California Leg. OKs funding for high-speed rail line

[Rozman]

Why don't we just get it out there.
We can just take as much money as we can in the form of taxes
from the wealthiest.Then start the temple to Obama.

We can design it similar to the Pyramids.
It puts a shitload of people to work.
and it makes just about as much sense as a high speed rail
line that will cost at least 100k times as much as it was proposed to cost.
and have maybe a couple thousand riders a year.

 

[Trajan]

About time.

 

[Harry Dresden]

and the pot holes on the freeways just get bigger .......

Moonbeam hates freeways.

he hates Education too.....he just cut the budget for it....

 

[Harry Dresden]

These fucking imbeciles. they have saddled us with a money giant suck, that will make the Big Dig look like 2 toddlers in a sandbox, initial segment my ass, once it starts, its on.... they will whine that they cannot stop and 'waste all the money we have spent already', we have seen this shit before.

Just wait, as surely as night follows day...... ridership will be flat, subsidies will follow, then theres the inevitable unionized labor to run this boondoggle, everyone will, IF it is done in 2033....2033 hello, stand around arguing over the money drain, wondering why California has its very own Amtrak charity....

The ballot that we ( not me ) approved 3 years ago had a price tag of $34 Billion , that is now estimated at wait for it..............$98 Billion ( the article below has the wrong cost btw). I'm beside myself.


California OKs funding for high-speed rail line

By JUDY LIN
Associated Press

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- California lawmakers approved billions of dollars Friday in construction financing for the initial segment of the nation's first dedicated high-speed rail line connecting Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The move marked a major political victory for Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown and the Obama administration. Both have promoted bullet trains as job generators and clean transportation alternatives.

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You're so myopic it's all most funny. In San Francisco early in the 20th Century the City leaders build two light rail lines (N Judah & L Taravel) into the Sand Dunes 50 blocks West to the Pacific and 20 blocks North to South (from Golden Gate Part to Lake Merced). With this simple foresight the "Outside Lands" became a viable resource and Henry Dolger and other builders put in nearly 20,000 homes during the boom after WWII.

big fucking deal.....the infrastructure in this State is looking pretty bad Wry.....those Billions could have been used to bring some roads and bridges up to speed.....in case you havent noticed ....California is no longer having a BOOM....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Wasn't this measure approved by the voters four years ago?

no, it was 3 years, and at a price of $34Billion and a completion date of 2020, at a ticket price far enough below airline fares to draw ridership ( they argued) etc etc etc ..thats is all out the window now.

No it wasn't approved by the voters. What the voters approved was a high speed train from Victorville to Las Vegas. This is a high speed train from Bakersfield to San Francisco. If it wasn't passed this month, the state would lose 5 billion from the federal government that was allocated to build the rail line.

The rail line from Victorville to Las Vegas was supposed to cost 68 billion, but now estimates to complete it are upwards of 300 billion. The voters now oppose that line and would vote against it today. That's why the Bakersfield to San Francisco line was never put to a vote.

do you live in this State?......the rail to Vegas was to start in LA & OC....and it was shot down in the Election....and the one in question today is supposed to be from San Diego to Frisco.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

If Golden Gate Park or the Golden Gate Bridge were being considered today the same 'Conservatives' who oppose high speed rail would have complained, "no one needs a huge park, no one will go there and hell, we have Ferry's who needs a damn bridge". By the way, the conservatives in 1900 complained about those damn horseless carriages, and years before that the conservatives claimed the earth was flat and the center of the universe.

Those darn John Birch Society members.

that was the 1970's......geezus.....

 

[Wry Catcher]

Transportation agencies are not in business, they facilitate commerce but are not engaged in profit making.

How's that Airline Industry doing? Deregulation has done wonders:

The high cost of deregulation: Joblessness, bankruptcy, debt

god Ur just out there, who here asked for a profit?

it it to much to ask that they run flat?

that means- pay for itself...

I maybe out there, trying to make a point with double digit IQs and the willfully ignorant is pretty foolish.

How much does public transportation add to the economy. One who only looks at the cost does not see the entire picture. I'd spell it out but it is very obvious to those with triple digit IQs with open minds.

 

[MeBelle]

Think beyond your biases, your posts may then not be so silly.

California's biggest community college fights to survive - Yahoo! News

Wry doesn't care about children and education.

Wry has stated he already 'has his'.

