Cakes, Fakes & Counter-Quakes; Do The Kleins Have A Countersuit Against The Lesbians?

[Silhouette]

No state can enact a law that acts to suppress the Constitutional Rights of its citizens...and then use that law under force to destroy their economic well being. Even while saying it is acting under a statute or law; like a public accommodation law.

So you are saying that every single couple that was denied a marriage license by the unconstitutional bans on gay marriage- can sue those states for violating their constitutional rights and ask for damages

Where in the US Constitution does it say people practicing deviant sex behaviors have protections from discrimination? People discriminate against behaviors every day. California's constitution still has gay marriage illegal on the books because it failed a majority vote twice. Your source of "unconstitutionality"?

(Hint: it can't be from judicial-legislation because the judicial branch of government isn't allowed to add brand new language to the US Constitution)

 

[Rustic]

Well, that's your interpretation, and it is certainly wrong, sil.

Nah...I read the Constitution and didn't see anything about deviant sex behaviors anywhere. But I did see a lot of stuff about religion being protected....

...so... yeah...

And it's not like the lesbos were asking the Christians to not wash their feet before entering the church or temple. They were asking the Christians to defy the Order in Jude 1 which comes with a sentence of eternal damnation of the soul.

The lesbians are guilty of violating the Klein's 1st Amendment rights. It also is unfortunate for the lesbian defense that they appear to have premeditated that and targeted Christians specifically. They had numerous alternatives and chose instead to force Christians to either choose to abdicate their faith or not stay in business. So that's violation of the Klein's Constitutional rights by force, threat or duress. State of Oregon's labor board is liable too. Hate to have to work on their defense. Yikers!

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but never to your own facts. Hate to break it to you. There is nothing in the Christian faith that says you cannot bake for non-Christians in the public square where you hold out you wares to all.

True, but it Does not mean you have to cater to heathens… LOL

 

[rightwinger]

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

 

[Lysistrata]

There is nothing in the faith of Jesus that prohibits baking a cake for anybody. Where do these people who call themselves "Christians" get this stuff? It's just dumb.

 

[Syriusly]

No state can enact a law that acts to suppress the Constitutional Rights of its citizens...and then use that law under force to destroy their economic well being. Even while saying it is acting under a statute or law; like a public accommodation law.

So you are saying that every single couple that was denied a marriage license by the unconstitutional bans on gay marriage- can sue those states for violating their constitutional rights and ask for damages

Where in the US Constitution does it say people practicing deviant sex behaviors have protections from discrimination? )

Dance dance dance.

The State's laws against same gender marriage have been declared by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional- unlike any public accommodation laws.

If the Klein's can 'counter' sue- then every gay couple who was denied a marriage license prior to Obergefell has an actual case.

 

[Rustic]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

 

[Syriusly]

Well, that's your interpretation, and it is certainly wrong, sil.

Nah...I read the Constitution and didn't see anything about deviant sex behaviors anywhere. But I did see a lot of stuff about religion being protected....

...so... yeah...

And it's not like the lesbos were asking the Christians to not wash their feet before entering the church or temple. They were asking the Christians to defy the Order in Jude 1 which comes with a sentence of eternal damnation of the soul.

The lesbians are guilty of violating the Klein's 1st Amendment rights. It also is unfortunate for the lesbian defense that they appear to have premeditated that and targeted Christians specifically. They had numerous alternatives and chose instead to force Christians to either choose to abdicate their faith or not stay in business. So that's violation of the Klein's Constitutional rights by force, threat or duress. State of Oregon's labor board is liable too. Hate to have to work on their defense. Yikers!

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but never to your own facts. Hate to break it to you. There is nothing in the Christian faith that says you cannot bake for non-Christians in the public square where you hold out you wares to all.

True, but it Does not mean you have to cater to heathens… LOL

So you think it is okay to deny service to people based upon religion- like if they are Jewish.

 

[Rustic]

There is nothing in the faith of Jesus that prohibits baking a cake for anybody. Where do these people who call themselves "Christians" get this stuff? It's just dumb.

Why force someone you hate to make a cake for you?

 

[Syriusly]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

What makes you think that anyone ordered a cake from anyone they hate?

 

[Rustic]

Well, that's your interpretation, and it is certainly wrong, sil.

Nah...I read the Constitution and didn't see anything about deviant sex behaviors anywhere. But I did see a lot of stuff about religion being protected....

...so... yeah...

And it's not like the lesbos were asking the Christians to not wash their feet before entering the church or temple. They were asking the Christians to defy the Order in Jude 1 which comes with a sentence of eternal damnation of the soul.

The lesbians are guilty of violating the Klein's 1st Amendment rights. It also is unfortunate for the lesbian defense that they appear to have premeditated that and targeted Christians specifically. They had numerous alternatives and chose instead to force Christians to either choose to abdicate their faith or not stay in business. So that's violation of the Klein's Constitutional rights by force, threat or duress. State of Oregon's labor board is liable too. Hate to have to work on their defense. Yikers!

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but never to your own facts. Hate to break it to you. There is nothing in the Christian faith that says you cannot bake for non-Christians in the public square where you hold out you wares to all.

True, but it Does not mean you have to cater to heathens… LOL

So you think it is okay to deny service to people based upon religion- like if they are Jewish.

My question again, why force someone you hate to make something for you?

 

[Rustic]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

What makes you think that anyone ordered a cake from anyone they hate?

Obviously these LGBT people hate Christians, why would they want to purchase something from them?

 

[rightwinger]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

It's just a cake...who cares?

 

[Rustic]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

It's just a cake...who cares?

Bingo, Why force someone to serve you?

