CDZ California has every single gun control law...and the Fresno killer killed 3 people with a gun....

We have laws against murder....yet we still have murder
We have laws against rape ....yet still have rapes

I guess the only logical solution is not to have laws

That is what the anarchist are really arguing for when they whine about getting government out of our lives.

If gun laws cannot stop every possible gun murder....there is no need for gun laws


Yes......when asked a question, you resort to this.....very helpful....
 
We have laws against murder....yet we still have murder
We have laws against rape ....yet still have rapes

I guess the only logical solution is not to have laws

That is what the anarchist are really arguing for when they whine about getting government out of our lives.

If gun laws cannot stop every possible gun murder....there is no need for gun laws

Gun laws aren't stopping gun murder at all....the criminals who want to commit murder with guns, get the guns and use them.

We have the laws we need to deal with them....if you commit a crime with a gun you are arrested and locked up. The problem, as you know, is that the sentences for gun criminals are low...even repeat gun criminals...but that isn't your focus anyway. Anti gunners like you only care about normal, law abiding gun owners who don't use their guns for crime....since you know that when a criminal uses a gun and is caught...you get their gun.....the problem that drives you nuts...are all the normal gun owners, who do not commit crimes with guns who are out of your reach...so you have to make up process laws to put them in reach of your gun grabbing....
 
2aguy, you cannot have it both ways. Gun laws have worked very well in the UK, and, in comparison with out stats, is head and shoulders better than the USA.

Either Gun Laws work or they don't. If they work, then we should have them. If they don't, then we should get rid of them.
 
2aguy, you cannot have it both ways. Gun laws have worked very well in the UK, and, in comparison with out stats, is head and shoulders better than the USA.

Either Gun Laws work or they don't. If they work, then we should have them. If they don't, then we should get rid of them.


No...gun laws haven't worked out in Britain...their gun murder rate didn't change after the ban...in fact, it has gone up...and their gun crime has gone up as has their violent crime rate.....if that is success they could do with a lot less success....

The gun laws you support do not work.....they are the ones that failed in California, and just keep failing in France.....two places that have all he gun laws you want...

There is one thing that actually works....locking up violent criminals who use guns or are caught in possession of guns....if the shooter in California been in jail for 30 years on his previous gun crime, his victims would be alive today.....if the muslim terrorist in France had been locked up for 30 years...better, life......his victims would be alive today........

Your gun laws do nothing to stop crime or mass shooters.....the ones we want...actually stop criminals...and have the benefit of leaving normal gun owners alone.
 
2aguy thinks because he says gun laws don't work, instead of providing objective stats (like recognizing murders went up proportionally with population growth), etc., that is comments are nonsensical.

Another nonfactual comment is that "gun laws do nothing to stop crime or mass shooters," the logical conclusion being insinuated is that we should simply get rid of all gun laws.

Please converse realistically, 2aguy.
 
We have laws against murder....yet we still have murder
We have laws against rape ....yet still have rapes

I guess the only logical solution is not to have laws

That is what the anarchist are really arguing for when they whine about getting government out of our lives.

If gun laws cannot stop every possible gun murder....there is no need for gun laws

Gun laws aren't stopping gun murder at all....the criminals who want to commit murder with guns, get the guns and use them.

We have the laws we need to deal with them....if you commit a crime with a gun you are arrested and locked up. The problem, as you know, is that the sentences for gun criminals are low...even repeat gun criminals...but that isn't your focus anyway. Anti gunners like you only care about normal, law abiding gun owners who don't use their guns for crime....since you know that when a criminal uses a gun and is caught...you get their gun.....the problem that drives you nuts...are all the normal gun owners, who do not commit crimes with guns who are out of your reach...so you have to make up process laws to put them in reach of your gun grabbing....
Gun laws stop murder all around the globe. But can't stop EVERY murder which you celebrate
 
We have laws against murder....yet we still have murder
We have laws against rape ....yet still have rapes

I guess the only logical solution is not to have laws

That is what the anarchist are really arguing for when they whine about getting government out of our lives.

If gun laws cannot stop every possible gun murder....there is no need for gun laws

Gun laws aren't stopping gun murder at all....the criminals who want to commit murder with guns, get the guns and use them.

We have the laws we need to deal with them....if you commit a crime with a gun you are arrested and locked up. The problem, as you know, is that the sentences for gun criminals are low...even repeat gun criminals...but that isn't your focus anyway. Anti gunners like you only care about normal, law abiding gun owners who don't use their guns for crime....since you know that when a criminal uses a gun and is caught...you get their gun.....the problem that drives you nuts...are all the normal gun owners, who do not commit crimes with guns who are out of your reach...so you have to make up process laws to put them in reach of your gun grabbing....
Gun laws stop murder all around the globe. But can't stop EVERY murder which you celebrate
He is a proponent for the NRA, nothing more.
 
