CDZ California has every single gun control law...and the Fresno killer killed 3 people with a gun....

This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia


Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824
Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe


We already have gun crime rates better than the rest of Europe...we also have tiny areas, democrat voting districts, where they have destroyed minority families to the point they see murder as a viable option for an insult on Facebook......15 year olds in these democrat voting districts murdering other 15 year olds over insults and also under orders from their gang leadership.
Are these "tiny areas" American ?


They are democrat voting districts........did you see the latest crime stats from merry old England.....? Gun crime up 42% in London.....violent crime up 90%, 70%, 45%......depending on the area of Britain you are in......your social welfare system is destroying your ability to create civilized citizens....
You deserve much credit for informing the anti-gunners. You provide facts and they provide dogma. Apparently some people are incapable of learning and the State loves them.
 
This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia


Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824
Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe

no we wouldn't since we are a completely different country with different people different socioeconomic realities and cultures

we have always had a higher murder rate in this country than the UK ad we always will until we fix the problems where the most gun violence is occurring, our major urban areas
Yes we do have a different culture

We have a gun culture where a gun is a solution to our problems. Even the smallest weakest man becomes a big shot when he is packing a gun

Better not fuck with me.....
so you have something against smaller weaker people being able to protect themselves with the most effective tool possible
 
Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824
Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe


We already have gun crime rates better than the rest of Europe...we also have tiny areas, democrat voting districts, where they have destroyed minority families to the point they see murder as a viable option for an insult on Facebook......15 year olds in these democrat voting districts murdering other 15 year olds over insults and also under orders from their gang leadership.
Are these "tiny areas" American ?


They are democrat voting districts........did you see the latest crime stats from merry old England.....? Gun crime up 42% in London.....violent crime up 90%, 70%, 45%......depending on the area of Britain you are in......your social welfare system is destroying your ability to create civilized citizens....
So they are American ?


They are in democrat voting districts......the rest of the country has the same or lower levels of gun crime than Europe...especially now that violent crime is sky rocketing throughout Britain...
 
This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia


Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824
Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe

no we wouldn't since we are a completely different country with different people different socioeconomic realities and cultures

we have always had a higher murder rate in this country than the UK ad we always will until we fix the problems where the most gun violence is occurring, our major urban areas
Yes we do have a different culture

We have a gun culture where a gun is a solution to our problems. Even the smallest weakest man becomes a big shot when he is packing a gun

Better not fuck with me.....


No...we have a majority gun culture that use guns responsibly...for hunting, self defense, sport, collecting......and then we have the criminal culture fostered by democrats in the voting districts they control....you want to attack the peaceful gun culture but leave the democrat gun culture alone to fester and create more death...you are really mixed up.
 
the gunners are so duped that they don't realize they are conditioned to accept NRA propaganda with all of its holes and inconsistencies in log


Please.....first, point out NRA propaganda...second, please point out the alleged holes and inconsistencies....I dare you.
 
We begin now with 2aguy having admitted that he has not honestly compared logic, facts, and numbers between the USA and the UK.
 
Would Chicago actually be worse off, with no gun control laws?


It would actually be better off, since normal, law abiding people could get guns as easily as the criminals do. It would help drive down the violent crime rates.

What Chicago needs is improved sentencing laws for gun criminals....their gun crime is being driven by about 1,500 people who are repeatedly arrested on gun charges, and are either released or serve less than 2 years in prison.....they then get out and commit murder with a gun. Lock those people up for 30 years...and you will see peace on Chicago streets. And when you lock them up...send them to federal prisons out of state...
 
We begin now with 2aguy having admitted that he has not honestly compared logic, facts, and numbers between the USA and the UK.


