Campaign finance rules are now a joke

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Passing the Disclose Act
would shed some light on stealth campaign spending

Thursday, September 23, 2010; A26

THE PROSPECT of secret money flooding into federal elections has progressed from disturbing theory to full-fledged reality. Groups with anodyne names like Americans for Prosperity, Americans for Job Security and Crossroads GPS are, with no legal requirement that they reveal the names of their donors, spending millions of dollars on television advertising and other activities designed to support favored congressional candidates.

Tax laws permit a certain degree of political activity by nonprofit advocacy groups and trade associations without requiring reports on the source of the spending. Corporations, labor unions and wealthy individuals that want to influence elections without revealing their involvement can use such entities to do so. But the Supreme Court invited even more of this activity with its decision in the Citizens United case, which allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited sums to target particular lawmakers for election or defeat. In advance of the November election, especially on the Republican side, that opportunity is being taken up with vigor.

This development is unhealthy for democracy. As the Supreme Court itself explained in the portion of its Citizens United ruling rejecting a challenge to existing reporting requirements, "The First Amendment protects political speech; and disclosure permits citizens and shareholders to react to the speech of corporate entities in a proper way. This transparency enables the electorate to make informed decisions and give proper weight to different speakers and messages." The current disclosure void threatens that balance, with an electorate clueless about the interests trying to influence their votes.

The Senate has before it a measure, known as the Disclose Act, that would fix this mess; the House has already passed its version. Unfortunately, it has not been able to attract any Republican support and therefore is short of the necessary 60 votes. In its current form, the measure would go beyond expanding disclosure requirements to prohibit certain kinds of corporations -- for example, government contractors -- from seeking to influence federal elections. But supporters are said to be willing to strip out all but the disclosure portions of the legislation and to delay its effective date until after the upcoming election.

That should be enough to pry loose a Republican vote or two; the most obvious candidates are Maine Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe. It should be enough -- but it hasn't been so far. If that remains true when the Senate votes on the measure Thursday, we hope that they or others will reconsider after the election and take the necessary steps to turn off the secret-money spigot.


Passing the Disclose Act would shed some light on stealth campaign spending
 
Passing the Disclose Act
would shed some light on stealth campaign spending

Thursday, September 23, 2010; A26

THE PROSPECT of secret money flooding into federal elections has progressed from disturbing theory to full-fledged reality. Groups with anodyne names like Americans for Prosperity, Americans for Job Security and Crossroads GPS are, with no legal requirement that they reveal the names of their donors, spending millions of dollars on television advertising and other activities designed to support favored congressional candidates.

Tax laws permit a certain degree of political activity by nonprofit advocacy groups and trade associations without requiring reports on the source of the spending. Corporations, labor unions and wealthy individuals that want to influence elections without revealing their involvement can use such entities to do so. But the Supreme Court invited even more of this activity with its decision in the Citizens United case, which allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited sums to target particular lawmakers for election or defeat. In advance of the November election, especially on the Republican side, that opportunity is being taken up with vigor.

This development is unhealthy for democracy. As the Supreme Court itself explained in the portion of its Citizens United ruling rejecting a challenge to existing reporting requirements, "The First Amendment protects political speech; and disclosure permits citizens and shareholders to react to the speech of corporate entities in a proper way. This transparency enables the electorate to make informed decisions and give proper weight to different speakers and messages." The current disclosure void threatens that balance, with an electorate clueless about the interests trying to influence their votes.

The Senate has before it a measure, known as the Disclose Act, that would fix this mess; the House has already passed its version. Unfortunately, it has not been able to attract any Republican support and therefore is short of the necessary 60 votes. In its current form, the measure would go beyond expanding disclosure requirements to prohibit certain kinds of corporations -- for example, government contractors -- from seeking to influence federal elections. But supporters are said to be willing to strip out all but the disclosure portions of the legislation and to delay its effective date until after the upcoming election.