We have laws against murder....yet we still have murder
We have laws against rape ....yet still have rapes

I guess the only logical solution is not to have laws

That is what the anarchist are really arguing for when they whine about getting government out of our lives.

If gun laws cannot stop every possible gun murder....there is no need for gun laws

Gun laws aren't stopping gun murder at all....the criminals who want to commit murder with guns, get the guns and use them.

We have the laws we need to deal with them....if you commit a crime with a gun you are arrested and locked up. The problem, as you know, is that the sentences for gun criminals are low...even repeat gun criminals...but that isn't your focus anyway. Anti gunners like you only care about normal, law abiding gun owners who don't use their guns for crime....since you know that when a criminal uses a gun and is caught...you get their gun.....the problem that drives you nuts...are all the normal gun owners, who do not commit crimes with guns who are out of your reach...so you have to make up process laws to put them in reach of your gun grabbing....
Gun laws stop murder all around the globe. But can't stop EVERY murder which you celebrate


No...they don't....

How about trying to give us another law, on top of the ones California already has that would have stopped this murder....or how about for France? Since they have even more gun control than California has?

Gun Registration.....

The guy in California would not have to register his illegally owned guns from the ruling Haynes v. United states.....France....the convicted criminal could not buy, own or carry the fully automatic AK-47 since they are completely illegal in France, and on top of that he was a convicted criminal who served 15 out of 20 years for previously trying to kill police officers.

The only people who would be required to register guns...law abiding citizens who do not use their guns to commit crime, and if they do, can already be caught and arrested using current law enforcement techniques.

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Background checks.....

the guy in California could not pass a current, federal background check, or a background check on private sales...he still got the gun he used to commit murder....

France.....there are no background checks for fully automatic military rifles since they are completely banned...and the shooter was already a convicted felon so could not pass any background check at all...in fact, he was already on a government, terrorist watch list before the shooting and had been arrested the previous month for trying to buy illegal guns....

Normal gun owners already undergo background checks at licensed gun stores, making them necessary for private sales would increase the cost of doing them and may make it impossible to get them done, since not everyone lives near a gun store.....and since criminals do not go through background checks, and use straw buyers or steal the guns, the criminals who wanted a gun from a private seller, would simply use a straw buyer to buy the gun or steal the gun....

Magazine Limits....

The guy in California could not legally buy, own or carry the gun he used, so he could not have any magazine of any kind. The gun he acquired illegally, and used, was a revolver and does not use any magazine.

The guy in France, used an illegal, fully automatic rifle with a "high Capacity" magazine..which are both illegal in France and which he could not legally buy, own or carry since he was already a convicted, violent criminal on a government terrorist watch list....

Magazine limits....limit the number of bullets normal, law abiding gun owners can have in their guns...which the do not use to commit crimes or mass shootings....but may need for self defense....criminals and mass shooters...get those magazines easily. Also. by banning magazines...the anti gunners also ban the guns that use them....it is a back door gun ban.

So....at this point the 3 most popular new gun law fantasies of anti gunners are shown how they would not have stopped criminals or mass shooters from getting illegal guns...but they do make normal gun owners criminals if they fail to comply with these aribtrary laws....

30 year jail sentence....

The actual solution. in California, because of previous gun violence convictions, the shooter would have still been in jail, and his victims would be alive today.

in France....because of previous violent crimes and gun crimes the shooter would have been in jail and the victims would still be alive and unharmed.

Criminals who use guns to commit crimes would be punished, and law abiding gun owners would be left alone.
 
Please make sense instead of counter arguing and contradicting yourself, 2aguy.

One, because all murders are not stopped does not mean, two, we should not have laws against murders.

That is the argument you are making about gun laws. You don't make sense.
 
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We have laws against murder....yet we still have murder
We have laws against rape ....yet still have rapes

I guess the only logical solution is not to have laws

That is what the anarchist are really arguing for when they whine about getting government out of our lives.

If gun laws cannot stop every possible gun murder....there is no need for gun laws

Gun laws aren't stopping gun murder at all....the criminals who want to commit murder with guns, get the guns and use them.

