Can a hate crime be committed against a group that doesn't believe in hate crimes?

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    Sounds to me, from what little evidence we have, that the perp arrested for shooting a Family Research Council guard should be charged with a hate crime.

    But the Family Research Council is on record opposing hate crimes because they don't believe they exist.

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    huh, FRC weaseled out by declaring it an act of domestic terrorism.

    I have never understood the difference between hate crime and domestic terrorism.
     
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    In the end, some guy shot some other guys, and should go to jail for a long time.

    To me terrorism has to have some goal of destabilizing society as a whole through violent action. It also has to be an organized effort, and on a rather grand scale.

    I understand why people feel the need to punish people further for having unpopular viewpoints while committing a crime, but the action and the overall mental state of the person are what the law cares about.
     
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    Personally, I find the word 'believe' when discussing something like 'hate crimes' to be somewhat ridiculous. Believe is not the word... the word is 'agree'. Either you agree that such a thing is legitimate, or you disagree. Again, personally, I disagree. Labeling some crimes as 'hate' marks the victims out as somehow 'special' and no one in this country is special. We're all Americans.... no one individual, or group, is 'special'.
     
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    There certainly doesn't appear to be any organization--it looks like this guy acted alone. Thanks for clearing that difference up for me. I don't know if it would meet the legal definition of domestic terrorism but it certainly makes sense.
     
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    I oppose hate crimes too. Good thing this is being investigated as an act of terrorism.
     
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    Funny how the left was so concerned about the Constitutional rights of Communists who were out to overthrow the government and anarchists like Bill Ayers but they ignore the Constitution when the victims threaten the abortion industry. The 1st Amendment offers "equal protection under the law". That includes "the family research council". Case closed.
     
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    I dont know if there is really a legal term "terrorism." Terorroism consists of other defined crimes used in a certain way.
     
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    I think there is one in the US Code....or some such. But of course, it kind of depends on the eye of the beholder.
     
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    you're giving pretentious a bad name, sandi.


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