Cali Supreme Court upholds Prop 8

[RetiredGySgt]

I told everyone the chance the court would turn it down was very small. Thankfully this Court realized its Constitutional Limits and refused to go beyond them.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

"People have a right through the ballot box to change the constitution" is what I hear the opion says.

Hmmmm, I guess the arguments around whether the ballot initiative amended the constitution or revised it will be carried further if possible. Otherwise gay marriage proponents are going to have to play the ballot initiative game until they win...then the opponents of that can play the ballot intitiative game until they win...then...

I always thought amendments came through the process of a constitutional convention---that is until I moved out here to the liberal west coast.

go figure

NONE of the US Constitutions amendments came because of a Constitutional Convention. In fact that is a down right BAD idea, as such a convention could change the entire Constitution rather then amend it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ravi--
That, too, is bigotted.

The point is that when a minority forces their will on the majority we have tyranny of the minority. Despite all the hysterics, the gay community is nothing more than another minority - among many in our pluralistic society. They deserve nothing more than anyone else and certainly do not deserve to change our society or laws to suit their narrow purposes.

This will probably result in more screaming and hand wringing on this board. So be it.

We obviously look at it differently. Since marriage is a right (as ruled by SCOTUS) then denying any two people of consenting age that right is not something that can or should be voted upon.

Not according to your liberal buddies. They all agree that THEY can limit that supposed right anytime they want if it OFFENDS them, like Incestuous Relationships.

 

[manu1959]

this surprised me....but they will keep putting it on the ballot till it wins......

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ravi--
That, too, is bigotted.

The point is that when a minority forces their will on the majority we have tyranny of the minority. Despite all the hysterics, the gay community is nothing more than another minority - among many in our pluralistic society. They deserve nothing more than anyone else and certainly do not deserve to change our society or laws to suit their narrow purposes.

i agree.....even though i dont see why if the state gives them the same marriage rights as everyone else,they wont give them the dam paper.....marriage is a religious thing mostly anyway.....

 

[dylanmurphy]

I feel bad for anyone who thinks that marriage is a positive thing. Do you really want to ask the government for permission to live with someone you love? That's all a marriage license is... and we pay for the privilege.

Yes, I understand that we get tax breaks for it, but I really think that government should get out of the business of marriage.

 

[KittenKoder]

Let me know when they stop telling my religion they cannot marry gays, then I see equality.

 

[Yurt]

Let me know when they stop telling my religion they cannot marry gays, then I see equality.

so myopic KK....can indians use peyote for their religion?

you can marry gays all the live long day in YOUR religion. no one is stopping you.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I'm a liberal and, like President Obama, I'm against Gay marriage.


Homosexuality is a deformity. A birth defect.


Prove me wrong.

.....if its a deformity then they are considered HANDICAPED....so are they then protected under "THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT?"

 

[Oddball]

.....if its a deformity then they are considered HANDICAPED....so are they then protected under "THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT?"

I don't even want to see that placard in someone's windshield!!

 

[Harry Dresden]

I'm a liberal and, like President Obama, I'm against Gay marriage.


Homosexuality is a deformity. A birth defect.


Prove me wrong.

You have made sealybobo very upset...

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better watch it Sinatra.....you might get Neg. Rept......Pussyboy dont like seeing himself cry.....for Brittney to ....

 

[Ame®icano]

I told everyone the chance the court would turn it down was very small. Thankfully this Court realized its Constitutional Limits and refused to go beyond them.

Court, in fact, realized that people have already spoken.

 

[KittenKoder]

Let me know when they stop telling my religion they cannot marry gays, then I see equality.

so myopic KK....can indians use peyote for their religion?

you can marry gays all the live long day in YOUR religion. no one is stopping you.

Difference, the law doesn't respect those marriages, and yes, many can use peyote, they are just smart enough to instead make money on casinos instead of wasting time being messed up now.

So, until the law respects the gay marriages performed by churches that want to do them, it is not equality, it is control of religious belief.

 

[xotoxi]

The point is that when a minority forces their will on the majority we have tyranny of the minority.