That should be enough to pry loose a Republican vote or two; the most obvious candidates are Maine Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe. It should be enough -- but it hasn't been so far. If that remains true when the Senate votes on the measure Thursday, we hope that they or others will reconsider after the election and take the necessary steps to turn off the secret-money spigot.


Passing the Disclose Act would shed some light on stealth campaign spending

Yes, It must suck now that the Unions are not the only ones who can make unlimited donations eh. Real bummer.

That said. I have always thought the entire campaign, and campaign Finance system was flawed beyond repair.
 
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IMHO outside of state money should not be used for US senators or Representatives or for any other state elected office.
States should be sovergn entities that should not be interferred with from another state.

National elections as for president are different though.
 
What's a joke is the idea that enforcing "transperancy" is going to wake up the ignorant American electoral.

It truly doesn't matter whether or not those who pour money into campaigns reveal who they are to the American public. The American public cares about as much about who's funding campaigns as they do who won the Cricket World Cup last year. They don't, and those that do are probably already politically aware and principled enough to already know who they're going to vote for.

Seriously, if your main source of political savvy is political campaign commercials and nifty slogans, your in deep shit. Unfortunetly, thats 80% of the electorate right there left and right. That same 80% is the 80% that was "outraged" about corporations being allowed to use their own money to fund campaigns. What they should be outraged about is that they themselves allow themselves to be bought every election cycle, not that people are willing to buy them off. Hell, I would too if I had that kind of money.

My point, if the electorate is "clueless" about who is funding their congresspeople's campaigns they should put their hands to work and find out what their candidates REALLY stand for instead of just seeing a few nice flashing lights on the TV that look convincing and saying "yee-haaa I'll vote for that guy".
 
Passing the Disclose Act
would shed some light on stealth campaign spending

Thursday, September 23, 2010; A26

THE PROSPECT of secret money flooding into federal elections has progressed from disturbing theory to full-fledged reality. Groups with anodyne names like Americans for Prosperity, Americans for Job Security and Crossroads GPS are, with no legal requirement that they reveal the names of their donors, spending millions of dollars on television advertising and other activities designed to support favored congressional candidates.

Tax laws permit a certain degree of political activity by nonprofit advocacy groups and trade associations without requiring reports on the source of the spending. Corporations, labor unions and wealthy individuals that want to influence elections without revealing their involvement can use such entities to do so. But the Supreme Court invited even more of this activity with its decision in the Citizens United case, which allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited sums to target particular lawmakers for election or defeat. In advance of the November election, especially on the Republican side, that opportunity is being taken up with vigor.

This development is unhealthy for democracy. As the Supreme Court itself explained in the portion of its Citizens United ruling rejecting a challenge to existing reporting requirements, "The First Amendment protects political speech; and disclosure permits citizens and shareholders to react to the speech of corporate entities in a proper way. This transparency enables the electorate to make informed decisions and give proper weight to different speakers and messages." The current disclosure void threatens that balance, with an electorate clueless about the interests trying to influence their votes.

The Senate has before it a measure, known as the Disclose Act, that would fix this mess; the House has already passed its version. Unfortunately, it has not been able to attract any Republican support and therefore is short of the necessary 60 votes. In its current form, the measure would go beyond expanding disclosure requirements to prohibit certain kinds of corporations -- for example, government contractors -- from seeking to influence federal elections. But supporters are said to be willing to strip out all but the disclosure portions of the legislation and to delay its effective date until after the upcoming election.

That should be enough to pry loose a Republican vote or two; the most obvious candidates are Maine Sens. Susan Collins and Olympia J. Snowe. It should be enough -- but it hasn't been so far. If that remains true when the Senate votes on the measure Thursday, we hope that they or others will reconsider after the election and take the necessary steps to turn off the secret-money spigot.


Passing the Disclose Act would shed some light on stealth campaign spending

Yes, It must suck now that the Unions are not the only ones who can make unlimited donations eh. Real bummer.

That said. I have always thought the entire campaign, and campaign Finance system was flawed beyond repair.

At least we know when it IS the unions. :lol:
 
Why did the Obama IRS disclose the AFP list of donors?

