California: Social Engineering Over Education

[chanel]

Follow the money. Replacing every textbbok and "retrainning" teachers will cost hundreds of millions Someone is going to get very rich if this passes. Good thing CA doesn't have any money problems, (insert snark mark here)

 

[editec]

Follow the money. Replacing every textbbok and "retrainning" teachers will cost hundreds of millions Someone is going to get very rich if this passes. Good thing CA doesn't have any money problems, (insert snark mark here)

Finally!

I was afraid nobody was going to GET IT.

FWIW, speaking as a social scientist and a professional educator, I think introducing content that makes a big deal about people's sexual natures is goofy UNLESS their sexuality was somehow a significant issue in their lives or the history that they touched.

I guess I'd need to see the material to be sure, but this reads like a load of nonsense.

 

[zzzz]

Education has been politicized for years. It is not a trait just for liberals but conservatives too. What ever happened to letting the local school board having the authority to set educational standards and course curriculum. Ever since the State and the Federal government began inserting central control on education our schools have been on a downhill slope. Everything now is measured against a test, a test that may be meaningless and becomes the objective for schools, not educating students but getting them to pass those tests.

It is fantasy to think that education will go back to local control because once the State or Federal powers take over they never give it back.

 

[daveman]

Why do right wingers write about how bad the educational system is? Most aren't educated. They just imagine they are.

Once again, reality kicks rderp's ass.

 

[zzzz]

I know some college graduates who are dumb (stupid?) and illiterate. I never understood how they got through college but I guess in today's world its all about graduating people not educating people.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I know some college graduates who are dumb (stupid?) and illiterate. I never understood how they got through college but I guess in today's world its all about graduating people not educating people.

Sadly...so true.


One step in the right direction would be the end of all government college loans.

 

[Disir]

I don't see what the problem is.

I'm going to guess that you are a product of the government school system....

...true?

SECTION 1. Section 51204.5 of the Education Code is amended to
read:
51204.5. Instruction in social sciences shall include the early
history of California and a study of the role and contributions of
both men and women, Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican
Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans,
lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with
disabilities, and members of other ethnic and cultural groups, to the
economic, political, and social development of California and the
United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the
role of these groups in contemporary society.
SEC. 2. Section 51500 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51500. A teacher shall not give instruction and a school district
shall not sponsor any activity that promotes a discriminatory bias
on the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,
nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic
listed in Section 220.
SEC. 3. Section 51501 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51501. The state board and any governing board shall not adopt
any textbooks or other instructional materials for use in the public
schools that contain any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on
the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,
nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic
listed in Section 220.
SEC. 4. Section 60040 of the Education Code is amended to read:
60040. When adopting instructional materials for use in the
schools, governing boards shall include only instructional materials
which, in their determination, accurately portray the cultural and
racial diversity of our society, including:
(a) The contributions of both men and women in all types of roles,
including professional, vocational, and executive roles.
(b) The role and contributions of Native Americans, African
Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders,
European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender
Americans, persons with disabilities, and members of other ethnic and
cultural groups to the total development of California and the
United States.
(c) The role and contributions of the entrepreneur and labor in
the total development of California and the United States.
SEC. 5. Section 60044 of the Education Code is amended to read:
60044. A governing board shall not adopt any instructional
materials for use in the schools that, in its determination, contain:

(a) Any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on the basis of
race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability, nationality, sexual
orientation, occupation, or because of a characteristic listed in
Section 220.
(b) Any sectarian or denominational doctrine or propaganda
contrary to law.
SEC. 6. It is the intent of the Legislature that alternative and
charter schools take notice of the provisions of this act in light of
Section 235 of the Education Code, which prohibits discrimination on
the basis of disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity,
religion, sexual orientation, or other specified characteristics in
any aspect of the operation of alternative and charter schools.
Bill Text: CA Senate Bill 48 - 2011-2012 Regular Session | eLobbyist



Again, what is the problem?

 

[daveman]

I know some college graduates who are dumb (stupid?) and illiterate. I never understood how they got through college but I guess in today's world its all about graduating people not educating people.

And when they get kicked out into the real world with a worthless diploma, idiots like rderp will insist they're intelligent people because they do have a diploma.

 

[psikeyhackr]

I know some college graduates who are dumb (stupid?) and illiterate. I never understood how they got through college but I guess in today's world its all about graduating people not educating people.

That is why computerized education starting in grade school is so potentially dangerous.

They would blow away dumb adults. Wait, has that been the dominant purpose of education all along. Maintaining the approved level of dumbness. A suggested treading list could have been created decades before there were cheap computers.

The Tyranny of Words (1938) by Stuart Chase
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9H1StY1nU8]"The Tyranny of Words" - YouTube[/ame]

I could have read that in high school but I never heard of it.

psik

 

[Jackson]

The basic education of our children is paramount. One of the reasons we are not doing well is this attempt to socially engineer through the schools burdens the curriculum.

