Can Any Rightwinger Give Me A Solid Argument Why Private Industry Instead Of Government Should Run..

[Andylusion]

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

LOL.

Proving once again, any idiot with an opinion, can end up in an Oxford Journal.

Here's what I know... not from ivory pin heads, but from direct contact with Cuban exiles, and missionary trips to Cuba.

Our missionaries reported back that we should send them.... .Aspirin. Why? Because getting Aspirin in Cuba, is like finding gold along the interstate.

The average Cuba has no access to even Aspirin. Cubans are often delivered to hospitals in their own cars, are wheel borrows. They have little to no ambulance service.

Cuba 'doctors' are not qualified to even be an aid to a nurse, by our educational standards. Hospitals are largely neglected, and in a dilapidated state.

Cubans are not legally allowed to use hospitals for tourists, at tourists resorts.

Doctors in Cuba do not report infants that die, because doing so can result in them losing their jobs.

Health care in Cuba is a joke. Your article refers to the limits of disease in Cuba, and it's limited infrastructure, forgetting that nearly all of it's infrastructure is due to Cuba's Capitalists past, which during the 1950s, was on par with America.

Considering where we are today, verses where Cuba is today, giving it's parity in the past, is more than enough of an indictment of the socialist train wreck, known as Cuba.

Your amateur night propaganda is a new low, even by right-wing, fascist standards. Tell us how many times you've been to Cuba? How's your Spanish? Missionaries?

All you have done, is proven your ignorance. You should learn more about the topic, before speaking. Prevents others from noticing how uninformed you are.

Cuba s Much Lauded Health Care System No Longer Has Even Aspirin to Give Us Yoani Sanchez

From the Huffington Post, just to rub your mindless face in it.

2011???
Are you that far out of touch, Homeschool?
Try Cuba 2014 if you're not afraid of reality, which, of course, you are, or you wouldn't rub your nose in every pile of corporate shit you come across.
"Public Funding

"Due to the fact that Cuba’s health system is principally funded by the state, free preventive medical treatment and diagnostic testing are offered the people as a mainstay of its healthcare ethos. Cuba also offers certain free medications and other subsidizing options as an added value to the people. This keeps healthcare cheaper while also keeping the public perhaps healthier than it otherwise might be.

"Prevention and Primary Care

"Cuba subscribes to the Alma Ata Declaration, guaranteeing 'Health for All.' Cuba thus focuses largely on its primary care. Many research experts claim that Cuba maintains this dedication to 'health for all' more comprehensively than anywhere else in the world, especially the US. As the benchmark of the Cuban healthcare system is primary care, the resulting system roots itself in a social health that seeks not only to aid its people, but also to engender a nation-wide culture of health. The people thus see the benefits of universal healthcare and these, its other components, and they endeavor democratically to improve upon it."

American Health Care a Cuban Fix CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

You are mindless fool, parroting everything around you.

You dumb worthless bit of trash... You posted a Krugman Blog post from 2007. Then a Oxford Journal post from 2006. I post something from 2011, and you are so stupid that you say "
2011??? Are you that far out of touch, Homeschool?"

Really? You are that dumb? You are so stupid, you point out your own idiocy, by posting two articles from 8 years ago, and then complain I posted something from 3 years ago?

And here you post from Counter-Punch? At least Oxford Journal had some historic credibility with the name.

So some twit on Counter-Punch, who says that Capitalism is the cause of the drug cartels in Mexico... and you think he's an unbiased source of information?

So let's look at his claims....

Access

In order to shrink the existing disparity in its people’s healthcare, Cuba endeavored for complete accessibility. Increased accessibility thus led to the adoption of a universal system, one which yielded unprecedented levels of healthcare for all Cubans. By 1999, Cuba boasted one doctor per every 175 Cubans. With greater access and a new system predicated on it, new medical jobs were also created around the country

So he claims they have universal access to health care. Proof? One doctor for every 175 Cubans.

So what? Simply having more doctors, doesn't mean people care getting care. First, what does 'doctor' mean? A few years back, Cuba sent some doctors to Venezuela, because Chavez screwed the country so bad with socialism, the doctors all left.

Some of the doctors escaped... they were actually under guard, but managed to escape, and some defected to the US. Those "doctors" were not even qualified to be a nurses aid. They had minimal training, and no familarity with modern medical equipment.

If we fired all the doctors in the US, and replaced them all with nurses aids, we could have 1 'doctor' for every 175 citizens too.

Further, a doctor is only useful provided he has the material to help. Most Cuban Hospital don't have old X-rays and CT-Scans, let alone the newer higher technology units common in America.

When you have more access to crap, that doesn't make having more access a positive.

Ingenuity and Innovation

Cuban policy allocates large amounts of funding to research. A poorer nation than the US, Cuba actually strives to comply with World Health Organization recommendations: Cuba funds a percentage of all health-related costs, as well a portion of its research and training programs. This is also born out of necessity; due to the US and its embargo-driven transgressions against the poor island nations, many vaccinations had to be developed in-house, rather than traded-for, with other nations. Still, Cuba has funded many break-through revolutions in the medical field. The US needs to have at least the same policy toward funding its medical research.

Stupid socialist excuses. You idiots never fact check jack squat. Most of the vaccines we use in the US, come from the UK. The UK has no embargo against Cuba. What's your excuse now? No, the reason Cuba has no vaccines, is because socialism ruins everything, and it's ruined their health care system.

Public Funding

Due to the fact that Cuba’s health system is principally funded by the state, free preventive medical treatment and diagnostic testing are offered the people as a mainstay of its healthcare ethos. Cuba also offers certain free medications and other subsidizing options as an added value to the people. This keeps healthcare cheaper while also keeping the public perhaps healthier than it otherwise might be.

Right, they can get all their medications free... unfortunately there are no medications to get, but if there were, they would be free.

Empty shelves. That's what most Cubans get.

I'm not going to bother going over the rest of his hearsay and drivel. He had no facts, no evidence, tons of claims, and zero support.

Instead, I'm just going to post reality. Christopher P. Baker, member of National Geographic, went to Cuba in 2011.

The Downside of Cuba s Healthcare System - Moon Travel Guides

Read his direct, on the ground report of the state of Cuban Health care.

QUOTE.....

A few weeks ago while escorting a National Geographic Expeditions’ 10-day “Cuba: Discover its Culture & People” trip, one of the participants fell ill with a serious dental problem.
I accompanied her to the Clínica Internacional—the foreigners-only International Clinic–Cienfuegos. Cuba’s best medical services are reserved for foreign tourists paying hard currency. This was no exception. An English-speaking doctor saw us immediately.