We have the laws we need to deal with them....if you commit a crime with a gun you are arrested and locked up. The problem, as you know, is that the sentences for gun criminals are low...even repeat gun criminals...but that isn't your focus anyway. Anti gunners like you only care about normal, law abiding gun owners who don't use their guns for crime....since you know that when a criminal uses a gun and is caught...you get their gun.....the problem that drives you nuts...are all the normal gun owners, who do not commit crimes with guns who are out of your reach...so you have to make up process laws to put them in reach of your gun grabbing....
Gun laws stop murder all around the globe. But can't stop EVERY murder which you celebrate


No...they don't....

How about trying to give us another law, on top of the ones California already has that would have stopped this murder....or how about for France? Since they have even more gun control than California has?

Gun Registration.....

The guy in California would not have to register his illegally owned guns from the ruling Haynes v. United states.....France....the convicted criminal could not buy, own or carry the fully automatic AK-47 since they are completely illegal in France, and on top of that he was a convicted criminal who served 15 out of 20 years for previously trying to kill police officers.

The only people who would be required to register guns...law abiding citizens who do not use their guns to commit crime, and if they do, can already be caught and arrested using current law enforcement techniques.

--------

Background checks.....

the guy in California could not pass a current, federal background check, or a background check on private sales...he still got the gun he used to commit murder....

France.....there are no background checks for fully automatic military rifles since they are completely banned...and the shooter was already a convicted felon so could not pass any background check at all...in fact, he was already on a government, terrorist watch list before the shooting and had been arrested the previous month for trying to buy illegal guns....

Normal gun owners already undergo background checks at licensed gun stores, making them necessary for private sales would increase the cost of doing them and may make it impossible to get them done, since not everyone lives near a gun store.....and since criminals do not go through background checks, and use straw buyers or steal the guns, the criminals who wanted a gun from a private seller, would simply use a straw buyer to buy the gun or steal the gun....

Magazine Limits....

The guy in California could not legally buy, own or carry the gun he used, so he could not have any magazine of any kind. The gun he acquired illegally, and used, was a revolver and does not use any magazine.

The guy in France, used an illegal, fully automatic rifle with a "high Capacity" magazine..which are both illegal in France and which he could not legally buy, own or carry since he was already a convicted, violent criminal on a government terrorist watch list....

Magazine limits....limit the number of bullets normal, law abiding gun owners can have in their guns...which the do not use to commit crimes or mass shootings....but may need for self defense....criminals and mass shooters...get those magazines easily. Also. by banning magazines...the anti gunners also ban the guns that use them....it is a back door gun ban.

So....at this point the 3 most popular new gun law fantasies of anti gunners are shown how they would not have stopped criminals or mass shooters from getting illegal guns...but they do make normal gun owners criminals if they fail to comply with these aribtrary laws....

30 year jail sentence....

The actual solution. in California, because of previous gun violence convictions, the shooter would have still been in jail, and his victims would be alive today.

in France....because of previous violent crimes and gun crimes the shooter would have been in jail and the victims would still be alive and unharmed.

Criminals who use guns to commit crimes would be punished, and law abiding gun owners would be left alone.
I will gladly take France's murder rate over our own
 
The gunners seem to think that the UK with its anti-gun laws is more dangerous than America. Silly people.
and you people seem to think there is no violent crime in the UK
Skull thinks wrongly: gun violence is somewhere between 1:12 to 1:18 in comparison.

what about ALL violent crime

only someone naive to the point of mental retardation thinks violence can only be perpterated with a gun
 
That is what the anarchist are really arguing for when they whine about getting government out of our lives.

If gun laws cannot stop every possible gun murder....there is no need for gun laws

Gun laws aren't stopping gun murder at all....the criminals who want to commit murder with guns, get the guns and use them.

We have the laws we need to deal with them....if you commit a crime with a gun you are arrested and locked up. The problem, as you know, is that the sentences for gun criminals are low...even repeat gun criminals...but that isn't your focus anyway. Anti gunners like you only care about normal, law abiding gun owners who don't use their guns for crime....since you know that when a criminal uses a gun and is caught...you get their gun.....the problem that drives you nuts...are all the normal gun owners, who do not commit crimes with guns who are out of your reach...so you have to make up process laws to put them in reach of your gun grabbing....
Gun laws stop murder all around the globe. But can't stop EVERY murder which you celebrate


No...they don't....

How about trying to give us another law, on top of the ones California already has that would have stopped this murder....or how about for France? Since they have even more gun control than California has?

Gun Registration.....

The guy in California would not have to register his illegally owned guns from the ruling Haynes v. United states.....France....the convicted criminal could not buy, own or carry the fully automatic AK-47 since they are completely illegal in France, and on top of that he was a convicted criminal who served 15 out of 20 years for previously trying to kill police officers.

The only people who would be required to register guns...law abiding citizens who do not use their guns to commit crime, and if they do, can already be caught and arrested using current law enforcement techniques.