Will Holder prosecute the leaker?

Why is it OK for the government to run up a trillion deficit but it's not to spend money to voice your objection?
 
What's a joke is the idea that enforcing "transperancy" is going to wake up the ignorant American electoral.

It truly doesn't matter whether or not those who pour money into campaigns reveal who they are to the American public. The American public cares about as much about who's funding campaigns as they do who won the Cricket World Cup last year. They don't, and those that do are probably already politically aware and principled enough to already know who they're going to vote for.

Seriously, if your main source of political savvy is political campaign commercials and nifty slogans, your in deep shit. Unfortunetly, thats 80% of the electorate right there left and right. That same 80% is the 80% that was "outraged" about corporations being allowed to use their own money to fund campaigns. What they should be outraged about is that they themselves allow themselves to be bought every election cycle, not that people are willing to buy them off. Hell, I would too if I had that kind of money.

My point, if the electorate is "clueless" about who is funding their congresspeople's campaigns they should put their hands to work and find out what their candidates REALLY stand for instead of just seeing a few nice flashing lights on the TV that look convincing and saying "yee-haaa I'll vote for that guy".

I wholeheartedly agree. There is absolutely NO excuse for people not to do some simple digging to find out where candidates stand, their histories (both personal, business, legislative if applicable). Every single statement uttered can be fact-checked back to a credible source. But instead, people will believe what they see on television, hear on the radio, or a headline embellished to promote a certain mindset, or an allegation made by one candidate against another, and never bother to find out if it's true or not. It's maddening to say the least.
 
What's a joke is the idea that enforcing "transperancy" is going to wake up the ignorant American electoral.

It truly doesn't matter whether or not those who pour money into campaigns reveal who they are to the American public. The American public cares about as much about who's funding campaigns as they do who won the Cricket World Cup last year. They don't, and those that do are probably already politically aware and principled enough to already know who they're going to vote for.

Seriously, if your main source of political savvy is political campaign commercials and nifty slogans, your in deep shit. Unfortunetly, thats 80% of the electorate right there left and right. That same 80% is the 80% that was "outraged" about corporations being allowed to use their own money to fund campaigns. What they should be outraged about is that they themselves allow themselves to be bought every election cycle, not that people are willing to buy them off. Hell, I would too if I had that kind of money.

My point, if the electorate is "clueless" about who is funding their congresspeople's campaigns they should put their hands to work and find out what their candidates REALLY stand for instead of just seeing a few nice flashing lights on the TV that look convincing and saying "yee-haaa I'll vote for that guy".

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instead of just seeing a few nice flashing lights on the TV that look convincing and saying "yee-haaa I'll vote for that guy"

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But that is what we are programmed to do. It is part of being an American.
 
Yes, It must suck now that the Unions are not the only ones who can make unlimited donations eh. Real bummer.

That said. I have always thought the entire campaign, and campaign Finance system was flawed beyond repair.
The real bummer is we are being fed a constant barrage of political advertisements without knowing who is selling us the message. Who is manipulating the message? Which candidates are beholding to which factions for their elected power? This notion that money equals speech is corrosive to our democracy. The more money, the louder the speech. It all has to stop and real transparency has to be brought to the process.

Unions, corporations and the moneyed interests have to get out of political advertising and contributing to candidates. If a candidate's message is palatable to the electorate, let that candidate sell it on his/her own dime with full disclosure.

Stop with the "politics as football" mentality. This is real important stuff. Not to be left to partisans to gloat or decry. The "our side" line of thinking is not only childish and counter productive. It's dangerous to freedom.
 
Yes, It must suck now that the Unions are not the only ones who can make unlimited donations eh. Real bummer.

That said. I have always thought the entire campaign, and campaign Finance system was flawed beyond repair.
The real bummer is we are being fed a constant barrage of political advertisements without knowing who is selling us the message. Who is manipulating the message? Which candidates are beholding to which factions for their elected power? This notion that money equals speech is corrosive to our democracy. The more money, the louder the speech. It all has to stop and real transparency has to be brought to the process.

