CDZ California has every single gun control law...and the Fresno killer killed 3 people with a gun....

[JakeStarkey]

The numbers in comparison clearly demonstrate living in the UK is much safer statistically than in the USA.

2aguy has steadily refused above to a numbers and stats clear comparison, preferring to do an "an apples and oranges" inaccurate comparison.

This is an argument he can never win.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The numbers in comparison clearly demonstrate living in the UK is much safer statistically than in the USA.

2aguy has steadily refused above to a numbers and stats clear comparison, preferring to do an "an apples and oranges" inaccurate comparison.

This is an argument he can never win.

those who choose safety over liberty deserve neither

 

[miketx]

This article lists all of the gun control laws that California has.....and all of them combined could not stop this guy from shooting 3 people.

The guy was a felon..which means he couldn't buy, own or carry a gun in any other state......and he had multiple gun convictions and he was still walking around free.....

Had they done what I have suggested....and put this felon in jail for 30 years for his illegal possession of guns as a felon......those people would still be alive ....

So......what is the next law that you guys want...that won't work....?

Strict California Gun Control Impotent to Stop Fresno Attack - Breitbart

California has universal background checks, which means no one can legally buy a gun without doing so via a background check under the auspices of a Federal Firearms License (FFL). California also requires all firearms to be registered with the state, and has gun confiscation laws, Gun Violence Restraining Orders, a 10-day waiting period on gun purchases, an “assault weapons” ban, a “high capacity” magazine ban, and so much more. Yet not one of these laws prevented Muhammad’s attack.

It is interesting to note that Breitbart News pointed out the futility of a “high capacity” magazine ban, even as California Democrats were pushing it as part of a public safety campaign last year. After all, the Santa Barbara attacker, Elliot Rodger, only used 10-round magazines in shooting three people to death on May 23, 2104. “High capacity” magazines were not necessary.

We saw the same thing in Fresno Tuesday, where the Los Angeles Times reports that Muhammad allegedly used a .357 revolver to kill three innocents. In other words, he used a gun that does not even take magazines; a gun that requires the shooter to open a cylinder, eject the shell casings, and reload every five to seven shots.

In addition, Muhammad was a felon, which means he faced a 100 percent gun ban, yet he had a gun on Tuesday. Moreover, Tuesday’s attack was not the first time Muhammad had possessed a gun as a felon: the Times noted that he “was indicted by a federal grand jury in February 2005 for possession of cocaine with intent to distribute, possession of a firearm for drug trafficking and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, after a Fresno police officer searched his car and found two large bags of cocaine, a loaded handgun and two rifles.”

What is your point? We have Ten religious Commandments from a god; yet, we also have, man made laws on the books. If only, Persons could be moral enough, to be legal to our own laws.

Pretends not to to know what the point is.....hates guns....saw it on CNN.....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Only advanced country where this shit happens says nothing can be done.

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[gipper]

Only advanced country where this shit happens says nothing can be done.

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You clearly aren't paying attention. Criminals who commit gun crimes get long term prison sentences... that will greatly reduce gun crime.

Taking guns away from the law abiding, as the ruling class so desires, only results in tyranny. You have nothing in common with the ruling class, so why do you allow them to dupe you repeatedly?

 

[miketx]

Only advanced country where this shit happens says nothing can be done.

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You clearly aren't paying attention. Criminals who commit gun crimes get long term prison sentences... that will greatly reduce gun crime.

Taking guns away from the law abiding, as the ruling class so desires, only results in tyranny. You have nothing in common with the ruling class, so why do you allow them to dupe you repeatedly?

He and others have been so conditioned they do not know they are being duped. If and when the unfeeling muslim butchers rampage, they will not survive.

 

[gipper]

Only advanced country where this shit happens says nothing can be done.

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You clearly aren't paying attention. Criminals who commit gun crimes get long term prison sentences... that will greatly reduce gun crime.

Taking guns away from the law abiding, as the ruling class so desires, only results in tyranny. You have nothing in common with the ruling class, so why do you allow them to dupe you repeatedly?

He and others have been so conditioned they do not know they are being duped.

Yes you are so right...the state has tremendous power over non-thinking people like our Little Tommy.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Only advanced country where this shit happens says nothing can be done.

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plenty can be done we just won't do it

plenty can be done without restricting law abiding citizens' rights to own firearms

 

[rightwinger]

If gun laws cannot stop every possible gun murder....there is no need for gun laws

Gun laws aren't stopping gun murder at all....the criminals who want to commit murder with guns, get the guns and use them.

We have the laws we need to deal with them....if you commit a crime with a gun you are arrested and locked up. The problem, as you know, is that the sentences for gun criminals are low...even repeat gun criminals...but that isn't your focus anyway. Anti gunners like you only care about normal, law abiding gun owners who don't use their guns for crime....since you know that when a criminal uses a gun and is caught...you get their gun.....the problem that drives you nuts...are all the normal gun owners, who do not commit crimes with guns who are out of your reach...so you have to make up process laws to put them in reach of your gun grabbing....