Certainly it is not the role of the school to teach gay rights, how to brush your teeth or how to be safe from strangers but it is something we are called upon to do. We spend hours of school time with Healthy Bear and Mr. Tooth, Freddie the Fireman, Safe Touch Nurse, Orchestras, Choirs, Operas, Puppet shows, Jazz Dancers. Playhouse Actors and other "In the Arts" visitors. Not to mention assemblies to talk about fund raisers and give out prizes.

Then add in the hours of instruction on on "social topics" that weren't there years ago. Add the expense of new textbooks every three years to meet the latest fad or PC option that is hitting the Dept of Ed. or Congress that year. Do we have the right number of minorities in the books. Do we have enough Spanish words for emergent readers that are just learning to read for goodness sakes!

Think of the cost of new books when we could use the same books for seven in a system if we just taught them how to read, reading, math and language arts without the tomfoolery.

Perhaps we could get the sciences and history covered if we had fewer lessons on racial relations, gay rights, 2 mom homes. absent dad homes ,etc.

Learn about something at home. Let us teach basic education and do a good job of it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't see what the problem is.

I'm going to guess that you are a product of the government school system....

...true?

SECTION 1. Section 51204.5 of the Education Code is amended to
read:
51204.5. Instruction in social sciences shall include the early
history of California and a study of the role and contributions of
both men and women, Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican
Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans,
lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with
disabilities, and members of other ethnic and cultural groups, to the
economic, political, and social development of California and the
United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the
role of these groups in contemporary society.
SEC. 2. Section 51500 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51500. A teacher shall not give instruction and a school district
shall not sponsor any activity that promotes a discriminatory bias
on the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,
nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic
listed in Section 220.
SEC. 3. Section 51501 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51501. The state board and any governing board shall not adopt
any textbooks or other instructional materials for use in the public
schools that contain any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on
the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,
nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic
listed in Section 220.
SEC. 4. Section 60040 of the Education Code is amended to read:
60040. When adopting instructional materials for use in the
schools, governing boards shall include only instructional materials
which, in their determination, accurately portray the cultural and
racial diversity of our society, including:
(a) The contributions of both men and women in all types of roles,
including professional, vocational, and executive roles.
(b) The role and contributions of Native Americans, African
Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders,
European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender
Americans, persons with disabilities, and members of other ethnic and
cultural groups to the total development of California and the
United States.
(c) The role and contributions of the entrepreneur and labor in
the total development of California and the United States.
SEC. 5. Section 60044 of the Education Code is amended to read:
60044. A governing board shall not adopt any instructional
materials for use in the schools that, in its determination, contain:

(a) Any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on the basis of
race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability, nationality, sexual
orientation, occupation, or because of a characteristic listed in
Section 220.
(b) Any sectarian or denominational doctrine or propaganda
contrary to law.
SEC. 6. It is the intent of the Legislature that alternative and
charter schools take notice of the provisions of this act in light of
Section 235 of the Education Code, which prohibits discrimination on
the basis of disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity,
religion, sexual orientation, or other specified characteristics in
any aspect of the operation of alternative and charter schools.
Bill Text: CA Senate Bill 48 - 2011-2012 Regular Session | eLobbyist



Again, what is the problem?

1. Education....e..ducare...'to lead out of [ignornce]'

2. Social engineering, to my lights, is not the province of
public education....this turn to the Left, sponsored by Progressives,
is where the United States began on the path to poorly educated
citizenry.

3. When NEWSWEEK recently asked 1,000 U.S. citizens to take America’s official citizenship test, 29 percent couldn’t name the vice president. Seventy-three percent couldn’t correctly say why we fought the Cold War. Forty-four percent were unable to define the Bill of Rights. And 6 percent couldn’t even circle Independence Day on a calendar.
Don’t get us wrong: civic ignorance is nothing new. For as long as they’ve existed, Americans have been misunderstanding checks and balances and misidentifying their senators. And they’ve been lamenting the philistinism of their peers ever since pollsters started publishing these dispiriting surveys back in Harry Truman’s day. (He was a president, by the way.) According to a study by Michael X. Delli Carpini, dean of the Annenberg School for Communication, the yearly shifts in civic knowledge since World War II have averaged out to “slightly under 1 percent.”
How Ignorant Are Americans? - The Daily Beast

4. It would be perfectly appropriate for you to champion socialism, social engineering,
indocrination, and the other hallmarks of Left-wing educrats...then our positons would
be clearly laid out.

Assuming a finite time limit for the school day, the curriculum and final product for educadion should be carefully considered.
In my view, I want the day filled with traditional subject matter...
....your view, SB48.

What's the problem?
You are.

 

[Jackson]

I'm going to guess that you are a product of the government school system....

...true?

