas. education should not be privatized so that only the wealthy have access to it.
public assistance? that was largely reformed a long time ago and is a fairly small part of our our budget. and the largest segment of people on welfare are single white mothers. would you suggest they and their children starve to death?
The interesting thing about that is the same people who oppose helping single mothers also oppose sex education and abortion.
unemployment insurance? i really can't respond to that since i think cutting off people at the height of a bad job market is ill-considered and mean-spirited. I'm sorry you've bought into the extremists' assertion that people are choosing to live off of unemployment insurance.
health care? my arguments at the beginning of this thread outline my opinions on that issue.
ultimately, i'd rather not live in the type of society you describe. it sounds like a banana republic where i will need armed guards in front of my home.
(I give credit to Andrew Wilkow for this unbreakable argument) There is person 'A' and person 'B'. 'A' is a poverty stricken American that does not pay taxes. 'B' is a successful mechanic who owns a small business and pays taxes, and lives a very comfortable life. If 'A' is entitled to health care for simply existing (like the left wing claims), and 'B' is responsible to 'A' to provide that entitlement via paying taxes, then what did 'B' do to deserve to fall into the debt of 'A'?
Even more important; What is 'A's responsibility having received the entitlement without contributing to the system for it....to 'B' having been forced by federal government to provide it? Does 'A' owe it to 'B' to live a healthy lifestyle that is to refrain from excessive drinking, smoking, sex with hookers which can lead to STDs, obesity or anything else that a person can make that contribute to their health and wellbeing? Will the government force people to modify their behavior?
Is this not a type of economic slavery?
In conclusion, it is obvious that this kind of a system is detrimental to the concept of liberty, equality, and responsibility. Three important factors in a free society. 'A's and 'B's liberty is not looked at equally by the federal government, that is to say 'B' cannot refuse their obligation impelled by the government and refuse to pay the taxes that will be levied against them for this new entitlement through threat of incarceration and/or penalties.
To preserve, strengthen, and defend liberty...or to submit and fall for the lies of tyrannical oligarchy and socialism. The choice is obvious for anyone who values the prospects and the potential of the human being.
I am not saying the current system is where we need to be, I am saying we need to look to our founding, and a literal representaion of the constitution...and cut everything that is hurting America and the people in the federal government to return to prosperity...and i mean prosperity for everyone. For if those poor people can say, create a business EASIER...would they not be more prosperous? The current government puts up road blocks to prosperity instead of PROMOTING the growth of the talents of an individual so they can be successful.
Thanks for reading!
Public education. Resulting in reduced standards and performance of students.
Public Assistance. Allowing family structure to deteriorate at an alarming rate.
Unemployment Insurance. What once was a short term safety net is now a life style.
Social Security. A system intended as a supplement has become most people's primary source. Also, it is mandatory which is wrong.
Healthcare. It has been set up to fail by the current adminstration. Next stop universal health care.
education is socialistic? i suppose we could be like saudi arabia and our children can be 'taught' in madrassas. education should not be privatized so that only the wealthy have access to it.
public assistance? that was largely reformed a long time ago and is a fairly small part of our our budget. and the largest segment of people on welfare are single white mothers. would you suggest they and their children starve to death?
The interesting thing about that is the same people who oppose helping single mothers also oppose sex education and abortion.
unemployment insurance? i really can't respond to that since i think cutting off people at the height of a bad job market is ill-considered and mean-spirited. I'm sorry you've bought into the extremists' assertion that people are choosing to live off of unemployment insurance.
health care? my arguments at the beginning of this thread outline my opinions on that issue.
ultimately, i'd rather not live in the type of society you describe. it sounds like a banana republic where i will need armed guards in front of my home.
The question you asked me was, "What aspects of our society do you believe are socialist?". I responded to your question with an answer. In addition, I added some of the consequences of those socialist institutions. You chose to twist that into some type attack. Whatever. Have a nice morning.
Basically, L's argument is that the poor and the powerless deserve to be poor and powerless and that we need to return to the days before the king and aristocracy were robbed of what was rightfully theirs.
I say we let him join the king in the guillotine.
Education has become socialistic by things like no child left behind, grade inflation to preserve self esteem, social promotion and making the whole system dependent on government control and funding.
Unemployment is not being abused? Seriously? We have people bailing left and right out of homes they owe too much on. Is it really that big a leap for you to accept people will look at accepting a government check, while working on the side?
Education has become socialistic by things like no child left behind, grade inflation to preserve self esteem, social promotion and making the whole system dependent on government control and funding.