She identified an abcess and recommended we visit the dental ward at Cienfuegos Hospital. We were transferred in a low-tech ambulance.

The hospital’s broken windows and screens were an ill omen of worse to come: The black ring (caused by a million grubby hands) around the door handle to the dental ward, suggested it hadn’t been cleaned since the revolution.

We were admitted immediately to the ward and seated at one of a dozen stations. The first image took my breath away. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Dental instruments were sitting in a tray that hadn’t been cleaned—not even wiped!—in ages. Literally, my best guess is in months, if not years! A microscopic study might well have revealed every known bacteria under the sun. In Europe or North America, the hospital would be instantly closed as a health hazard. The travelers looked up at me with a mix of revulsion and near-panic.

Fortunately, the female dentist didn’t need to place any instrument in her mouth. Instead, she looked into her mouth and instantly confirmed the abcess, then wrote a prescription for antibiotics, which the international clinic had in stock

The next day, while walking along Cienfuegos’ main shopping street (El Búlevar), the group paused to peruse the local pharmacy that serves local Cubans. I counted barely a handful of drugs (all locally produced) for sale on the sparsely stocked shelves.

What a study in contrasts…! The barebones Cubans-only pharmacies. And the foreigners-only pharmacies fully stocked with imported drugs.

The Cuban government disingenuously tells Cubans that the U.S. embargo is to blame for the critical shortage of basic medicines (although it is true that the U.S. embargo blocks sales of most U.S.-made products), reminding me of President Jimmy Carter’s admonition (presented live on Cuban TV during his visit to Cuba in January 2001) that Cuba can buy all the drugs its needs from Mexico, Brazil, etc. at prices well below those charged in the United States.

END QUOTE

And if that's not enough, I have thousands more with similar stories. But my favorite is a recent WikiLeaks Cable from our Cuban embassy.

Michael E. Parmly, the US governments man in Cuba, had a Foreign Service Health Practitioner, a woman doctor who worked at the Embassy. Her experiences with Cubans, and an unauthorized visit to a Cuban hospital, were collected into a report, which was cabled back to DC.

Cable 08HAVANA103 a

The cable contains dozens on dozens of reports from Cubans living in Cuba, about their health care system. You can read through them if you like, but I'd like to highlight just TWO of those.

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A 40-year old pregnant Cuban woman had a miscarriage. At the OB-Gyn hospital they used a primitive manual vacuum to aspirate the contents of her womb, without any anesthesia or pain medicine. She was offered no emotional support for her 'loss' and no pain medication or follow up appointments.
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A MANUAL VACUUM.... used on a woman who miscarried.......? With NO PAIN MEDICATION AT ALL. Really??? This is like barbaric caveman crap. And this is what you want us to model our system after? You socialist neanderthals want this?

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Many young cancer patients reportedly have become infected with Hepatitis C after their surgeries. Contracting Hepatitis C after surgery indicates a lack of proper blood screening prior to administering transfusions. All blood should be screened for Hepatitis B, C, HIV and Syphilis prior to use. Patients have no recourse and are not fully informed of the seriousness of such an inadvertent infection.
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They are not screening the blood they use for transfusions, and are infecting people with Hep C, and they are not told, and they have no recourse? Really??? You freakin sub-human Socialists want that as your health care system???

Cuban health care is terrible. You dumb as rocks socialists, are too stupid to see reality, if it slapped you in the face.

 

[georgephillip]

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

Note: once of the sources for your propaganda:

3Hospital Universitario ‘Dr Gustavo Aldereguia Lima’, Cienfuegos, Cuba.

You're spouting communist propaganda.

Oxford Journals are communist propaganda?
Oxford Journals

I don't know if the Oxford Journal itself is propaganda, but that specific article is without a doubt 100% propaganda. It's bull crap. The garbage about the qualify of Cuba health care has been refuted so many times, by so many source, not the least of which is former Cubans, that to still believe that crap, places a person in the hopelessly ignorant category.

"Some[weasel words] claim an overall improvement in terms of disease and infant mortality rates in the 1960s.[2]

"Like the rest of the Cuban economy, Cuban medical care suffered following the end of Sovietsubsidies in 1991; the stepping up of the US embargo against Cuba at this time also had an effect.[3]

"Cuba has one of the highest life expectancy rates in the region, with the average citizen living to 78.05 years old[4] (in comparison to the United States' 78.62 years[5])."
Health care in Cuba - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Does that include fatal injury adjustments? Since there is little crime in a police state, and not many accidents in a country where people can't afford, or get even if they could afford, a new car.... do you take that into account in your life expectancy?

Of course not. That wouldn't help your claim would it. Moving on.

"For a visitor from the United States, Cuba is disorienting. American cars are everywhere, but they all date from the 1950s at the latest. Our bank cards, credit cards, and smartphones don't work. Internet access is virtually nonexistent. And the Cuban health care system also seems unreal.

"There are too many doctors.

"Everybody has a family physician. Everything is free, totally free — and not after prior approval or some copay. The whole system seems turned upside down. It is tightly organized, and the first priority is prevention.

"Although Cuba has limited economic resources, its health care system has solved some problems that ours has not yet managed to address.1,2

"Family physicians, along with their nurses and other health workers, are responsible for delivering primary care and preventive services to their panel of patients — about 1000 patients per physician in urban areas.

"All care delivery is organized at the local level, and the patients and their caregivers generally live in the same community. The medical records in cardboard folders are simple and handwritten, not unlike those we used in the United States 50 years ago.

"But the system is surprisingly information-rich and focused on population health..."

"Every patient is visited at home once a year, and those with chronic conditions receive visits more frequently. When necessary, patients can be referred to a district polyclinic for specialty evaluation, but they return to the community team for ongoing treatment.

"For example, the team is responsible for seeing that a patient with tuberculosis follows the assigned antimicrobial regimen and gets sputum checks.

"House calls and discussions with family members are common tactics for addressing problems with compliance or follow-up and even for failure to protect against unwanted pregnancy.

"In an effort to control mosquito-borne infections such as dengue, the local health team goes into homes to conduct inspections and teach people about getting rid of standing water, for example."

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[westwall]

Note: once of the sources for your propaganda:

3Hospital Universitario ‘Dr Gustavo Aldereguia Lima’, Cienfuegos, Cuba.

You're spouting communist propaganda.

Oxford Journals are communist propaganda?
Oxford Journals

I don't know if the Oxford Journal itself is propaganda, but that specific article is without a doubt 100% propaganda. It's bull crap. The garbage about the qualify of Cuba health care has been refuted so many times, by so many source, not the least of which is former Cubans, that to still believe that crap, places a person in the hopelessly ignorant category.