--------

Background checks.....

the guy in California could not pass a current, federal background check, or a background check on private sales...he still got the gun he used to commit murder....

France.....there are no background checks for fully automatic military rifles since they are completely banned...and the shooter was already a convicted felon so could not pass any background check at all...in fact, he was already on a government, terrorist watch list before the shooting and had been arrested the previous month for trying to buy illegal guns....

Normal gun owners already undergo background checks at licensed gun stores, making them necessary for private sales would increase the cost of doing them and may make it impossible to get them done, since not everyone lives near a gun store.....and since criminals do not go through background checks, and use straw buyers or steal the guns, the criminals who wanted a gun from a private seller, would simply use a straw buyer to buy the gun or steal the gun....

Magazine Limits....

The guy in California could not legally buy, own or carry the gun he used, so he could not have any magazine of any kind. The gun he acquired illegally, and used, was a revolver and does not use any magazine.

The guy in France, used an illegal, fully automatic rifle with a "high Capacity" magazine..which are both illegal in France and which he could not legally buy, own or carry since he was already a convicted, violent criminal on a government terrorist watch list....

Magazine limits....limit the number of bullets normal, law abiding gun owners can have in their guns...which the do not use to commit crimes or mass shootings....but may need for self defense....criminals and mass shooters...get those magazines easily. Also. by banning magazines...the anti gunners also ban the guns that use them....it is a back door gun ban.

So....at this point the 3 most popular new gun law fantasies of anti gunners are shown how they would not have stopped criminals or mass shooters from getting illegal guns...but they do make normal gun owners criminals if they fail to comply with these aribtrary laws....

30 year jail sentence....

The actual solution. in California, because of previous gun violence convictions, the shooter would have still been in jail, and his victims would be alive today.

in France....because of previous violent crimes and gun crimes the shooter would have been in jail and the victims would still be alive and unharmed.

Criminals who use guns to commit crimes would be punished, and law abiding gun owners would be left alone.
I will gladly take France's murder rate over our own
buy a one way ticket

FYI Our murder rate is the same as it was in 1950 and still declining.

and our higher murder rate is a result of just a few ultra-violent urban areas and not because law abiding people own firearms
 
I am not going anywhere.

When the alt right rises up, there will be only summary tribunals when they are taken prisoner with fire arms.
 
2aguy, you cannot have it both ways. Gun laws have worked very well in the UK, and, in comparison with out stats, is head and shoulders better than the USA.

Either Gun Laws work or they don't. If they work, then we should have them. If they don't, then we should get rid of them.
but they haven't

if those gun laws worked so well why isn't their murder rate lower than it was in 1950 before all the gun laws started being passed?

The murder rte in the UK climbed from its 1950 rate to a peak in the late 80's early 90's just like ours did and declined back to 1950 levels just like ours did

so obviously all those gun laws had nothing to do with murder rates
 
Please make sense instead of counter arguing and contradicting yourself, 2aguy.

One, because all murders are not stopped does not mean, two, we should not have laws against murders.

That is the argument you are making about gun laws. You don't make sense.
where did anyone say we shouldn't have laws against murder?

we don't restrict people's rights because they MIGHT commit murder do we?
 
The gunners seem to think that the UK with its anti-gun laws is more dangerous than America. Silly people.
and you people seem to think there is no violent crime in the UK
Skull thinks wrongly: gun violence is somewhere between 1:12 to 1:18 in comparison.

what about ALL violent crime

only someone naive to the point of mental retardation thinks violence can only be perpterated with a gun
Still much safer in the UK than here, and that you deny it, means you are not relevant to the discussion.
 
We have laws against murder....yet we still have murder
We have laws against rape ....yet still have rapes

I guess the only logical solution is not to have laws

That is what the anarchist are really arguing for when they whine about getting government out of our lives.

If gun laws cannot stop every possible gun murder....there is no need for gun laws

Gun laws aren't stopping gun murder at all....the criminals who want to commit murder with guns, get the guns and use them.

We have the laws we need to deal with them....if you commit a crime with a gun you are arrested and locked up. The problem, as you know, is that the sentences for gun criminals are low...even repeat gun criminals...but that isn't your focus anyway. Anti gunners like you only care about normal, law abiding gun owners who don't use their guns for crime....since you know that when a criminal uses a gun and is caught...you get their gun.....the problem that drives you nuts...are all the normal gun owners, who do not commit crimes with guns who are out of your reach...so you have to make up process laws to put them in reach of your gun grabbing....
Gun laws stop murder all around the globe. But can't stop EVERY murder which you celebrate

no it doesn't
 

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