Let me know when the blacks and the mormons are the "majority" and then we will talk.

 

[Yurt]

Let me know when they stop telling my religion they cannot marry gays, then I see equality.

so myopic KK....can indians use peyote for their religion?

you can marry gays all the live long day in YOUR religion. no one is stopping you.

Difference, the law doesn't respect those marriages, and yes, many can use peyote, they are just smart enough to instead make money on casinos instead of wasting time being messed up now.

So, until the law respects the gay marriages performed by churches that want to do them, it is not equality, it is control of religious belief.

do you really believe that to get married in the USofA you need to get married by a church? or are you saying, that churches must be an equal opportunity organization?

KK.....the fact is........marriage is ONLY an issue because the government stepped into religious matters. the government has zero say in marriage, IMO. the government created a contract, a man made contract and called it..........marriage, a marriage license. that is one of the most ironic and idiotic concepts that exists. marriage is not a contract, especially given your religious hatred for those that do not want to marry homosexuals. the government should have no say in marriage, period.

 

[KittenKoder]

so myopic KK....can indians use peyote for their religion?

you can marry gays all the live long day in YOUR religion. no one is stopping you.

Difference, the law doesn't respect those marriages, and yes, many can use peyote, they are just smart enough to instead make money on casinos instead of wasting time being messed up now.

So, until the law respects the gay marriages performed by churches that want to do them, it is not equality, it is control of religious belief.

do you really believe that to get married in the USofA you need to get married by a church? or are you saying, that churches must be an equal opportunity organization?

KK.....the fact is........marriage is ONLY an issue because the government stepped into religious matters. the government has zero say in marriage, IMO. the government created a contract, a man made contract and called it..........marriage, a marriage license. that is one of the most ironic and idiotic concepts that exists. marriage is not a contract, especially given your religious hatred for those that do not want to marry homosexuals. the government should have no say in marriage, period.

Damnit, I agree, but I don't want to agree so let me have something.

 

[Oddball]

do you really believe that to get married in the USofA you need to get married by a church? or are you saying, that churches must be an equal opportunity organization?

KK.....the fact is........marriage is ONLY an issue because the government stepped into religious matters. the government has zero say in marriage, IMO.

Absolutely.

the government created a contract, a man made contract and called it..........marriage, a marriage license. that is one of the most ironic and idiotic concepts that exists. marriage is not a contract.....

Actually, it's even worse than that.

The "contract" crated by the state marriage license is in fact what would otherwise be an illegal adhesion contract made legal.

Think about it....The "contract" is totally open-ended....There are no predetermined terms and conditions for fulfillment or default....Only one party -the state- can declare the "contract" null and void.

In any other context out in the real world, there isn't a judge or jury that wouldn't declare that "contract" null and void ab initio.

 

[Ravi]

have you read loving v. virginia?

Yes...That case had to do with ethnicity, not sexual behavior.

But the plaintiff didn't question the validity of the statutory nexus in the marriage, just whether it could be denied on the basis of ethnicity.

You're joking that it didn't have to do with sexual behavior.

btw, why do you think the government should regulate legal consensual sex?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The point is that when a minority forces their will on the majority we have tyranny of the minority.

Let me know when the blacks and the mormons are the "majority" and then we will talk.

Hate to break it to your dumb ass, but blacks and Mormons were not the only ones that voted for it RETARD. By the way, haven't you been informed? Mormons, according to this board are almost universally white. And last I checked a religion was not a race except for Jews.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The point is that when a minority forces their will on the majority we have tyranny of the minority.

Let me know when the blacks and the mormons are the "majority" and then we will talk.

Hate to break it to your dumb ass, but blacks and Mormons were not the only ones that voted for it RETARD. By the way, haven't you been informed? Mormons, according to this board are almost universally white. And last I checked a religion was not a race except for Jews.

MANY Hispanics voted for it two,and we all know how many of them are in california,PLENTY.....the Hispanie guys i work with sure as hell think its not right....Catholics,what can ya say....