"Some[weasel words] claim an overall improvement in terms of disease and infant mortality rates in the 1960s.[2]

"Like the rest of the Cuban economy, Cuban medical care suffered following the end of Sovietsubsidies in 1991; the stepping up of the US embargo against Cuba at this time also had an effect.[3]

"Cuba has one of the highest life expectancy rates in the region, with the average citizen living to 78.05 years old[4] (in comparison to the United States' 78.62 years[5])."
Health care in Cuba - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Does that include fatal injury adjustments? Since there is little crime in a police state, and not many accidents in a country where people can't afford, or get even if they could afford, a new car.... do you take that into account in your life expectancy?

Of course not. That wouldn't help your claim would it. Moving on.

"For a visitor from the United States, Cuba is disorienting. American cars are everywhere, but they all date from the 1950s at the latest. Our bank cards, credit cards, and smartphones don't work. Internet access is virtually nonexistent. And the Cuban health care system also seems unreal.

"There are too many doctors.

"Everybody has a family physician. Everything is free, totally free — and not after prior approval or some copay. The whole system seems turned upside down. It is tightly organized, and the first priority is prevention.

"Although Cuba has limited economic resources, its health care system has solved some problems that ours has not yet managed to address.1,2

"Family physicians, along with their nurses and other health workers, are responsible for delivering primary care and preventive services to their panel of patients — about 1000 patients per physician in urban areas.

"All care delivery is organized at the local level, and the patients and their caregivers generally live in the same community. The medical records in cardboard folders are simple and handwritten, not unlike those we used in the United States 50 years ago.

"But the system is surprisingly information-rich and focused on population health..."

"Every patient is visited at home once a year, and those with chronic conditions receive visits more frequently. When necessary, patients can be referred to a district polyclinic for specialty evaluation, but they return to the community team for ongoing treatment.

"For example, the team is responsible for seeing that a patient with tuberculosis follows the assigned antimicrobial regimen and gets sputum checks.

"House calls and discussions with family members are common tactics for addressing problems with compliance or follow-up and even for failure to protect against unwanted pregnancy.

"In an effort to control mosquito-borne infections such as dengue, the local health team goes into homes to conduct inspections and teach people about getting rid of standing water, for example."

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Awwwww man, you stopped it before the best part....



"But one should not romanticize Cuban health care. The system is not designed for consumer choice or individual initiatives. There is no alternative, private-payer health system. Physicians get government benefits such as housing and food subsidies, but they are paid only about $20 per month. Their education is free, and they are respected, but they are unlikely to attain personal wealth. Cuba is a country where 80% of the citizens work for the government, and the government manages the budgets. In a community health clinic, signs tell patients how much their free care is actually costing the system (see photoPoster Indicating the Actual Costs of Care Provided Free of Charge to Cuban Patients.), but no market forces compel efficiency. Resources are limited, as we learned in meeting with Cuban medical and public health professionals as part of a group of editors from the United States. A nephrologist in Cienfuegos, 160 miles south of Havana, lists 77 patients on dialysis in the province, which on a population basis is about 40% of the current U.S. rate — similar to what the U.S. rate was in 1985. A neurologist reports that his hospital got a CT scanner only 12 years ago. U.S. students who are enrolled in a Cuban medical school say that operating rooms run quickly and efficiently but with very little technology. Access to information through the Internet is minimal. One medical student reports being limited to 30 minutes per week of dial-up access. This limitation, like many of the resource constraints that affect progress, is blamed on the long-standing U.S. economic embargo, but there may be other forces in the central government working against rapid, easy communication among Cubans and with the United States."

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[georgephillip]

Oxford Journals are communist propaganda?
Oxford Journals

I don't know if the Oxford Journal itself is propaganda, but that specific article is without a doubt 100% propaganda. It's bull crap. The garbage about the qualify of Cuba health care has been refuted so many times, by so many source, not the least of which is former Cubans, that to still believe that crap, places a person in the hopelessly ignorant category.

"Some[weasel words] claim an overall improvement in terms of disease and infant mortality rates in the 1960s.[2]

"Like the rest of the Cuban economy, Cuban medical care suffered following the end of Sovietsubsidies in 1991; the stepping up of the US embargo against Cuba at this time also had an effect.[3]

"Cuba has one of the highest life expectancy rates in the region, with the average citizen living to 78.05 years old[4] (in comparison to the United States' 78.62 years[5])."
Health care in Cuba - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Does that include fatal injury adjustments? Since there is little crime in a police state, and not many accidents in a country where people can't afford, or get even if they could afford, a new car.... do you take that into account in your life expectancy?

Of course not. That wouldn't help your claim would it. Moving on.

"For a visitor from the United States, Cuba is disorienting. American cars are everywhere, but they all date from the 1950s at the latest. Our bank cards, credit cards, and smartphones don't work. Internet access is virtually nonexistent. And the Cuban health care system also seems unreal.

"There are too many doctors.

"Everybody has a family physician. Everything is free, totally free — and not after prior approval or some copay. The whole system seems turned upside down. It is tightly organized, and the first priority is prevention.

"Although Cuba has limited economic resources, its health care system has solved some problems that ours has not yet managed to address.1,2

"Family physicians, along with their nurses and other health workers, are responsible for delivering primary care and preventive services to their panel of patients — about 1000 patients per physician in urban areas.

"All care delivery is organized at the local level, and the patients and their caregivers generally live in the same community. The medical records in cardboard folders are simple and handwritten, not unlike those we used in the United States 50 years ago.

"But the system is surprisingly information-rich and focused on population health..."

"Every patient is visited at home once a year, and those with chronic conditions receive visits more frequently. When necessary, patients can be referred to a district polyclinic for specialty evaluation, but they return to the community team for ongoing treatment.

"For example, the team is responsible for seeing that a patient with tuberculosis follows the assigned antimicrobial regimen and gets sputum checks.

"House calls and discussions with family members are common tactics for addressing problems with compliance or follow-up and even for failure to protect against unwanted pregnancy.

"In an effort to control mosquito-borne infections such as dengue, the local health team goes into homes to conduct inspections and teach people about getting rid of standing water, for example."

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Awwwww man, you stopped it before the best part....