Unemployment is not being abused? Seriously? We have people bailing left and right out of homes they owe too much on. Is it really that big a leap for you to accept people will look at accepting a government check, while working on the side?
i don't believe in grade inflation or social promotion. i also have issues with no child left behind because i think the funds would be better used to improve schools that are underperforming rather than allowing children from underpeforming schools to bring down the numbers in high performing schools.
how else would it be funded? its PUBLIC education.
if there are abuses, the abuses need to be addressed... but the system shouldn't be trashed for a small percentage of abuses. do you have actual and credible evidence as to a percentage of people collecting unemployment and working? if they are, they should be cut off and have to repay the money. i think that's also subject to criminal charges.
as for people's homes being underwater, well, i personally would never have taken all of the equity out of my home on the promise of some mortgage broker that he/she would re-fi me when the ARM kicked in in 5 years. I can't even begin to tell you how many mcmansions i did re-fi's on during the height of the bubble.
i'm afraid, though, that i don't understand how the house issue relates to the other issues that you consider 'socialistic'.
it seems like you choose the worst abuses and attribute them to 'socialism'. well, i see a purely capitalistic system as being one that destroys the middle class and creates a permanent underclass. I think history proves this to be true since a middle class doesn't really exist absent government protections.
(I give credit to Andrew Wilkow for this unbreakable argument) There is person 'A' and person 'B'. 'A' is a poverty stricken American that does not pay taxes. 'B' is a successful mechanic who owns a small business and pays taxes, and lives a very comfortable life. If 'A' is entitled to health care for simply existing (like the left wing claims), and 'B' is responsible to 'A' to provide that entitlement via paying taxes, then what did 'B' do to deserve to fall into the debt of 'A'?
Even more important; What is 'A's responsibility having received the entitlement without contributing to the system for it....to 'B' having been forced by federal government to provide it? Does 'A' owe it to 'B' to live a healthy lifestyle that is to refrain from excessive drinking, smoking, sex with hookers which can lead to STDs, obesity or anything else that a person can make that contribute to their health and wellbeing? Will the government force people to modify their behavior?
Is this not a type of economic slavery?
In conclusion, it is obvious that this kind of a system is detrimental to the concept of liberty, equality, and responsibility. Three important factors in a free society. 'A's and 'B's liberty is not looked at equally by the federal government, that is to say 'B' cannot refuse their obligation impelled by the government and refuse to pay the taxes that will be levied against them for this new entitlement through threat of incarceration and/or penalties.
To preserve, strengthen, and defend liberty...or to submit and fall for the lies of tyrannical oligarchy and socialism. The choice is obvious for anyone who values the prospects and the potential of the human being.
I am not saying the current system is where we need to be, I am saying we need to look to our founding, and a literal representaion of the constitution...and cut everything that is hurting America and the people in the federal government to return to prosperity...and i mean prosperity for everyone. For if those poor people can say, create a business EASIER...would they not be more prosperous? The current government puts up road blocks to prosperity instead of PROMOTING the growth of the talents of an individual so they can be successful.
Thanks for reading!
Education has become socialistic by things like no child left behind, grade inflation to preserve self esteem, social promotion and making the whole system dependent on government control and funding.
Unemployment is not being abused? Seriously? We have people bailing left and right out of homes they owe too much on. Is it really that big a leap for you to accept people will look at accepting a government check, while working on the side?
i don't believe in grade inflation or social promotion. i also have issues with no child left behind because i think the funds would be better used to improve schools that are underperforming rather than allowing children from underpeforming schools to bring down the numbers in high performing schools.
how else would it be funded? its PUBLIC education.
if there are abuses, the abuses need to be addressed... but the system shouldn't be trashed for a small percentage of abuses. do you have actual and credible evidence as to a percentage of people collecting unemployment and working? if they are, they should be cut off and have to repay the money. i think that's also subject to criminal charges.
as for people's homes being underwater, well, i personally would never have taken all of the equity out of my home on the promise of some mortgage broker that he/she would re-fi me when the ARM kicked in in 5 years. I can't even begin to tell you how many mcmansions i did re-fi's on during the height of the bubble.
i'm afraid, though, that i don't understand how the house issue relates to the other issues that you consider 'socialistic'.
it seems like you choose the worst abuses and attribute them to 'socialism'. well, i see a purely capitalistic system as being one that destroys the middle class and creates a permanent underclass. I think history proves this to be true since a middle class doesn't really exist absent government protections.
