Can a US politician criticize Israel and win an election in America?

[bluemoon22]

It is regularly said that a candidate for a political office or a politician seeking reelection in the United States cannot win their bid if they were to criticize Israel for its oppressive policies against the Palestinian people. The theory claims that such a candidate that is willing to speak out against Israel's crimes risks becoming the target of the Israeli Lobby.

I think this is true. If you watched the Netanyahu speech at Congress last week, it made it pretty obvious

Congress goes out of its way to praise and protect Israel no matter how heinous a crime she commits. There is absolutely no fair and open debate on the issue of Palestine in this country. Our politicians are seen regularly repeating Israeli talking points

It is pretty ridiculous how Israel controls us. It isn't just our Congress, but also our Media. Our politicians and Media say the exact same thing as Israel without fact checking. Lie after Israeli lie ends up getting repeated in this country and eventually taken as fact. You would think we were safeguarded against such foreign control by at least OUR media, but unfortunately that is not the case.

Link: Can a US politician criticize Israel and win an election in America?

 

[georgephillip]

In case anyone doubts the accuracy of your OP, there's an anniversary coming up next Wednesday (June 8th) that should change their minds.

From Wiki:

"The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2]

"The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[3]

"At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][4]

Liberty was overflown for hours by the Israelis and their first assaults knocked out the ship's ability to get out a 911 call. Eventually a seaman who won a Silver Star for his efforts jerry-rigged an antenna and the Sixth Fleet sent help.
Twice.

Both rescue missions were aborted by DC.
The first by Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara.
And the second by President Lyndon Baines Johnson.

"This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies."

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I always assumed the motive for the attack stemmed from some incriminating Israeli radio intercepts that Liberty swept up.

Recently a more chilling possibility has linked the attack to Operation Northwoods.

 

[QUENTIN]

No, because the ultraconservative AIPAC lobby (not "Israel lobby", J Street condemns Israeli war crimes and illegal settlements while supporting Israel's right to exist and actual defense) enjoys more power and influence than any non-industry (banks, defense contractors, etc) lobby among the halls of Congress.

The result is that most national politicians absolutely despise George Washington's great advice on diplomacy and foreign affairs:

nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave.

It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest.

Thus vast bipartisan supermajorities of both houses hold permanent, inveterate loyalty not just to an allied country, but to every single policy enacted by that foreign country's government regardless of its legality or harm to the interest and security of their own country.

And of course, just as the worthless and dishonest dodge/smear of "If you oppose Obama's policies, you must be a racist" is applied by many diehard, uncritical supporters of all he does, even more frequently the worthless and dishonest dodge/smear of "If you oppose any of the Israeli government's policies, you must be an anti-Semite" is applied regardless of context, merit, or the person they're applying it to. Even someone who pledges undying fealty to Israel like Obama but takes a few token oppositional stances against some of their government's blatantly illegal actions because they harm his own country's interests is condemned by dishonest blowhards for insufficient loyalty. It's a sick, sad joke that drives much of the boneheaded and counterproductive foreign policy of both nations.

 

[NoNukes]

According to Ed Koch, who criticized Obama, the Jews will still vote Democrat and it will not hurt Obama.

 

[georgephillip]

There was also a time in living memory when whites in the US south would never vote Republican and Blacks in the same part of the country would never vote for a Democrat.

If Obama or any other POTUS was serious about rolling back the Israeli occupation of Palestine, he or she would start in Brussels:

"If international civil society is serious about urgently ending Israel’s violations of Palestinian rights, including ending the occupation, then suspension of SWIFT transactions to and from Israeli banks offers an instrument to help bring about a peaceful resolution of an intractable conflict...

"SWIFT links 8,740 financial institutions in 209 countries. Without access to SWIFT and its interbank payment network, countries are unable either to pay for imports or to receive payment for exports.

"In short, no payment — no trade."

Terry Crawford-Browne: To end the occupation, cripple Israeli banks

 

[eflatminor]

End ALL foreign "aid" now. Then, none of this shit matters.

 

[georgephillip]

What about Israel's 200-plus nuclear weapons?

Does their use become more likely if Israel is cut off from US-supplied conventional arms?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

There was also a time in living memory when whites in the US south would never vote Republican and Blacks in the same part of the country would never vote for a Democrat.

If Obama or any other POTUS was serious about rolling back the Israeli occupation of Palestine, he or she would start in Brussels:
"If international civil society is serious about urgently ending Israel’s violations of Palestinian rights, including ending the occupation, then suspension of SWIFT transactions to and from Israeli banks offers an instrument to help bring about a peaceful resolution of an intractable conflict...

"SWIFT links 8,740 financial institutions in 209 countries. Without access to SWIFT and its interbank payment network, countries are unable either to pay for imports or to receive payment for exports.

"In short, no payment — no trade."

Terry Crawford-Browne: To end the occupation, cripple Israeli banks

You're a fucking delusional idiot.

 

[Caroljo]

There was also a time in living memory when whites in the US south would never vote Republican and Blacks in the same part of the country would never vote for a Democrat.

If Obama or any other POTUS was serious about rolling back the Israeli occupation of Palestine, he or she would start in Brussels:

"If international civil society is serious about urgently ending Israel’s violations of Palestinian rights, including ending the occupation, then suspension of SWIFT transactions to and from Israeli banks offers an instrument to help bring about a peaceful resolution of an intractable conflict...

"SWIFT links 8,740 financial institutions in 209 countries. Without access to SWIFT and its interbank payment network, countries are unable either to pay for imports or to receive payment for exports.

"In short, no payment — no trade."