"But one should not romanticize Cuban health care. The system is not designed for consumer choice or individual initiatives. There is no alternative, private-payer health system. Physicians get government benefits such as housing and food subsidies, but they are paid only about $20 per month. Their education is free, and they are respected, but they are unlikely to attain personal wealth. Cuba is a country where 80% of the citizens work for the government, and the government manages the budgets. In a community health clinic, signs tell patients how much their free care is actually costing the system (see photoPoster Indicating the Actual Costs of Care Provided Free of Charge to Cuban Patients.), but no market forces compel efficiency. Resources are limited, as we learned in meeting with Cuban medical and public health professionals as part of a group of editors from the United States. A nephrologist in Cienfuegos, 160 miles south of Havana, lists 77 patients on dialysis in the province, which on a population basis is about 40% of the current U.S. rate — similar to what the U.S. rate was in 1985. A neurologist reports that his hospital got a CT scanner only 12 years ago. U.S. students who are enrolled in a Cuban medical school say that operating rooms run quickly and efficiently but with very little technology. Access to information through the Internet is minimal. One medical student reports being limited to 30 minutes per week of dial-up access. This limitation, like many of the resource constraints that affect progress, is blamed on the long-standing U.S. economic embargo, but there may be other forces in the central government working against rapid, easy communication among Cubans and with the United States."

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You're right... I knew it had to happen sometime
"Any visitor can see that Cuba remains far from a developed country in basic infrastructure such as roads, housing, plumbing, and sanitation.

"Nonetheless, Cubans are beginning to face the same health problems the developed world faces, with increasing rates of coronary disease and obesity and an aging population (11.7% of Cubans are now 65 years of age or older).

"Their unusual health care system addresses those problems in ways that grew out of Cuba's peculiar political and economic history, but the system they have created — with a physician for everyone, an early focus on prevention, and clear attention to community health — may inform progress in other countries as well."
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[Andylusion]

I don't know if the Oxford Journal itself is propaganda, but that specific article is without a doubt 100% propaganda. It's bull crap. The garbage about the qualify of Cuba health care has been refuted so many times, by so many source, not the least of which is former Cubans, that to still believe that crap, places a person in the hopelessly ignorant category.

"Some[weasel words] claim an overall improvement in terms of disease and infant mortality rates in the 1960s.[2]

"Like the rest of the Cuban economy, Cuban medical care suffered following the end of Sovietsubsidies in 1991; the stepping up of the US embargo against Cuba at this time also had an effect.[3]

"Cuba has one of the highest life expectancy rates in the region, with the average citizen living to 78.05 years old[4] (in comparison to the United States' 78.62 years[5])."
Health care in Cuba - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Does that include fatal injury adjustments? Since there is little crime in a police state, and not many accidents in a country where people can't afford, or get even if they could afford, a new car.... do you take that into account in your life expectancy?

Of course not. That wouldn't help your claim would it. Moving on.

"For a visitor from the United States, Cuba is disorienting. American cars are everywhere, but they all date from the 1950s at the latest. Our bank cards, credit cards, and smartphones don't work. Internet access is virtually nonexistent. And the Cuban health care system also seems unreal.

"There are too many doctors.

"Everybody has a family physician. Everything is free, totally free — and not after prior approval or some copay. The whole system seems turned upside down. It is tightly organized, and the first priority is prevention.

"Although Cuba has limited economic resources, its health care system has solved some problems that ours has not yet managed to address.1,2

"Family physicians, along with their nurses and other health workers, are responsible for delivering primary care and preventive services to their panel of patients — about 1000 patients per physician in urban areas.

"All care delivery is organized at the local level, and the patients and their caregivers generally live in the same community. The medical records in cardboard folders are simple and handwritten, not unlike those we used in the United States 50 years ago.

"But the system is surprisingly information-rich and focused on population health..."

"Every patient is visited at home once a year, and those with chronic conditions receive visits more frequently. When necessary, patients can be referred to a district polyclinic for specialty evaluation, but they return to the community team for ongoing treatment.

"For example, the team is responsible for seeing that a patient with tuberculosis follows the assigned antimicrobial regimen and gets sputum checks.

"House calls and discussions with family members are common tactics for addressing problems with compliance or follow-up and even for failure to protect against unwanted pregnancy.

"In an effort to control mosquito-borne infections such as dengue, the local health team goes into homes to conduct inspections and teach people about getting rid of standing water, for example."

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Awwwww man, you stopped it before the best part....



"But one should not romanticize Cuban health care. The system is not designed for consumer choice or individual initiatives. There is no alternative, private-payer health system. Physicians get government benefits such as housing and food subsidies, but they are paid only about $20 per month. Their education is free, and they are respected, but they are unlikely to attain personal wealth. Cuba is a country where 80% of the citizens work for the government, and the government manages the budgets. In a community health clinic, signs tell patients how much their free care is actually costing the system (see photoPoster Indicating the Actual Costs of Care Provided Free of Charge to Cuban Patients.), but no market forces compel efficiency. Resources are limited, as we learned in meeting with Cuban medical and public health professionals as part of a group of editors from the United States. A nephrologist in Cienfuegos, 160 miles south of Havana, lists 77 patients on dialysis in the province, which on a population basis is about 40% of the current U.S. rate — similar to what the U.S. rate was in 1985. A neurologist reports that his hospital got a CT scanner only 12 years ago. U.S. students who are enrolled in a Cuban medical school say that operating rooms run quickly and efficiently but with very little technology. Access to information through the Internet is minimal. One medical student reports being limited to 30 minutes per week of dial-up access. This limitation, like many of the resource constraints that affect progress, is blamed on the long-standing U.S. economic embargo, but there may be other forces in the central government working against rapid, easy communication among Cubans and with the United States."

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You're right... I knew it had to happen sometime
"Any visitor can see that Cuba remains far from a developed country in basic infrastructure such as roads, housing, plumbing, and sanitation.

"Nonetheless, Cubans are beginning to face the same health problems the developed world faces, with increasing rates of coronary disease and obesity and an aging population (11.7% of Cubans are now 65 years of age or older).

"Their unusual health care system addresses those problems in ways that grew out of Cuba's peculiar political and economic history, but the system they have created — with a physician for everyone, an early focus on prevention, and clear attention to community health — may inform progress in other countries as well."
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You missed the point thought.... Cuba *WAS* a developed country, with infrastructure and reads and plumbing on par with America.... in the 1950s Capitalists based system.

*NOW* under the socialized system, it's not.

You people on the left seems to miss this concept that the system which creates growth and development, can't be replaced without destroying that growth and development.

Wealth is not static. It is either growing, and collapsing. It's not like if you build up a society using the capitalist model, and then change models, that all that wealth that build society will stay static. Wealth is never static.

Cuba s Housing Crisis Worsens

The residents of 308 Oquendo Street were jolted awake in the middle of the night by violent shaking and a noise that they likened to a freight train, or an exploding bomb.
Part of their building's seventh floor had collapsed into the interior patio, heavily damaging apartments on the floors below. No one died, but the 120 families living in the building were left homeless.