Capitalism is what started, grew and maintains a middle class.
Health care is a universal right.
Health care is a universal right.
(I give credit to Andrew Wilkow for this unbreakable argument) There is person 'A' and person 'B'. 'A' is a poverty stricken American that does not pay taxes. 'B' is a successful mechanic who owns a small business and pays taxes, and lives a very comfortable life. If 'A' is entitled to health care for simply existing (like the left wing claims), and 'B' is responsible to 'A' to provide that entitlement via paying taxes, then what did 'B' do to deserve to fall into the debt of 'A'?
Even more important; What is 'A's responsibility having received the entitlement without contributing to the system for it....to 'B' having been forced by federal government to provide it? Does 'A' owe it to 'B' to live a healthy lifestyle that is to refrain from excessive drinking, smoking, sex with hookers which can lead to STDs, obesity or anything else that a person can make that contribute to their health and wellbeing? Will the government force people to modify their behavior?
Is this not a type of economic slavery?
In conclusion, it is obvious that this kind of a system is detrimental to the concept of liberty, equality, and responsibility. Three important factors in a free society. 'A's and 'B's liberty is not looked at equally by the federal government, that is to say 'B' cannot refuse their obligation impelled by the government and refuse to pay the taxes that will be levied against them for this new entitlement through threat of incarceration and/or penalties.
To preserve, strengthen, and defend liberty...or to submit and fall for the lies of tyrannical oligarchy and socialism. The choice is obvious for anyone who values the prospects and the potential of the human being.
I am not saying the current system is where we need to be, I am saying we need to look to our founding, and a literal representaion of the constitution...and cut everything that is hurting America and the people in the federal government to return to prosperity...and i mean prosperity for everyone. For if those poor people can say, create a business EASIER...would they not be more prosperous? The current government puts up road blocks to prosperity instead of PROMOTING the growth of the talents of an individual so they can be successful.
Thanks for reading!
We say our tax rates are roughly 20% to 30% for the average American. But when you add all the taxes we pay, sales tax, property tax, hidden taxes on almost every commodity we buy we are really in about a 60% tax bracket. The average American is taxed so heavily he can't afford to spend and stimulate the economy. We are taxing ourselves to the point were growth is impossible. The cost of living keeps growing. Incomes remain flat or fall. Yet each year a higher percentage is taken in taxes. Don't let the federal income tax alone fool you. That's the game politicians love to play. Federal funding was cut drastically this year to many programs so federal income tax didn't have to rise. So that burden was pushed onto states and has been covered by increases to mass transit costs, increased vehicle registration fees, taxes on goods and services. Soft drinks just had major taxes added. Recycling fees added to plastic bottles. There is a new game in town and politicians are pros at playing it.
(I give credit to Andrew Wilkow for this unbreakable argument) There is person 'A' and person 'B'. 'A' is a poverty stricken American that does not pay taxes. 'B' is a successful mechanic who owns a small business and pays taxes, and lives a very comfortable life. If 'A' is entitled to health care for simply existing (like the left wing claims), and 'B' is responsible to 'A' to provide that entitlement via paying taxes, then what did 'B' do to deserve to fall into the debt of 'A'?
Even more important; What is 'A's responsibility having received the entitlement without contributing to the system for it....to 'B' having been forced by federal government to provide it? Does 'A' owe it to 'B' to live a healthy lifestyle that is to refrain from excessive drinking, smoking, sex with hookers which can lead to STDs, obesity or anything else that a person can make that contribute to their health and wellbeing? Will the government force people to modify their behavior?
Is this not a type of economic slavery?
In conclusion, it is obvious that this kind of a system is detrimental to the concept of liberty, equality, and responsibility. Three important factors in a free society. 'A's and 'B's liberty is not looked at equally by the federal government, that is to say 'B' cannot refuse their obligation impelled by the government and refuse to pay the taxes that will be levied against them for this new entitlement through threat of incarceration and/or penalties.
To preserve, strengthen, and defend liberty...or to submit and fall for the lies of tyrannical oligarchy and socialism. The choice is obvious for anyone who values the prospects and the potential of the human being.
I am not saying the current system is where we need to be, I am saying we need to look to our founding, and a literal representaion of the constitution...and cut everything that is hurting America and the people in the federal government to return to prosperity...and i mean prosperity for everyone. For if those poor people can say, create a business EASIER...would they not be more prosperous? The current government puts up road blocks to prosperity instead of PROMOTING the growth of the talents of an individual so they can be successful.
Thanks for reading!