Where is rdean?

 

[thereisnospoon]

These fucking imbeciles. they have saddled us with a money giant suck, that will make the Big Dig look like 2 toddlers in a sandbox, initial segment my ass, once it starts, its on.... they will whine that they cannot stop and 'waste all the money we have spent already', we have seen this shit before.

Just wait, as surely as night follows day...... ridership will be flat, subsidies will follow, then theres the inevitable unionized labor to run this boondoggle, everyone will, IF it is done in 2033....2033 hello, stand around arguing over the money drain, wondering why California has its very own Amtrak charity....

The ballot that we ( not me ) approved 3 years ago had a price tag of $34 Billion , that is now estimated at wait for it..............$98 Billion ( the article below has the wrong cost btw). I'm beside myself.


California OKs funding for high-speed rail line

By JUDY LIN
Associated Press

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- California lawmakers approved billions of dollars Friday in construction financing for the initial segment of the nation's first dedicated high-speed rail line connecting Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The move marked a major political victory for Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown and the Obama administration. Both have promoted bullet trains as job generators and clean transportation alternatives.

more at-
News from The Associated Press

ANd the money to pay for this will come from where?
I am not averse to mass transit. If there is a state in dire need for rail transit, it is California.
Mass transit should fund itself. In other words, the users should pay for it.
To date, most mass transit is subsidized by property owners and those operating autos.
Mass transit is usually presented as an opportunity for urban development or revitalization.
COnstruction of these systems almost NEVER runs within budget. Promises of grand results never materialize and course the ridership estimates are always overblown.

 

[Oddball]

Transportation agencies are not in business, they facilitate commerce but are not engaged in profit making.

How's that Airline Industry doing? Deregulation has done wonders:

The high cost of deregulation: Joblessness, bankruptcy, debt

god Ur just out there, who here asked for a profit?

it it to much to ask that they run flat?

that means- pay for itself...

I maybe out there, trying to make a point with double digit IQs and the willfully ignorant is pretty foolish.

How much does public transportation add to the economy. One who only looks at the cost does not see the entire picture. I'd spell it out but it is very obvious to those with triple digit IQs with open minds.

More likely that your spelling sucks.

 

[zonly1]

100 miles at $2bill across fertile alluvial soil and majority don't won't it...thanks moonbeam..drive it off the golden gate bridge and you were too drunk to find your ass, pathetic how socialism hasn't reach the free riders.

The lost acreage to fallow in san juaguin district is due to another libnut epa idear...the delta smelt ..most commonly refer to to as fish bait. This could be considered as a perlude to passing ultimate debt trap of point of no return. Thanks moombeam...a class all by himself in sinking California along with the rest of the republic.

 

[Katzndogz]

no, it was 3 years, and at a price of $34Billion and a completion date of 2020, at a ticket price far enough below airline fares to draw ridership ( they argued) etc etc etc ..thats is all out the window now.

No it wasn't approved by the voters. What the voters approved was a high speed train from Victorville to Las Vegas. This is a high speed train from Bakersfield to San Francisco. If it wasn't passed this month, the state would lose 5 billion from the federal government that was allocated to build the rail line.

The rail line from Victorville to Las Vegas was supposed to cost 68 billion, but now estimates to complete it are upwards of 300 billion. The voters now oppose that line and would vote against it today. That's why the Bakersfield to San Francisco line was never put to a vote.

do you live in this State?......the rail to Vegas was to start in LA & OC....and it was shot down in the Election....and the one in question today is supposed to be from San Diego to Frisco.....

I DO live in the state. The rail is STILL supposed to start in LA. They just can't afford to buy land in LA, OR OC. Property values will have to drop drastically before the land had a faint hope of being used. The first section will be built starting in Victorville. Like the first section of the LA to SF line will be built connecting Madera and Bakersfield.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Think beyond your biases, your posts may then not be so silly.

California's biggest community college fights to survive - Yahoo! News

Wry doesn't care about children and education.

Wry has stated he already 'has his'.

Where is rdean?

Wry does care about children and education. Simply because Wry called out your inability to post anything of substance you've been pouting. I assume "MeBelle60" meant you are 60 years old, not 6. Mea Culpa child, from now on I'll judge your posts by your mental age.

 

[Wry Catcher]

god Ur just out there, who here asked for a profit?

it it to much to ask that they run flat?

that means- pay for itself...