Despite reforms in recent years to address the island's housing problem, such building collapses remain common in Cuba, where decades of neglect and a dearth of new home construction have left untold thousands of islanders living in crowded structures at risk of suddenly falling down.

Do you see? The reason Cuba is in ruins, is not because it was 'never' developed, but rather because the economic system that created that development was eliminated. Now it's in ruins. That building, like all the homes in Cuba, were built during the Capitalist era. They had plumbing, and roads, and many of the things YOU take for granted in America.

Now they have adopted your ideology, and they don't even have Aspirin.

 

[georgephillip]

"Some[weasel words] claim an overall improvement in terms of disease and infant mortality rates in the 1960s.[2]

"Like the rest of the Cuban economy, Cuban medical care suffered following the end of Sovietsubsidies in 1991; the stepping up of the US embargo against Cuba at this time also had an effect.[3]

"Cuba has one of the highest life expectancy rates in the region, with the average citizen living to 78.05 years old[4] (in comparison to the United States' 78.62 years[5])."
Health care in Cuba - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Does that include fatal injury adjustments? Since there is little crime in a police state, and not many accidents in a country where people can't afford, or get even if they could afford, a new car.... do you take that into account in your life expectancy?

Of course not. That wouldn't help your claim would it. Moving on.

"For a visitor from the United States, Cuba is disorienting. American cars are everywhere, but they all date from the 1950s at the latest. Our bank cards, credit cards, and smartphones don't work. Internet access is virtually nonexistent. And the Cuban health care system also seems unreal.

"There are too many doctors.

"Everybody has a family physician. Everything is free, totally free — and not after prior approval or some copay. The whole system seems turned upside down. It is tightly organized, and the first priority is prevention.

"Although Cuba has limited economic resources, its health care system has solved some problems that ours has not yet managed to address.1,2

"Family physicians, along with their nurses and other health workers, are responsible for delivering primary care and preventive services to their panel of patients — about 1000 patients per physician in urban areas.

"All care delivery is organized at the local level, and the patients and their caregivers generally live in the same community. The medical records in cardboard folders are simple and handwritten, not unlike those we used in the United States 50 years ago.

"But the system is surprisingly information-rich and focused on population health..."

"Every patient is visited at home once a year, and those with chronic conditions receive visits more frequently. When necessary, patients can be referred to a district polyclinic for specialty evaluation, but they return to the community team for ongoing treatment.

"For example, the team is responsible for seeing that a patient with tuberculosis follows the assigned antimicrobial regimen and gets sputum checks.

"House calls and discussions with family members are common tactics for addressing problems with compliance or follow-up and even for failure to protect against unwanted pregnancy.

"In an effort to control mosquito-borne infections such as dengue, the local health team goes into homes to conduct inspections and teach people about getting rid of standing water, for example."

MMS Error

Awwwww man, you stopped it before the best part....



"But one should not romanticize Cuban health care. The system is not designed for consumer choice or individual initiatives. There is no alternative, private-payer health system. Physicians get government benefits such as housing and food subsidies, but they are paid only about $20 per month. Their education is free, and they are respected, but they are unlikely to attain personal wealth. Cuba is a country where 80% of the citizens work for the government, and the government manages the budgets. In a community health clinic, signs tell patients how much their free care is actually costing the system (see photoPoster Indicating the Actual Costs of Care Provided Free of Charge to Cuban Patients.), but no market forces compel efficiency. Resources are limited, as we learned in meeting with Cuban medical and public health professionals as part of a group of editors from the United States. A nephrologist in Cienfuegos, 160 miles south of Havana, lists 77 patients on dialysis in the province, which on a population basis is about 40% of the current U.S. rate — similar to what the U.S. rate was in 1985. A neurologist reports that his hospital got a CT scanner only 12 years ago. U.S. students who are enrolled in a Cuban medical school say that operating rooms run quickly and efficiently but with very little technology. Access to information through the Internet is minimal. One medical student reports being limited to 30 minutes per week of dial-up access. This limitation, like many of the resource constraints that affect progress, is blamed on the long-standing U.S. economic embargo, but there may be other forces in the central government working against rapid, easy communication among Cubans and with the United States."

MMS Error

You're right... I knew it had to happen sometime
"Any visitor can see that Cuba remains far from a developed country in basic infrastructure such as roads, housing, plumbing, and sanitation.

"Nonetheless, Cubans are beginning to face the same health problems the developed world faces, with increasing rates of coronary disease and obesity and an aging population (11.7% of Cubans are now 65 years of age or older).

"Their unusual health care system addresses those problems in ways that grew out of Cuba's peculiar political and economic history, but the system they have created — with a physician for everyone, an early focus on prevention, and clear attention to community health — may inform progress in other countries as well."
MMS Error

You missed the point thought.... Cuba *WAS* a developed country, with infrastructure and reads and plumbing on par with America.... in the 1950s Capitalists based system.

*NOW* under the socialized system, it's not.

You people on the left seems to miss this concept that the system which creates growth and development, can't be replaced without destroying that growth and development.

Wealth is not static. It is either growing, and collapsing. It's not like if you build up a society using the capitalist model, and then change models, that all that wealth that build society will stay static. Wealth is never static.

Cuba s Housing Crisis Worsens

The residents of 308 Oquendo Street were jolted awake in the middle of the night by violent shaking and a noise that they likened to a freight train, or an exploding bomb.
Part of their building's seventh floor had collapsed into the interior patio, heavily damaging apartments on the floors below. No one died, but the 120 families living in the building were left homeless.

Despite reforms in recent years to address the island's housing problem, such building collapses remain common in Cuba, where decades of neglect and a dearth of new home construction have left untold thousands of islanders living in crowded structures at risk of suddenly falling down.

Do you see? The reason Cuba is in ruins, is not because it was 'never' developed, but rather because the economic system that created that development was eliminated. Now it's in ruins. That building, like all the homes in Cuba, were built during the Capitalist era. They had plumbing, and roads, and many of the things YOU take for granted in America.

Now they have adopted your ideology, and they don't even have Aspirin.

Cuba was not "on a par" with the US in the 1950s.
Why would you insult your readers' intelligence with such a transparent lie?
"In March 1952, a few months after a poll in the magazine Bohemiafore told that he would loose his bid for the Cuban presidency;Fulgencio Batista took over the Cuban government in bloodless coup d'état.

"The U.S., already familiar with Batista from their previous collaboration in the 1930s and his presidency in 1940, recognized his government within two weeks."
Cuba in the 1950s

 

[iamwhatiseem]

When your government is completely saturated with corporate and special interest corruption...what is the difference?
Actually by what we see with ACA - it is worse. All they did was force worthless coverage at a high cost, when before at least the plans that were crap - were also cheap. Now it all cost more.

