Can an actor be "Great"?

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    Maybe it's just me, but I am really nauseated by the fame, adulation, and even respect that our society gives to ACTORS.

    We have scores of programs in which hosts and "reporters" breathlessly report on the words, doings, and rumors about one actor or another, as though these people mattered more than, say, the plumber you call when your toilet is blocked.

    They don't.

    An actor, by definition, is someone who pretends to be a (usually) fictitious person. The fictitious person and their words are created by someone else, and the actor either memorizes or reads them for the audience. The good ones do so in a way that is" believable." But even this is largely nonsense. Real people don't emote in the same way as actors, whose fake feelings are exaggerated for effect.

    In most cases, the actor is only one of a large number of people who, together, create a spectacle that the audience finds appealing. There are directors who coach the actors, make-up artists who make them look believable, costume and set designers, musicians...the list goes on and on. Take away these other people and what do you have? Someone pretending to be someone else.

    Big deal.

    To the extent that I see, read, or hear actors speaking for themselves, most of them have very little of value to say. Often, they are nowhere near as intelligent or insightful as the people they portray, and - truth be known - their real-life experience and education are sorely lacking. Thus, their pronouncements on anything other than the stuff they work in, day and day out, is relatively worthless.

    The more successful they are, the more likely they are worthless sots, immersed in drugs, drink, and promiscuous sex. Their couplings and pairings - noted studiously by the Press - are an absurdity. Tom Cruise' next wife will probably be attending her Senior Prom in high school next year.

    Did you really want to know who they were voting for earlier this year?

    Why?

    Anyway...just venting. I saw a program from the Kennedy Center the other night on television, where Al Pacino was figuratively canonized.

    I don't get it.
     
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    I have no idea why people pay so much attention to "entertainment" media.
     
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    Of course they can be GREAT

    So can singers, dancers, writers, artists, athletes, musicians...

    They are paid to entertain us. Humans put great value on being entertained......it helps make life livable
     
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    Actors are nothing more than storytellers that use their voice and body to simulate or imitate a facet of the story. Most actors never write or direct the stories they tell. They are nothing more than entertainers, and far too often are grossly overpaid for what they do.

    3D animation is increasingly realistic and could in the near future replace the need for overpaid actors.

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    I love that idea then we wouldn't have to listen to self important actors spewing their bullshit on any subject
     
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    To many people, actors are interesting or perhaps entertaining. Also, since many people watch many of the same movies and TV shows, they give us a common connection. Lots of people wish they could live the lifestyle of many of these rich, successful and famous people (even though many of these actors live miserable lives).

    I agree and have often thought the same thing that actors are no better than anyone else.
     
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    Does the animator become "the actor"?
     
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    No the voice over guy does but he will be faceless and nameless and his animated avatar can be erased or simply voiced by another person
     
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    I’ll take issue with you on this.

    First I’ll agree with you. Their opinions are just the same as ours. And their value is outsized by the media. But, one has to remember that the media only reports what they think the public wants. I say it—nobody cares. Chloe Kardashin says it—the media thinks people care based on previous experiences from the ratings of her TV show to the click rate on news stories about Chloe.
    When you’re no longer famous, the value plummets. I doubt anyone would care much about what Carol Channing says….if you know who that is; or Jarrod Emick or Kristy McNichol for that matter.

    Here is where I disagree.

    Certainly it is not always the case but it is more often than not. Persons like Al Pacino are considered “great” actors because they prepare for the roles they take. To do Frank Slade—the blind army colonel, he studied the mannerisms of the blind and worked very hard to paint an accurate portrayal. Tom Hanks lost dozens of pounds of actual body flesh and muscle for his portrayal of Andrew Beckett in Philadelphia. In these cases, if they choose to use their enlightened vantage points and their outsized place in American culture to lobby for more money for AIDS research or making life easier for the blind, they’ve likely studied it more than your plumber; to use your example.
     
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    Actors, musicians, athletes are part of our popular culture

    They are part of our collective experience. I can go to any bar in the country and strike up a conversation about sports and we have a common bond. Same with actors or musicians

    Actors have also done much to spread American culture around the world. You can go anywhere in the world and find that they have seen the same movies we have. It is a reason many people learn English
     
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