SECTION 1. Section 51204.5 of the Education Code is amended to
read:
51204.5. Instruction in social sciences shall include the early
history of California and a study of the role and contributions of
both men and women, Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican
Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans,
lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with
disabilities, and members of other ethnic and cultural groups, to the
economic, political, and social development of California and the
United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the
role of these groups in contemporary society.
SEC. 2. Section 51500 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51500. A teacher shall not give instruction and a school district
shall not sponsor any activity that promotes a discriminatory bias
on the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,
nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic
listed in Section 220.
SEC. 3. Section 51501 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51501. The state board and any governing board shall not adopt
any textbooks or other instructional materials for use in the public
schools that contain any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on
the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,
nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic
listed in Section 220.
SEC. 4. Section 60040 of the Education Code is amended to read:
60040. When adopting instructional materials for use in the
schools, governing boards shall include only instructional materials
which, in their determination, accurately portray the cultural and
racial diversity of our society, including:
(a) The contributions of both men and women in all types of roles,
including professional, vocational, and executive roles.
(b) The role and contributions of Native Americans, African
Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders,
European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender
Americans, persons with disabilities, and members of other ethnic and
cultural groups to the total development of California and the
United States.
(c) The role and contributions of the entrepreneur and labor in
the total development of California and the United States.
SEC. 5. Section 60044 of the Education Code is amended to read:
60044. A governing board shall not adopt any instructional
materials for use in the schools that, in its determination, contain:

(a) Any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on the basis of
race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability, nationality, sexual
orientation, occupation, or because of a characteristic listed in
Section 220.
(b) Any sectarian or denominational doctrine or propaganda
contrary to law.
SEC. 6. It is the intent of the Legislature that alternative and
charter schools take notice of the provisions of this act in light of
Section 235 of the Education Code, which prohibits discrimination on
the basis of disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity,
religion, sexual orientation, or other specified characteristics in
any aspect of the operation of alternative and charter schools.
Bill Text: CA Senate Bill 48 - 2011-2012 Regular Session | eLobbyist



Again, what is the problem?

1. Education....e..ducare...'to lead out of [ignornce]'

2. Social engineering, to my lights, is not the province of
public education....this turn to the Left, sponsored by Progressives,
is where the United States began on the path to poorly educated
citizenry.

3. When NEWSWEEK recently asked 1,000 U.S. citizens to take America’s official citizenship test, 29 percent couldn’t name the vice president. Seventy-three percent couldn’t correctly say why we fought the Cold War. Forty-four percent were unable to define the Bill of Rights. And 6 percent couldn’t even circle Independence Day on a calendar.
Don’t get us wrong: civic ignorance is nothing new. For as long as they’ve existed, Americans have been misunderstanding checks and balances and misidentifying their senators. And they’ve been lamenting the philistinism of their peers ever since pollsters started publishing these dispiriting surveys back in Harry Truman’s day. (He was a president, by the way.) According to a study by Michael X. Delli Carpini, dean of the Annenberg School for Communication, the yearly shifts in civic knowledge since World War II have averaged out to “slightly under 1 percent.”
How Ignorant Are Americans? - The Daily Beast

4. It would be perfectly appropriate for you to champion socialism, social engineering,
indocrination, and the other hallmarks of Left-wing educrats...then our positons would
be clearly laid out.

Assuming a finite time limit for the school day, the curriculum and final product for educadion should be carefully considered.
In my view, I want the day filled with traditional subject matter...
....your view, SB48.

What's the problem?
You are.

Let's see a compromise here. I say basic education does not mean every minority under the stars. But awareness and instruction of tolerance and understanding of them is important enough to be included in the curriculum in the higher grades where a proper discussion can take place. That would be a well rounded education.

To have it done in the early grade smacks of indoctrination. It would be as if the text books would introduce all Christian values in a reading, language, math and history books in school. Religion is just not discussed because it isn't the role of the school unless it is to
teach diversity and tolerance in the world. That's is where gay rights would fit as well, I would think.

 

[Disir]

I'm going to guess that you are a product of the government school system....

...true?

SECTION 1. Section 51204.5 of the Education Code is amended to
read:
51204.5. Instruction in social sciences shall include the early
history of California and a study of the role and contributions of
both men and women, Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican
Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans,
lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with
disabilities, and members of other ethnic and cultural groups, to the
economic, political, and social development of California and the
United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the
role of these groups in contemporary society.
SEC. 2. Section 51500 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51500. A teacher shall not give instruction and a school district
shall not sponsor any activity that promotes a discriminatory bias
on the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,
nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic
listed in Section 220.
SEC. 3. Section 51501 of the Education Code is amended to read:
51501. The state board and any governing board shall not adopt
any textbooks or other instructional materials for use in the public
schools that contain any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on
the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,
nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic
listed in Section 220.
SEC. 4. Section 60040 of the Education Code is amended to read:
60040. When adopting instructional materials for use in the
schools, governing boards shall include only instructional materials
which, in their determination, accurately portray the cultural and
racial diversity of our society, including:
(a) The contributions of both men and women in all types of roles,
including professional, vocational, and executive roles.
(b) The role and contributions of Native Americans, African
Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders,
European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender
Americans, persons with disabilities, and members of other ethnic and
cultural groups to the total development of California and the
United States.
(c) The role and contributions of the entrepreneur and labor in
the total development of California and the United States.
SEC. 5. Section 60044 of the Education Code is amended to read:
60044. A governing board shall not adopt any instructional
materials for use in the schools that, in its determination, contain:

(a) Any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on the basis of
race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability, nationality, sexual
orientation, occupation, or because of a characteristic listed in
Section 220.
(b) Any sectarian or denominational doctrine or propaganda
contrary to law.
SEC. 6. It is the intent of the Legislature that alternative and
charter schools take notice of the provisions of this act in light of
Section 235 of the Education Code, which prohibits discrimination on
the basis of disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity,
religion, sexual orientation, or other specified characteristics in
any aspect of the operation of alternative and charter schools.
Bill Text: CA Senate Bill 48 - 2011-2012 Regular Session | eLobbyist



Again, what is the problem?

1. Education....e..ducare...'to lead out of [ignornce]'

2. Social engineering, to my lights, is not the province of
public education....this turn to the Left, sponsored by Progressives,
is where the United States began on the path to poorly educated
citizenry.

3. When NEWSWEEK recently asked 1,000 U.S. citizens to take America’s official citizenship test, 29 percent couldn’t name the vice president. Seventy-three percent couldn’t correctly say why we fought the Cold War. Forty-four percent were unable to define the Bill of Rights. And 6 percent couldn’t even circle Independence Day on a calendar.
Don’t get us wrong: civic ignorance is nothing new. For as long as they’ve existed, Americans have been misunderstanding checks and balances and misidentifying their senators. And they’ve been lamenting the philistinism of their peers ever since pollsters started publishing these dispiriting surveys back in Harry Truman’s day. (He was a president, by the way.) According to a study by Michael X. Delli Carpini, dean of the Annenberg School for Communication, the yearly shifts in civic knowledge since World War II have averaged out to “slightly under 1 percent.”
How Ignorant Are Americans? - The Daily Beast

4. It would be perfectly appropriate for you to champion socialism, social engineering,
indocrination, and the other hallmarks of Left-wing educrats...then our positons would
be clearly laid out.

Assuming a finite time limit for the school day, the curriculum and final product for educadion should be carefully considered.
In my view, I want the day filled with traditional subject matter...
....your view, SB48.

What's the problem?
You are.

Read the bill and tell me what is wrong with it. Do you know how?

Every year I watch people freak out over PISA scores. About 470,000 15 year olds in 65 countries take this test.
Finland is always a front runner. This is how they do it:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html?c=y&page=1

Note that equality is important as are the first years of a child's education.

Then there is South Korea. In South Korea kids go to a regular school like our kids do and then go to a hagwon. They will stay here until about 11PM , most often later, and then go home and do it all over again. Keeping those kids later than they should be kept is enough of a problem that they have decided to crack down on it:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2094427,00.html

The most serious flaw with private education, and with “education fever” more broadly in Korea, is the damage done to children. Korean culture places a lot of emphasis on exams and college placements, which creates a "pressure-cooker atmosphere."[38] Thus, most hagwons use a "teach-for-the-test" curriculum that focuses on the memorization of information, standardized multiple-choice tests, and test-taking techniques. Korean students rarely understand the information being taught to them, they are not taught to critically analyze information, and they cannot apply information to other contexts. Students simply become "expert memorizers" of "decontextualized" facts that can only be used to take standardized tests.[39] This teach-for-the-test curriculum "stifle creativity, hinder the development of analytical reasoning, ma[kes] schooling a process of rote memorization of meaningless facts, and drain all the job out of learning."[40] High stakes exams also leads to widespread cheating, grade inflation, and outright bribery.[41]

http://jmbeach.blogspot.com/2011/05/education-fever-in-south-korea.html

You will notice the use of footnotes in his text. Therefore, you can always read where it came from and make sure that he did not take his information out of context.

Have you done any amount of research into the NAEP testing?

Contrary to popular belief, there will be no need to retrain teachers. At most they will go to a teacher's conference which would supply them additional information on people who have helped shape California and the United States but most of this will already be known. Another little fun fact, text books are updated every so many years. It will not be a huge problem.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Seventy-three percent couldn’t correctly say why we fought the Cold War.

To spend taxpayers money on a nuclear weapons industry.

Nuclear arms race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can never have enough nukes. Of course we have fewer now but the targeting is more accurate.

psik