 

[bripat9643]

Does that include fatal injury adjustments? Since there is little crime in a police state, and not many accidents in a country where people can't afford, or get even if they could afford, a new car.... do you take that into account in your life expectancy?

Of course not. That wouldn't help your claim would it. Moving on.

"For a visitor from the United States, Cuba is disorienting. American cars are everywhere, but they all date from the 1950s at the latest. Our bank cards, credit cards, and smartphones don't work. Internet access is virtually nonexistent. And the Cuban health care system also seems unreal.

"There are too many doctors.

"Everybody has a family physician. Everything is free, totally free — and not after prior approval or some copay. The whole system seems turned upside down. It is tightly organized, and the first priority is prevention.

"Although Cuba has limited economic resources, its health care system has solved some problems that ours has not yet managed to address.1,2

"Family physicians, along with their nurses and other health workers, are responsible for delivering primary care and preventive services to their panel of patients — about 1000 patients per physician in urban areas.

"All care delivery is organized at the local level, and the patients and their caregivers generally live in the same community. The medical records in cardboard folders are simple and handwritten, not unlike those we used in the United States 50 years ago.

"But the system is surprisingly information-rich and focused on population health..."

"Every patient is visited at home once a year, and those with chronic conditions receive visits more frequently. When necessary, patients can be referred to a district polyclinic for specialty evaluation, but they return to the community team for ongoing treatment.

"For example, the team is responsible for seeing that a patient with tuberculosis follows the assigned antimicrobial regimen and gets sputum checks.

"House calls and discussions with family members are common tactics for addressing problems with compliance or follow-up and even for failure to protect against unwanted pregnancy.

"In an effort to control mosquito-borne infections such as dengue, the local health team goes into homes to conduct inspections and teach people about getting rid of standing water, for example."

MMS Error

Awwwww man, you stopped it before the best part....



"But one should not romanticize Cuban health care. The system is not designed for consumer choice or individual initiatives. There is no alternative, private-payer health system. Physicians get government benefits such as housing and food subsidies, but they are paid only about $20 per month. Their education is free, and they are respected, but they are unlikely to attain personal wealth. Cuba is a country where 80% of the citizens work for the government, and the government manages the budgets. In a community health clinic, signs tell patients how much their free care is actually costing the system (see photoPoster Indicating the Actual Costs of Care Provided Free of Charge to Cuban Patients.), but no market forces compel efficiency. Resources are limited, as we learned in meeting with Cuban medical and public health professionals as part of a group of editors from the United States. A nephrologist in Cienfuegos, 160 miles south of Havana, lists 77 patients on dialysis in the province, which on a population basis is about 40% of the current U.S. rate — similar to what the U.S. rate was in 1985. A neurologist reports that his hospital got a CT scanner only 12 years ago. U.S. students who are enrolled in a Cuban medical school say that operating rooms run quickly and efficiently but with very little technology. Access to information through the Internet is minimal. One medical student reports being limited to 30 minutes per week of dial-up access. This limitation, like many of the resource constraints that affect progress, is blamed on the long-standing U.S. economic embargo, but there may be other forces in the central government working against rapid, easy communication among Cubans and with the United States."

MMS Error

You're right... I knew it had to happen sometime
"Any visitor can see that Cuba remains far from a developed country in basic infrastructure such as roads, housing, plumbing, and sanitation.

"Nonetheless, Cubans are beginning to face the same health problems the developed world faces, with increasing rates of coronary disease and obesity and an aging population (11.7% of Cubans are now 65 years of age or older).

"Their unusual health care system addresses those problems in ways that grew out of Cuba's peculiar political and economic history, but the system they have created — with a physician for everyone, an early focus on prevention, and clear attention to community health — may inform progress in other countries as well."
MMS Error

You missed the point thought.... Cuba *WAS* a developed country, with infrastructure and reads and plumbing on par with America.... in the 1950s Capitalists based system.

*NOW* under the socialized system, it's not.

You people on the left seems to miss this concept that the system which creates growth and development, can't be replaced without destroying that growth and development.

Wealth is not static. It is either growing, and collapsing. It's not like if you build up a society using the capitalist model, and then change models, that all that wealth that build society will stay static. Wealth is never static.

Cuba s Housing Crisis Worsens

The residents of 308 Oquendo Street were jolted awake in the middle of the night by violent shaking and a noise that they likened to a freight train, or an exploding bomb.
Part of their building's seventh floor had collapsed into the interior patio, heavily damaging apartments on the floors below. No one died, but the 120 families living in the building were left homeless.

Despite reforms in recent years to address the island's housing problem, such building collapses remain common in Cuba, where decades of neglect and a dearth of new home construction have left untold thousands of islanders living in crowded structures at risk of suddenly falling down.

Do you see? The reason Cuba is in ruins, is not because it was 'never' developed, but rather because the economic system that created that development was eliminated. Now it's in ruins. That building, like all the homes in Cuba, were built during the Capitalist era. They had plumbing, and roads, and many of the things YOU take for granted in America.

Now they have adopted your ideology, and they don't even have Aspirin.

Cuba was not "on a par" with the US in the 1950s.
Why would you insult your readers' intelligence with such a transparent lie?
"In March 1952, a few months after a poll in the magazine Bohemiafore told that he would loose his bid for the Cuban presidency;Fulgencio Batista took over the Cuban government in bloodless coup d'état.

"The U.S., already familiar with Batista from their previous collaboration in the 1930s and his presidency in 1940, recognized his government within two weeks."
Cuba in the 1950s

How does that prove Cuba wasn't economically on par with the United States? The fact is that before Castro Cuba was by far the richest country in Latin America.

 

[georgephillip]

"For a visitor from the United States, Cuba is disorienting. American cars are everywhere, but they all date from the 1950s at the latest. Our bank cards, credit cards, and smartphones don't work. Internet access is virtually nonexistent. And the Cuban health care system also seems unreal.

"There are too many doctors.

"Everybody has a family physician. Everything is free, totally free — and not after prior approval or some copay. The whole system seems turned upside down. It is tightly organized, and the first priority is prevention.

"Although Cuba has limited economic resources, its health care system has solved some problems that ours has not yet managed to address.1,2

"Family physicians, along with their nurses and other health workers, are responsible for delivering primary care and preventive services to their panel of patients — about 1000 patients per physician in urban areas.

"All care delivery is organized at the local level, and the patients and their caregivers generally live in the same community. The medical records in cardboard folders are simple and handwritten, not unlike those we used in the United States 50 years ago.

"But the system is surprisingly information-rich and focused on population health..."