I maybe out there, trying to make a point with double digit IQs and the willfully ignorant is pretty foolish.

How much does public transportation add to the economy. One who only looks at the cost does not see the entire picture. I'd spell it out but it is very obvious to those with triple digit IQs with open minds.

More likely that your spelling sucks.

It is much more likely you're a cavil curmudgeon, a much easier role to play than to offer a critical evaluation - the former must come natural to you and the latter not so much.

 

[RoadVirus]

So who get's their balls cut off if this thing turns out to be nothing more then a financial black hole? My guess is it won't be Governor Moonie.

 

[MeBelle]

Think beyond your biases, your posts may then not be so silly.

California's biggest community college fights to survive - Yahoo! News

Wry doesn't care about children and education.

Wry has stated he already 'has his'.

Where is rdean?

Wry does care about children and education. Simply because Wry called out your inability to post anything of substance you've been pouting. I assume "MeBelle60" meant you are 60 years old, not 6. Mea Culpa child, from now on I'll judge your posts by your mental age.

Called me out, where?

Wry proves he does not care about children. Wry doesn't care that a community college, that serves his fellow statesmen is in danger of closing, because of budget cuts.
Wry cheers that California has put itself further in debt.
Wry only cares that he 'got his'.

Wry is a perfect example of many things wrong with the state of California.

And for a retired LEO Wry also proves his instincts regarding my screen name to be a massive fail.

Wry will cry when whatever city or county he retired from files bankruptcy.

Who's next after Stockton?

 

[MeBelle]

I maybe out there, trying to make a point with double digit IQs and the willfully ignorant is pretty foolish.

How much does public transportation add to the economy. One who only looks at the cost does not see the entire picture. I'd spell it out but it is very obvious to those with triple digit IQs with open minds.

More likely that your spelling sucks.

It is much more likely you're a cavil curmudgeon, a much easier role to play than to offer a critical evaluation - the former must come natural to you and the latter not so much.

An example of a Wry post 'with anything of substance'.

 

[JagOnDaRoad]

These fucking imbeciles. they have saddled us with a money giant suck, that will make the Big Dig look like 2 toddlers in a sandbox, initial segment my ass, once it starts, its on.... they will whine that they cannot stop and 'waste all the money we have spent already', we have seen this shit before.

Just wait, as surely as night follows day...... ridership will be flat, subsidies will follow, then theres the inevitable unionized labor to run this boondoggle, everyone will, IF it is done in 2033....2033 hello, stand around arguing over the money drain, wondering why California has its very own Amtrak charity....

The ballot that we ( not me ) approved 3 years ago had a price tag of $34 Billion , that is now estimated at wait for it..............$98 Billion ( the article below has the wrong cost btw). I'm beside myself.


California OKs funding for high-speed rail line

By JUDY LIN
Associated Press

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- California lawmakers approved billions of dollars Friday in construction financing for the initial segment of the nation's first dedicated high-speed rail line connecting Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The move marked a major political victory for Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown and the Obama administration. Both have promoted bullet trains as job generators and clean transportation alternatives.

more at-
News from The Associated Press

It will not end until they are not allowed to borrow. HOW do we cut their credit card up? How do we keep the money we would spend to generate new business out of their hands to spend to stupidly on just plain dumb projects? HOW HOW HOW!!! VOTE DEMOCRATS OUT OF OFFICE, and give the Reps a big kick in the keister and let em know they are next.

 

[JagOnDaRoad]

More likely that your spelling sucks.

It is much more likely you're a cavil curmudgeon, a much easier role to play than to offer a critical evaluation - the former must come natural to you and the latter not so much.

An example of a Wry post 'with anything of substance'.

Well, if I had a triple digit IQ, and I think I do, I'd wonder why someone would want to use money so unproductively, when it could be used more effectively on something else....like reduced tax burden on the producers.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It is much more likely you're a cavil curmudgeon, a much easier role to play than to offer a critical evaluation - the former must come natural to you and the latter not so much.

An example of a Wry post 'with anything of substance'.

Well, if I had a triple digit IQ, and I think I do, I'd wonder why someone would want to use money so unproductively, when it could be used more effectively on something else....like reduced tax burden on the producers.

Or a war of choice, invading Iraq, Granada, Panama, etc. How about the war on drugs - how did Just say No work?

IMO it's all about priorities.