CDZ Can America function like this?

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    If you disagree with the premise, please pipe up, I'd like to hear that too.

    It seems to me that national politics have essentially decayed into an ongoing contest of smears, innuendo, accusation, condemnation and conspiracy theories. Not to mention, outright lies. And obviously, if the Democrats gain back control, that certainly is not going to change.

    Yes, it has "always been like this". But in the age of the internet, instant news, and fake news, the noise is like nothing ever seen.

    So I guess I have two questions:

    1. Can the government function properly, can it move the country forward, when so little attention is paid to issues? And when debate of the issues amounts to little more than simplistic bumper sticker sloganeering, wedged in between smears and attacks?

    2. Do we not think that many of our Best & Brightest are going to stay away from politics because of this trend?
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    In the top ten richest Countries per-capita in the world, out of 195.
    Strongest Military in the world, out of 195.
    #18 in quality of life, out of 195.
    #53 for life expectancy, out of 195 - - - (isn't as bad as it seems because there's no statistical difference in giant clusters in the top 100)

    “The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.” - Socrates
     
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    Politics has always sucked. You might check quotes from Mark Twain. That said because the DNCMSM so hates Trump, they are making it even worse.

    No one really successful and smart goes into politics. Only criminals go into politics.

    It was said long ago, the worst among us go into politics.
     
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    Can the government function properly, can it move the country forward
    Obviously not. Not even when "times like these" isnt a problem apparently..
    Answer to number 2 is probably IMO. That just makes sense..

    Our problem isnt just the politicians, the internet, the media etc. It is also our voting block.
    WE THE PEOPLE give ourselves shitty options that strive in environments built on fear and stupidity. "we MUST vote for the duopoly even though its evil versus complete fucking stupidity"

    Notice the first few people to drop out of their campaigns last year were the sane ones? Specifically jim webb and rand paul. They didnt have a chance. Werent extreme enough. Sought solutions instead of band-aids and redundancy
     
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    What do you propose, Mac, to get us on a better track? Continually harping on how bad our system is doesn't actually fix it, does it?
    I'd love to see Super PACS outlawed. I'd love to see all campaigners allotted a specific amount of money and they can't spend more than that. It will never happen, though, because the exact same people who depend on all that money are the ones who would have to vote in those rules, aren't they?
     
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    "Pessimism leads to weakness, optimism to power." ~ William James
     
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    It cant just happen with one person.
    Im with you on the spending. I would prefer all federal campaigns be paid for by the tax payers with a small set amount. No need to spend a million dollars on nothing more than saying your opponent wants to run over children with their vehicles.
     
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    In terms of process, I make the same proposal to change DC regularly, my apologies that you have clearly not seen it:

    1. Short Term Limits
    2. Publicly-funded elections
    3. Balanced Budget Amendment

    Unfortunately, that does not address the behaviors I listed. I don't have answers for that. I'll try not to continually harp on them in the future.
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    Was that before, or after the fall of the Roman Empire?
     
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    people are fed up

    that is why outside the box guys like Trump are winning

    expect to see more

    if that fails whats left

    states calling for a Constitutional Convention

    which throws the whole hill out of the game
     
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