Gun laws stop murder all around the globe. But can't stop EVERY murder which you celebrate

No...they don't....

How about trying to give us another law, on top of the ones California already has that would have stopped this murder....or how about for France? Since they have even more gun control than California has?

Gun Registration.....

The guy in California would not have to register his illegally owned guns from the ruling Haynes v. United states.....France....the convicted criminal could not buy, own or carry the fully automatic AK-47 since they are completely illegal in France, and on top of that he was a convicted criminal who served 15 out of 20 years for previously trying to kill police officers.

The only people who would be required to register guns...law abiding citizens who do not use their guns to commit crime, and if they do, can already be caught and arrested using current law enforcement techniques.

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Background checks.....

the guy in California could not pass a current, federal background check, or a background check on private sales...he still got the gun he used to commit murder....

France.....there are no background checks for fully automatic military rifles since they are completely banned...and the shooter was already a convicted felon so could not pass any background check at all...in fact, he was already on a government, terrorist watch list before the shooting and had been arrested the previous month for trying to buy illegal guns....

Normal gun owners already undergo background checks at licensed gun stores, making them necessary for private sales would increase the cost of doing them and may make it impossible to get them done, since not everyone lives near a gun store.....and since criminals do not go through background checks, and use straw buyers or steal the guns, the criminals who wanted a gun from a private seller, would simply use a straw buyer to buy the gun or steal the gun....

Magazine Limits....

The guy in California could not legally buy, own or carry the gun he used, so he could not have any magazine of any kind. The gun he acquired illegally, and used, was a revolver and does not use any magazine.

The guy in France, used an illegal, fully automatic rifle with a "high Capacity" magazine..which are both illegal in France and which he could not legally buy, own or carry since he was already a convicted, violent criminal on a government terrorist watch list....

Magazine limits....limit the number of bullets normal, law abiding gun owners can have in their guns...which the do not use to commit crimes or mass shootings....but may need for self defense....criminals and mass shooters...get those magazines easily. Also. by banning magazines...the anti gunners also ban the guns that use them....it is a back door gun ban.

So....at this point the 3 most popular new gun law fantasies of anti gunners are shown how they would not have stopped criminals or mass shooters from getting illegal guns...but they do make normal gun owners criminals if they fail to comply with these aribtrary laws....

30 year jail sentence....

The actual solution. in California, because of previous gun violence convictions, the shooter would have still been in jail, and his victims would be alive today.

in France....because of previous violent crimes and gun crimes the shooter would have been in jail and the victims would still be alive and unharmed.

Criminals who use guns to commit crimes would be punished, and law abiding gun owners would be left alone.

I will gladly take France's murder rate over our own

buy a one way ticket

FYI Our murder rate is the same as it was in 1950 and still declining.

and our higher murder rate is a result of just a few ultra-violent urban areas and not because law abiding people own firearms

Cherry picking

 

[Skull Pilot]

Gun laws aren't stopping gun murder at all....the criminals who want to commit murder with guns, get the guns and use them.

We have the laws we need to deal with them....if you commit a crime with a gun you are arrested and locked up. The problem, as you know, is that the sentences for gun criminals are low...even repeat gun criminals...but that isn't your focus anyway. Anti gunners like you only care about normal, law abiding gun owners who don't use their guns for crime....since you know that when a criminal uses a gun and is caught...you get their gun.....the problem that drives you nuts...are all the normal gun owners, who do not commit crimes with guns who are out of your reach...so you have to make up process laws to put them in reach of your gun grabbing....

Gun laws stop murder all around the globe. But can't stop EVERY murder which you celebrate

No...they don't....

How about trying to give us another law, on top of the ones California already has that would have stopped this murder....or how about for France? Since they have even more gun control than California has?

Gun Registration.....

The guy in California would not have to register his illegally owned guns from the ruling Haynes v. United states.....France....the convicted criminal could not buy, own or carry the fully automatic AK-47 since they are completely illegal in France, and on top of that he was a convicted criminal who served 15 out of 20 years for previously trying to kill police officers.

The only people who would be required to register guns...law abiding citizens who do not use their guns to commit crime, and if they do, can already be caught and arrested using current law enforcement techniques.

--------

Background checks.....

the guy in California could not pass a current, federal background check, or a background check on private sales...he still got the gun he used to commit murder....

France.....there are no background checks for fully automatic military rifles since they are completely banned...and the shooter was already a convicted felon so could not pass any background check at all...in fact, he was already on a government, terrorist watch list before the shooting and had been arrested the previous month for trying to buy illegal guns....

Normal gun owners already undergo background checks at licensed gun stores, making them necessary for private sales would increase the cost of doing them and may make it impossible to get them done, since not everyone lives near a gun store.....and since criminals do not go through background checks, and use straw buyers or steal the guns, the criminals who wanted a gun from a private seller, would simply use a straw buyer to buy the gun or steal the gun....

Magazine Limits....

The guy in California could not legally buy, own or carry the gun he used, so he could not have any magazine of any kind. The gun he acquired illegally, and used, was a revolver and does not use any magazine.