Terry Crawford-Browne: To end the occupation, cripple Israeli banks

There is no Palestine...never has been a country named Palestine, and there never will be either. As long as the so called Palestinian people support Hamas, they'll never get any land. They should migrate back to where they originally came from, and it's not in Israel!

 

[georgephillip]

There was also a time in living memory when whites in the US south would never vote Republican and Blacks in the same part of the country would never vote for a Democrat.

If Obama or any other POTUS was serious about rolling back the Israeli occupation of Palestine, he or she would start in Brussels:

"If international civil society is serious about urgently ending Israel’s violations of Palestinian rights, including ending the occupation, then suspension of SWIFT transactions to and from Israeli banks offers an instrument to help bring about a peaceful resolution of an intractable conflict...

"SWIFT links 8,740 financial institutions in 209 countries. Without access to SWIFT and its interbank payment network, countries are unable either to pay for imports or to receive payment for exports.

"In short, no payment — no trade."

Terry Crawford-Browne: To end the occupation, cripple Israeli banks

There is no Palestine...never has been a country named Palestine, and there never will be either. As long as the so called Palestinian people support Hamas, they'll never get any land. They should migrate back to where they originally came from, and it's not in Israel!

In 1948 two -thirds of the people living where "the Jewish State of Israel" exists today, i.e., in Palestine, were not Jews.

Most Arabs and Christians and even some of the Jews living there at that time knew what would happen if England got its "little, loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism."

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - IPS

 

[georgephillip]

There was also a time in living memory when whites in the US south would never vote Republican and Blacks in the same part of the country would never vote for a Democrat.

If Obama or any other POTUS was serious about rolling back the Israeli occupation of Palestine, he or she would start in Brussels:
"If international civil society is serious about urgently ending Israel’s violations of Palestinian rights, including ending the occupation, then suspension of SWIFT transactions to and from Israeli banks offers an instrument to help bring about a peaceful resolution of an intractable conflict...

"SWIFT links 8,740 financial institutions in 209 countries. Without access to SWIFT and its interbank payment network, countries are unable either to pay for imports or to receive payment for exports.

"In short, no payment — no trade."

Terry Crawford-Browne: To end the occupation, cripple Israeli banks

You're a fucking delusional idiot.

About as delusional as Sir Ronald Storrs?

"Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a 'Jewish homeland' in Palestine meant for the British Empire: 'It will form for England,' he said, 'a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.'

Storrs’ analogy was no accident.

"Ireland was where the English invented the tactic of divide and conquer, and where the devastating effectiveness of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between the colonial rulers and the colonized made it a template for worldwide imperial rule.

"Ariel Sharon and former Prime Minister Menachem Begin normally take credit for creating the 'facts on the ground' policies that have poured more than 420,000 settlers into the Occupied Territories.

"But they were simply copying Charles I, the English King, who in 1609 forcibly removed the O’Neill and O’Donnell clans from the north of Ireland, moved in 20,000 English and Scottish Protestants, and founded the Plantation of Ulster.

"The 'removal' was never really meant to cleanse Ulster of the Irish.

"Native labor was essential to the Plantation’s success and within 15 years more than 4,000 native Irish tenants and their families were back in Ulster.

"But they lived in a land divided into religious castes, with the Protestant invaders on top and the Catholic natives on the bottom.

"Protestants were awarded the 'Ulster privilege' which gave them special access to land and lower rents..."

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - IPS

 

[Sunni Man]

99% of Americans have NO idea that our nation is ruled by a Z.O.G.

(Zionist Occupied Government)

Most of our ethnic Jews in government and the White House have dual citizenship; American and Israeli

Their first loyalty is to Israel.

In their warped thinking; what is best for Israel is best for America.

 

[georgephillip]

99% of Americans have NO idea that our nation is ruled by a Z.O.G.

(Zionist Occupied Government)

Most of our ethnic Jews in government and the White House have dual citizenship; American and Israeli

Their first loyalty is to Israel.

In their warped thinking; what is best for Israel is best for America.

How do you reveal the Israeli bias in US Government to the American people without lighting the same fuse Hitler did?

 

[Sunni Man]

99% of Americans have NO idea that our nation is ruled by a Z.O.G.

(Zionist Occupied Government)

Most of our ethnic Jews in government and the White House have dual citizenship; American and Israeli

Their first loyalty is to Israel.

In their warped thinking; what is best for Israel is best for America.

How do you reveal the Israeli bias in US Government to the American people without lighting the same fuse Hitler did?

After WWI the German people knew that the Jewish bankers had betrayed Germany and caused them to lose the war.

Hitler just gave voice to what the general public already knew.

And offered a solution to the plague of the traitors among them.

Currently, the American public isn't aware of the Zionist influence that controls our nation.

In my opinion it is going to take educating the public; which is going to take a long time.

 

[georgephillip]

When you mention German bankers betraying their country during WWI, are you referring to the British promise of a Jewish homeland in Palestine if influential Jews in Europe could influence the US government to join the war against Germany?

There's no doubt in my mind the American public is at least as ignorant of the level of Zionist influence over their lives as they are of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in June of 1967.

June 8th will be 44 years and counting with no congressional investigation of the crimes.

 

[Sunni Man]

Just Google German Jewish bankers betrayed Germany during WW1

And you Will see what I am talking about.

 

[georgephillip]

Investment bankers of all races and nationalities seem to be our primary problem.

 

[Sunni Man]

Investment bankers of all races and nationalities seem to be our primary problem.

But it seems like 99% of them are Jews

 

[georgephillip]

Does the problem lie with "Jew" or "usury"?

 

[Sunni Man]

Does the problem lie with "Jew" or "usury"?

Jews invented and fine tunrd the concept of "usury"

As a way to enslave and conquer the Goyim.

Now the terms are interchangeable.

Jews own the banks and the banks own us.