Keep being delusional .......it doesn't help your points...
 
the gunners are so duped that they don't realize they are conditioned to accept NRA propaganda with all of its holes and inconsistencies in log
you do realize that not all gun owners belong to the NRA don't you?
You do realize your deflection supports my point: you are a dupe of the NRA.
sorry not a member of the NRA never have been
Don't have to be a member to be duped by NRA propaganda.
 
the gunners are so duped that they don't realize they are conditioned to accept NRA propaganda with all of its holes and inconsistencies in log
you do realize that not all gun owners belong to the NRA don't you?
You do realize your deflection supports my point: you are a dupe of the NRA.
sorry not a member of the NRA never have been
Don't have to be a member to be duped by NRA propaganda.


And what is this propaganda? And if you aren't a gun owner....or buyer, where exactly would it cross your path?
 
I have owned weapons since I was 9 or 10.

I own several now, having given some to my sons and grandsons.

I know that I am safer from gun violence in the UK than the USA: logic, facts, and evidence prove that statement.
 
This article lists all of the gun control laws that California has.....and all of them combined could not stop this guy from shooting 3 people.

The guy was a felon..which means he couldn't buy, own or carry a gun in any other state......and he had multiple gun convictions and he was still walking around free.....

Had they done what I have suggested....and put this felon in jail for 30 years for his illegal possession of guns as a felon......those people would still be alive ....

So......what is the next law that you guys want...that won't work....?

Strict California Gun Control Impotent to Stop Fresno Attack - Breitbart

California has universal background checks, which means no one can legally buy a gun without doing so via a background check under the auspices of a Federal Firearms License (FFL). California also requires all firearms to be registered with the state, and has gun confiscation laws, Gun Violence Restraining Orders, a 10-day waiting period on gun purchases, an “assault weapons” ban, a “high capacity” magazine ban, and so much more. Yet not one of these laws prevented Muhammad’s attack.

It is interesting to note that Breitbart News pointed out the futility of a “high capacity” magazine ban, even as California Democrats were pushing it as part of a public safety campaign last year. After all, the Santa Barbara attacker, Elliot Rodger, only used 10-round magazines in shooting three people to death on May 23, 2104. “High capacity” magazines were not necessary.

We saw the same thing in Fresno Tuesday, where the Los Angeles Times reports that Muhammad allegedly used a .357 revolver to kill three innocents. In other words, he used a gun that does not even take magazines; a gun that requires the shooter to open a cylinder, eject the shell casings, and reload every five to seven shots.

In addition, Muhammad was a felon, which means he faced a 100 percent gun ban, yet he had a gun on Tuesday. Moreover, Tuesday’s attack was not the first time Muhammad had possessed a gun as a felon: the Times noted that he “was indicted by a federal grand jury in February 2005 for possession of cocaine with intent to distribute, possession of a firearm for drug trafficking and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, after a Fresno police officer searched his car and found two large bags of cocaine, a loaded handgun and two rifles.”
And omg only 30000 murders here last year? And we are whining about one guy. ??
You do know white boys have killed the same number as Muslims here? About 75 each over 10 years, SEVENTY FIVE. No problem with sandy hook?
 
And another point.....the British banned and confiscated guns after the mass shooting in Dunblane, Scotland....how many other mass shootings did they have to justify disarming all of their citizens and exposing them to violent criminal attack?

There was one in 1987, the Dunblane in 1996, and then in 2010....after they banned guns....they had one in Cumbria (12 people killed....after they banned and confiscated guns.....which they did to stop these types of shootings after Dunblane)

So.....when the British people were allowed to have guns....they didn't have many mass shootings.....total of about 1 before Dunblane..........after they banned guns and confiscated them...so far they have had....1.......

Their gun ban and confiscation didn't even change their mass shooting number........
Which remains 20x less than ours. Oh, sorry it's the uppity nixxers here you said. Not our upstanding white guys
 
Yet with very harsh gun laws in the UK, no one was shot in Greater London. Hmmm.
All this cut and paste from a country that is famous for its murder rate. I'd keep my trap shut if I were them. Hardly a high platform to pontificate from
 

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