The guy in France, used an illegal, fully automatic rifle with a "high Capacity" magazine..which are both illegal in France and which he could not legally buy, own or carry since he was already a convicted, violent criminal on a government terrorist watch list....

Magazine limits....limit the number of bullets normal, law abiding gun owners can have in their guns...which the do not use to commit crimes or mass shootings....but may need for self defense....criminals and mass shooters...get those magazines easily. Also. by banning magazines...the anti gunners also ban the guns that use them....it is a back door gun ban.

So....at this point the 3 most popular new gun law fantasies of anti gunners are shown how they would not have stopped criminals or mass shooters from getting illegal guns...but they do make normal gun owners criminals if they fail to comply with these aribtrary laws....

30 year jail sentence....

The actual solution. in California, because of previous gun violence convictions, the shooter would have still been in jail, and his victims would be alive today.

in France....because of previous violent crimes and gun crimes the shooter would have been in jail and the victims would still be alive and unharmed.

Criminals who use guns to commit crimes would be punished, and law abiding gun owners would be left alone.

I will gladly take France's murder rate over our own

buy a one way ticket

FYI Our murder rate is the same as it was in 1950 and still declining.

and our higher murder rate is a result of just a few ultra-violent urban areas and not because law abiding people own firearms

Cherry picking

no not really

those are just facts that are relevant

 

[rightwinger]

This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe




.

 

[Skull Pilot]

This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe

no we wouldn't since we are a completely different country with different people different socioeconomic realities and cultures

we have always had a higher murder rate in this country than the UK ad we always will until we fix the problems where the most gun violence is occurring, our major urban areas

 

[2aguy]

Only advanced country where this shit happens says nothing can be done.

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No.
We know exactly what to do...you arrest gun criminals and lock them up for 30 years.......but the democrats here refuse to do that...they fight real prison time even for repeat, violent gun criminals....can you explain that for us? Why they fight against locking up dangerous gun criminals...even after repeated arrests?

 

[2aguy]

This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe

We already have gun crime rates better than the rest of Europe...we also have tiny areas, democrat voting districts, where they have destroyed minority families to the point they see murder as a viable option for an insult on Facebook......15 year olds in these democrat voting districts murdering other 15 year olds over insults and also under orders from their gang leadership.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe

We already have gun crime rates better than the rest of Europe...we also have tiny areas, democrat voting districts, where they have destroyed minority families to the point they see murder as a viable option for an insult on Facebook......15 year olds in these democrat voting districts murdering other 15 year olds over insults and also under orders from their gang leadership.

Are these "tiny areas" American ?

 

[2aguy]

This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe

We already have gun crime rates better than the rest of Europe...we also have tiny areas, democrat voting districts, where they have destroyed minority families to the point they see murder as a viable option for an insult on Facebook......15 year olds in these democrat voting districts murdering other 15 year olds over insults and also under orders from their gang leadership.

Are these "tiny areas" American ?

They are democrat voting districts........did you see the latest crime stats from merry old England.....? Gun crime up 42% in London.....violent crime up 90%, 70%, 45%......depending on the area of Britain you are in......your social welfare system is destroying your ability to create civilized citizens....

 

[gipper]

Only advanced country where this shit happens says nothing can be done.

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No.
We know exactly what to do...you arrest gun criminals and lock them up for 30 years.......but the democrats here refuse to do that...they fight real prison time even for repeat, violent gun criminals....can you explain that for us? Why they fight against locking up dangerous gun criminals...even after repeated arrests?

As you well know (but dupes like Tommy never will), because increasing crime grows the power of the State and the Ds use imprisoning minority criminals in an heinous and deceptive effort, to garner minority votes.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe

We already have gun crime rates better than the rest of Europe...we also have tiny areas, democrat voting districts, where they have destroyed minority families to the point they see murder as a viable option for an insult on Facebook......15 year olds in these democrat voting districts murdering other 15 year olds over insults and also under orders from their gang leadership.

Are these "tiny areas" American ?

They are democrat voting districts........did you see the latest crime stats from merry old England.....? Gun crime up 42% in London.....violent crime up 90%, 70%, 45%......depending on the area of Britain you are in......your social welfare system is destroying your ability to create civilized citizens....

So they are American ?

 

[rightwinger]

This is why 2aguy's numbers in UK mean nothing, because they is what you get when you compare them to the USA:

Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5]21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

Jake can't even get the fatal gun accident numbers in perspective...since they have been going down as more Americans own and carry guns....

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC


2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Proof that gun laws are working

Now, if we can get rid of the rest of them we could have murder rates as low as Europe

no we wouldn't since we are a completely different country with different people different socioeconomic realities and cultures

we have always had a higher murder rate in this country than the UK ad we always will until we fix the problems where the most gun violence is occurring, our major urban areas

Yes we do have a different culture

We have a gun culture where a gun is a solution to our problems. Even the smallest weakest man becomes a big shot when he is packing a gun

Better not fuck with me.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

the gunners are so duped that they don't realize they are conditioned to accept NRA propaganda with all of its holes and inconsistencies in log