Unions, corporations and the moneyed interests have to get out of political advertising and contributing to candidates. If a candidate's message is palatable to the electorate, let that candidate sell it on his/her own dime with full disclosure.

Stop with the "politics as football" mentality. This is real important stuff. Not to be left to partisans to gloat or decry. The "our side" line of thinking is not only childish and counter productive. It's dangerous to freedom.

The system is just screwed all together. It should not cost Hundreds of Millions to run for Office. The Campaigns should not last so damn long. Seem to get longer every year. The money does screw it. But the money comes from everywhere. Not just cooperate America. The Dems are only worked up about this because Cooperate America can now Make unlimited Donations again. Which is going to go a long way to even the Fund Raising Gap that has almost always favored Democrats, and that pisses them off.

I think we should make all Donations and private funding be made public. From every special interest group for both sides, but we all know Neither Party has any interest in seeing that happen.
 
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The problem is the it cost so much to run for the Senate, that the corporate lobbyists can buy influence there.

We should abolish the Senate. It is the biggest problem facing America.
 
Yes, It must suck now that the Unions are not the only ones who can make unlimited donations eh. Real bummer.

That said. I have always thought the entire campaign, and campaign Finance system was flawed beyond repair.
The real bummer is we are being fed a constant barrage of political advertisements without knowing who is selling us the message. Who is manipulating the message? Which candidates are beholding to which factions for their elected power? This notion that money equals speech is corrosive to our democracy. The more money, the louder the speech. It all has to stop and real transparency has to be brought to the process.

Unions, corporations and the moneyed interests have to get out of political advertising and contributing to candidates. If a candidate's message is palatable to the electorate, let that candidate sell it on his/her own dime with full disclosure.

Stop with the "politics as football" mentality. This is real important stuff. Not to be left to partisans to gloat or decry. The "our side" line of thinking is not only childish and counter productive. It's dangerous to freedom.

The system is just screwed all together. It should not cost Hundreds of Millions to run for Office. The Campaigns should not last so damn long. Seem to get longer every year. The money does screw it. But the money comes from everywhere. Not just cooperate America. The Dems are only worked up about this because Cooperate America can now Make unlimited Donations again. Which is going to go a long way to even the Fund Raising Gap that has almost always favored Democrats, and that pisses them off.

I think we should make all Donations and private funding be made public. From every special interest group for both sides, but we all know Neither Party has any interest in seeing that happen.
The point is: QUIT WITH THE "DEMOCRATS WILL GET PISSED" LINE OF THINKING! We can't afford to surrender our election process to special interests and deceitful donors with their own agenda.

And, as a side note, it's Corporate America. They never EVER cooperate.
 
The problem is the it cost so much to run for the Senate, that the corporate lobbyists can buy influence there.

We should abolish the Senate. It is the biggest problem facing America.
Right. Rather than change the system so moneyed agendas no longer call the tune, we should just re-write the Constitution of the United States and lose the bicameral legislature.
 
The problem is the it cost so much to run for the Senate, that the corporate lobbyists can buy influence there.

We should abolish the Senate. It is the biggest problem facing America.
Right. Rather than change the system so moneyed agendas no longer call the tune, we should just re-write the Constitution of the United States and lose the bicameral legislature.
I'm sensing some sarcasm. :cool:

The first amendment would have to be amended I think. Lobbyists are protected by the "petition the government for a redress of grievances" clause.
 
The problem is the it cost so much to run for the Senate, that the corporate lobbyists can buy influence there.

We should abolish the Senate. It is the biggest problem facing America.
Right. Rather than change the system so moneyed agendas no longer call the tune, we should just re-write the Constitution of the United States and lose the bicameral legislature.
I'm sensing some sarcasm. :cool:

The first amendment would have to be amended I think. Lobbyists are protected by the "petition the government for a redress of grievances" clause.
True. But redressing grievances does not include paying for a campaign, does it?
 

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