"Every patient is visited at home once a year, and those with chronic conditions receive visits more frequently. When necessary, patients can be referred to a district polyclinic for specialty evaluation, but they return to the community team for ongoing treatment.

"For example, the team is responsible for seeing that a patient with tuberculosis follows the assigned antimicrobial regimen and gets sputum checks.

"House calls and discussions with family members are common tactics for addressing problems with compliance or follow-up and even for failure to protect against unwanted pregnancy.

"In an effort to control mosquito-borne infections such as dengue, the local health team goes into homes to conduct inspections and teach people about getting rid of standing water, for example."

MMS Error

Awwwww man, you stopped it before the best part....



"But one should not romanticize Cuban health care. The system is not designed for consumer choice or individual initiatives. There is no alternative, private-payer health system. Physicians get government benefits such as housing and food subsidies, but they are paid only about $20 per month. Their education is free, and they are respected, but they are unlikely to attain personal wealth. Cuba is a country where 80% of the citizens work for the government, and the government manages the budgets. In a community health clinic, signs tell patients how much their free care is actually costing the system (see photoPoster Indicating the Actual Costs of Care Provided Free of Charge to Cuban Patients.), but no market forces compel efficiency. Resources are limited, as we learned in meeting with Cuban medical and public health professionals as part of a group of editors from the United States. A nephrologist in Cienfuegos, 160 miles south of Havana, lists 77 patients on dialysis in the province, which on a population basis is about 40% of the current U.S. rate — similar to what the U.S. rate was in 1985. A neurologist reports that his hospital got a CT scanner only 12 years ago. U.S. students who are enrolled in a Cuban medical school say that operating rooms run quickly and efficiently but with very little technology. Access to information through the Internet is minimal. One medical student reports being limited to 30 minutes per week of dial-up access. This limitation, like many of the resource constraints that affect progress, is blamed on the long-standing U.S. economic embargo, but there may be other forces in the central government working against rapid, easy communication among Cubans and with the United States."

MMS Error

You're right... I knew it had to happen sometime
"Any visitor can see that Cuba remains far from a developed country in basic infrastructure such as roads, housing, plumbing, and sanitation.

"Nonetheless, Cubans are beginning to face the same health problems the developed world faces, with increasing rates of coronary disease and obesity and an aging population (11.7% of Cubans are now 65 years of age or older).

"Their unusual health care system addresses those problems in ways that grew out of Cuba's peculiar political and economic history, but the system they have created — with a physician for everyone, an early focus on prevention, and clear attention to community health — may inform progress in other countries as well."
MMS Error

You missed the point thought.... Cuba *WAS* a developed country, with infrastructure and reads and plumbing on par with America.... in the 1950s Capitalists based system.

*NOW* under the socialized system, it's not.

You people on the left seems to miss this concept that the system which creates growth and development, can't be replaced without destroying that growth and development.

Wealth is not static. It is either growing, and collapsing. It's not like if you build up a society using the capitalist model, and then change models, that all that wealth that build society will stay static. Wealth is never static.

Cuba s Housing Crisis Worsens

The residents of 308 Oquendo Street were jolted awake in the middle of the night by violent shaking and a noise that they likened to a freight train, or an exploding bomb.
Part of their building's seventh floor had collapsed into the interior patio, heavily damaging apartments on the floors below. No one died, but the 120 families living in the building were left homeless.

Despite reforms in recent years to address the island's housing problem, such building collapses remain common in Cuba, where decades of neglect and a dearth of new home construction have left untold thousands of islanders living in crowded structures at risk of suddenly falling down.

Do you see? The reason Cuba is in ruins, is not because it was 'never' developed, but rather because the economic system that created that development was eliminated. Now it's in ruins. That building, like all the homes in Cuba, were built during the Capitalist era. They had plumbing, and roads, and many of the things YOU take for granted in America.

Now they have adopted your ideology, and they don't even have Aspirin.

Cuba was not "on a par" with the US in the 1950s.
Why would you insult your readers' intelligence with such a transparent lie?
"In March 1952, a few months after a poll in the magazine Bohemiafore told that he would loose his bid for the Cuban presidency;Fulgencio Batista took over the Cuban government in bloodless coup d'état.

"The U.S., already familiar with Batista from their previous collaboration in the 1930s and his presidency in 1940, recognized his government within two weeks."
Cuba in the 1950s

How does that prove Cuba wasn't economically on par with the United States? The fact is that before Castro Cuba was by far the richest country in Latin America.

Almost.
"An extensive, well-integrated system of highways provided the basis for rapid postwar advance in the island's motorized transport industry. In 1957, Cuba’s real income per capita (national income divided by population) was $378, or fourth, in Latin America. Only Venezuela, Argentina, and Uruguay ranked above Cuba and even Spain ($324) and Portugal ($212), failed to reach Cuba’s level.

"Except for Venezuela, Cuba probably enjoyed the highest per capita income among all countries in the wet tropical zone, extending from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn.

"Other measures provide a better approximation of the degree to which real income was shared among the population.

"Cuba ranked third in Latin America on a per capita basis in daily calorie consumption, steel consumption, paper consumption and radios per 1,000 persons. In 1959, Cuba had one million radios and the highest ratio of television sets per 1,000 inhabitants. (...)"
Latin Business Chronicle

 

[bripat9643]

Awwwww man, you stopped it before the best part....



"But one should not romanticize Cuban health care. The system is not designed for consumer choice or individual initiatives. There is no alternative, private-payer health system. Physicians get government benefits such as housing and food subsidies, but they are paid only about $20 per month. Their education is free, and they are respected, but they are unlikely to attain personal wealth. Cuba is a country where 80% of the citizens work for the government, and the government manages the budgets. In a community health clinic, signs tell patients how much their free care is actually costing the system (see photoPoster Indicating the Actual Costs of Care Provided Free of Charge to Cuban Patients.), but no market forces compel efficiency. Resources are limited, as we learned in meeting with Cuban medical and public health professionals as part of a group of editors from the United States. A nephrologist in Cienfuegos, 160 miles south of Havana, lists 77 patients on dialysis in the province, which on a population basis is about 40% of the current U.S. rate — similar to what the U.S. rate was in 1985. A neurologist reports that his hospital got a CT scanner only 12 years ago. U.S. students who are enrolled in a Cuban medical school say that operating rooms run quickly and efficiently but with very little technology. Access to information through the Internet is minimal. One medical student reports being limited to 30 minutes per week of dial-up access. This limitation, like many of the resource constraints that affect progress, is blamed on the long-standing U.S. economic embargo, but there may be other forces in the central government working against rapid, easy communication among Cubans and with the United States."