 

[Lysistrata]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

What makes you think that anyone ordered a cake from anyone they hate?

Obviously these LGBT people hate Christians, why would they want to purchase something from them?

Who hates Christians? Actually, most of the LGBTs I've known are Christians themselves. What the people who run this bakery are marketing is not Christian and has nothing to do with any belief in Jesus. If they actually were believers, they would have baked a beautiful cake and presented it with the best of wishes for the couple.

 

[Rustic]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

What makes you think that anyone ordered a cake from anyone they hate?

Obviously these LGBT people hate Christians, why would they want to purchase something from them?

Who hates Christians? Actually, most of the LGBTs I've known are Christians themselves. What the people who run this bakery are marketing is not Christian and has nothing to do with any belief in Jesus. If they actually were believers, they would have baked a beautiful cake and presented it with the best of wishes for the couple.

It should be up to the individual not collective... fuck the collective

 

[BULLDOG]

The lesbians KNEW that Sweet Cakes was a Christian-run business. They were informed of that and CHOSE ON PURPOSE to continue to try to force the Christian couple to do what their faith forbade them to do under peril of eternal damnation: abet the spread of homosexuality in a culture "as normal" (See Jude 1 of the New Testament).

These lesbians were out to sabotage the Kleins' 1st Amendment rights, using inferior local PA laws. It was a direct act of suppressing someone else's constitutional rights. If the Kleins can demonstrate that the lesbians knew the Kleins had constitutionally-protected objections (since "gay" is behavioral and NOT protected as such in the Constitution) ie: their 1st Amendment rights,, AND if the Kleins could demonstrate the lesbians had alternatives (they did and knew they did) a countersuit could show the lesbians were out to suppress constitutional rights of another person or persons. Turn this bitch on its heel and chase the other way?

They went to the appeals court this March 2017.
Argument for the Kleins: Bakers Accused of Hate Get Emotional Day in Court

“The government should never force someone to violate their conscience or their beliefs,” Kelly Shackelford, president and CEO of First Liberty Institute, a religious freedom group that represents the Kleins, said in a press statement, adding:

“In a diverse and pluralistic society, people of good will should be able to peacefully coexist with different beliefs. We hope the court will uphold the Kleins’ rights to free speech and religious liberty.”

Argument against the Kleins:

But Charlie Burr, a spokesman for the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries, whose lawyers represent the Bowman-Cryers, said:

“The facts of this case clearly demonstrate that the Kleins unlawfully discriminated against a same-sex couple when they refused service based on sexual orientation.”

But Mr. Burr, don't you know that there is NO LANGUAGE AT ALL in the US Constitution either directly or via insinuation or allusion to sexual behaviors and habits? But there is PLENTY of language in the US Constitution about religious freedoms and protections. And, nobody is allowed to suppress or deny the Constitutional rights of another. And Mr. Burr, do you know that the Judicial branch of government cannot use its power to legislate brand spanking new pivotal language into the US Constitution? Might want brush up on that old political science course you had to take in high school in order to pass. Though I realize that in Oregon, "education" is a loose term...

Anyone want to bet on this horse race?

You are absolutely right. Those gay people knew the bakery was owned by bigots in the same way those darkies that staged that sit in at Woolworth's lunch counter in 1960 knew that Woolworth's was racist.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

What makes you think that anyone ordered a cake from anyone they hate?

Obviously these LGBT people hate Christians, why would they want to purchase something from them?

Who hates Christians? Actually, most of the LGBTs I've known are Christians themselves. What the people who run this bakery are marketing is not Christian and has nothing to do with any belief in Jesus. If they actually were believers, they would have baked a beautiful cake and presented it with the best of wishes for the couple.

You may want to read up on the Bible. Especially that homosexual thing is an abomination unto the Lord.

 

[rightwinger]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

What makes you think that anyone ordered a cake from anyone they hate?

Obviously these LGBT people hate Christians, why would they want to purchase something from them?

Who hates Christians? Actually, most of the LGBTs I've known are Christians themselves. What the people who run this bakery are marketing is not Christian and has nothing to do with any belief in Jesus. If they actually were believers, they would have baked a beautiful cake and presented it with the best of wishes for the couple.

You may want to read up on the Bible. Especially that homosexual thing is an abomination unto the Lord.

Lord gets butthurt about a lot of things

 

[BULLDOG]

K

It's just a cake

Nobody is asking you to get in bed with them

Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

What makes you think that anyone ordered a cake from anyone they hate?

Obviously these LGBT people hate Christians, why would they want to purchase something from them?

Who hates Christians? Actually, most of the LGBTs I've known are Christians themselves. What the people who run this bakery are marketing is not Christian and has nothing to do with any belief in Jesus. If they actually were believers, they would have baked a beautiful cake and presented it with the best of wishes for the couple.

You may want to read up on the Bible. Especially that homosexual thing is an abomination unto the Lord.

Eating seafood and wearing cotton blend cloths are also abominations to him. Why don't you let the lord deal with that? I don't think he needs your help.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

K
Why would anyone want a cake from somebody they hate?

What makes you think that anyone ordered a cake from anyone they hate?

Obviously these LGBT people hate Christians, why would they want to purchase something from them?

Who hates Christians? Actually, most of the LGBTs I've known are Christians themselves. What the people who run this bakery are marketing is not Christian and has nothing to do with any belief in Jesus. If they actually were believers, they would have baked a beautiful cake and presented it with the best of wishes for the couple.

You may want to read up on the Bible. Especially that homosexual thing is an abomination unto the Lord.

Lord gets butthurt about a lot of things

Yep and homosexuality is a biggie. Mentioned numerous times