MMS Error

You're right... I knew it had to happen sometime
"Any visitor can see that Cuba remains far from a developed country in basic infrastructure such as roads, housing, plumbing, and sanitation.

"Nonetheless, Cubans are beginning to face the same health problems the developed world faces, with increasing rates of coronary disease and obesity and an aging population (11.7% of Cubans are now 65 years of age or older).

"Their unusual health care system addresses those problems in ways that grew out of Cuba's peculiar political and economic history, but the system they have created — with a physician for everyone, an early focus on prevention, and clear attention to community health — may inform progress in other countries as well."
MMS Error

You missed the point thought.... Cuba *WAS* a developed country, with infrastructure and reads and plumbing on par with America.... in the 1950s Capitalists based system.

*NOW* under the socialized system, it's not.

You people on the left seems to miss this concept that the system which creates growth and development, can't be replaced without destroying that growth and development.

Wealth is not static. It is either growing, and collapsing. It's not like if you build up a society using the capitalist model, and then change models, that all that wealth that build society will stay static. Wealth is never static.

Cuba s Housing Crisis Worsens

The residents of 308 Oquendo Street were jolted awake in the middle of the night by violent shaking and a noise that they likened to a freight train, or an exploding bomb.
Part of their building's seventh floor had collapsed into the interior patio, heavily damaging apartments on the floors below. No one died, but the 120 families living in the building were left homeless.

Despite reforms in recent years to address the island's housing problem, such building collapses remain common in Cuba, where decades of neglect and a dearth of new home construction have left untold thousands of islanders living in crowded structures at risk of suddenly falling down.

Do you see? The reason Cuba is in ruins, is not because it was 'never' developed, but rather because the economic system that created that development was eliminated. Now it's in ruins. That building, like all the homes in Cuba, were built during the Capitalist era. They had plumbing, and roads, and many of the things YOU take for granted in America.

Now they have adopted your ideology, and they don't even have Aspirin.

Cuba was not "on a par" with the US in the 1950s.
Why would you insult your readers' intelligence with such a transparent lie?
"In March 1952, a few months after a poll in the magazine Bohemiafore told that he would loose his bid for the Cuban presidency;Fulgencio Batista took over the Cuban government in bloodless coup d'état.

"The U.S., already familiar with Batista from their previous collaboration in the 1930s and his presidency in 1940, recognized his government within two weeks."
Cuba in the 1950s

How does that prove Cuba wasn't economically on par with the United States? The fact is that before Castro Cuba was by far the richest country in Latin America.

Almost.
"An extensive, well-integrated system of highways provided the basis for rapid postwar advance in the island's motorized transport industry. In 1957, Cuba’s real income per capita (national income divided by population) was $378, or fourth, in Latin America. Only Venezuela, Argentina, and Uruguay ranked above Cuba and even Spain ($324) and Portugal ($212), failed to reach Cuba’s level.

"Except for Venezuela, Cuba probably enjoyed the highest per capita income among all countries in the wet tropical zone, extending from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn.

"Other measures provide a better approximation of the degree to which real income was shared among the population.

"Cuba ranked third in Latin America on a per capita basis in daily calorie consumption, steel consumption, paper consumption and radios per 1,000 persons. In 1959, Cuba had one million radios and the highest ratio of television sets per 1,000 inhabitants. (...)"
Latin Business Chronicle

You're not helping your case.

 

[georgephillip]

You're right... I knew it had to happen sometime
"Any visitor can see that Cuba remains far from a developed country in basic infrastructure such as roads, housing, plumbing, and sanitation.

"Nonetheless, Cubans are beginning to face the same health problems the developed world faces, with increasing rates of coronary disease and obesity and an aging population (11.7% of Cubans are now 65 years of age or older).

"Their unusual health care system addresses those problems in ways that grew out of Cuba's peculiar political and economic history, but the system they have created — with a physician for everyone, an early focus on prevention, and clear attention to community health — may inform progress in other countries as well."
MMS Error

You missed the point thought.... Cuba *WAS* a developed country, with infrastructure and reads and plumbing on par with America.... in the 1950s Capitalists based system.

*NOW* under the socialized system, it's not.

You people on the left seems to miss this concept that the system which creates growth and development, can't be replaced without destroying that growth and development.

Wealth is not static. It is either growing, and collapsing. It's not like if you build up a society using the capitalist model, and then change models, that all that wealth that build society will stay static. Wealth is never static.

Cuba s Housing Crisis Worsens

The residents of 308 Oquendo Street were jolted awake in the middle of the night by violent shaking and a noise that they likened to a freight train, or an exploding bomb.
Part of their building's seventh floor had collapsed into the interior patio, heavily damaging apartments on the floors below. No one died, but the 120 families living in the building were left homeless.

Despite reforms in recent years to address the island's housing problem, such building collapses remain common in Cuba, where decades of neglect and a dearth of new home construction have left untold thousands of islanders living in crowded structures at risk of suddenly falling down.

Do you see? The reason Cuba is in ruins, is not because it was 'never' developed, but rather because the economic system that created that development was eliminated. Now it's in ruins. That building, like all the homes in Cuba, were built during the Capitalist era. They had plumbing, and roads, and many of the things YOU take for granted in America.

Now they have adopted your ideology, and they don't even have Aspirin.

Cuba was not "on a par" with the US in the 1950s.
Why would you insult your readers' intelligence with such a transparent lie?
"In March 1952, a few months after a poll in the magazine Bohemiafore told that he would loose his bid for the Cuban presidency;Fulgencio Batista took over the Cuban government in bloodless coup d'état.

"The U.S., already familiar with Batista from their previous collaboration in the 1930s and his presidency in 1940, recognized his government within two weeks."
Cuba in the 1950s

How does that prove Cuba wasn't economically on par with the United States? The fact is that before Castro Cuba was by far the richest country in Latin America.

Almost.
"An extensive, well-integrated system of highways provided the basis for rapid postwar advance in the island's motorized transport industry. In 1957, Cuba’s real income per capita (national income divided by population) was $378, or fourth, in Latin America. Only Venezuela, Argentina, and Uruguay ranked above Cuba and even Spain ($324) and Portugal ($212), failed to reach Cuba’s level.

"Except for Venezuela, Cuba probably enjoyed the highest per capita income among all countries in the wet tropical zone, extending from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn.

"Other measures provide a better approximation of the degree to which real income was shared among the population.

"Cuba ranked third in Latin America on a per capita basis in daily calorie consumption, steel consumption, paper consumption and radios per 1,000 persons. In 1959, Cuba had one million radios and the highest ratio of television sets per 1,000 inhabitants. (...)"
Latin Business Chronicle

You're not helping your case.

I'm only interested in the Truth.