CDZ Cab a terrorist nation complain about terrorism?

[Indofred]

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Given France is a known terrorist nation, are they in any position to complain about terrorism?

Not supporting the Paris attacks in any way, but asking a serious question.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

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Given France is a known terrorist nation, are they in any position to complain about terrorism?

Not supporting the Paris attacks in any way, but asking a serious question.

Would think just about every nation has its skeletons in the closet. And those with heinous sins their people have benefitted from, or are benefitting from can of course be justified as legitimate targets to strike. BUT, when you go out of your way to strike non-combatants, your legitimacy disappears. If terrorists struck national and military targets they'd be much more justified doing so. When they attack concert goers and sports fans not so much.

Let's reverse the question now. Is retaliation justified against the country of origin of the terrorists? Paris attacks came from Syria, Belgium, France itself. Is dropping bombs on the apartment complex they come from legitimate? It's be described as legitimate if in another country, so why not within your own country's borders too? This neighborhood in Belgium supposedly under ISIS control sounds like a good target to hit with some 2000 pound JDAMs.

 

[Indofred]

Perhaps French attacks against apartment blocks in France would raise a few local issues.
I understand urban renewal is of interest to the garlic chewing surrender monkeys, but killing French civilians seems to be a naughty no no, so they'll have to stick to bombing civilians in other countries.

To the issue in the OP, I wonder what the survivors of the French terrorist attack on the rainbow warrior think of the French government's position on terrorism, and would it be reasonable for Greenpeace to demand the total destruction of the French government and French armed forces?

 

[Mac1958]

My goodness, now France shouldn't complain.

The efforts to spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion finds new lows.
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[cnm]

If terrorists struck national and military targets they'd be much more justified doing so.

They wouldn't really be terrorists then, would they?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

If terrorists struck national and military targets they'd be much more justified doing so.

They wouldn't really be terrorists then, would they?

Would still be terrorists. Like IRA and others.

 

[cnm]

To the issue in the OP, I wonder what the survivors of the French terrorist attack on the rainbow warrior think of the French government's position on terrorism, and would it be reasonable for Greenpeace to demand the total destruction of the French government and French armed forces?

Absolutely. All we got was an apology, some money, the terrorists held on a Pacific island for a couple of years and a trade embargo with the European Common Market avoided.

In fairness, bugger all nations have had an apology from France.

 

[cnm]

Would still be terrorists. Like IRA and others.

Care to define terrorism? Because currently it looks like Shock and Awe was the ultimate terrorism.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Would still be terrorists. Like IRA and others.

Care to define terrorism? Because currently it looks like Shock and Awe was the ultimate terrorism.

Violence by non-state actors designed to affect a political goal.

 

[cnm]

Here's Collins'...

Definition of “terrorism” | Collins English Dictionary

1. systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal
2. the act of terrorizing
3. the state of being terrorized

Terrorism is the use of violence in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to do something.

 

[cnm]

Violence by non-state actors designed to affect a political goal.

So states cannot commit terrorism? So Iran is not a terrorist state and the French did not commit terrorism in New Zealand. Fair enough.

 

[cnm]

Therefore the Palestinians are not terrorists. Glad we've got that settled.

 

[gtopa1]

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Given France is a known terrorist nation, are they in any position to complain about terrorism?

Not supporting the Paris attacks in any way, but asking a serious question.

Some idiot runs to save a camera and gets drowned as the boat goes down. The guilty parties were prosecuted and did jail time. Besides, it was registered in Holland and had nothing to do with NZ except that it was in transit. The boat was unmanned when the bomb went off. There is ZERO moral equivalence.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Perhaps French attacks against apartment blocks in France would raise a few local issues.
I understand urban renewal is of interest to the garlic chewing surrender monkeys, but killing French civilians seems to be a naughty no no, so they'll have to stick to bombing civilians in other countries.

To the issue in the OP, I wonder what the survivors of the French terrorist attack on the rainbow warrior think of the French government's position on terrorism, and would it be reasonable for Greenpeace to demand the total destruction of the French government and French armed forces?

The RW was an act of stupidity and the perps who did it did jail time. That was quite fair. They had no intention of killing anyone. Seems the camera's owner thought the camera was worth more than he was. Probably weed affected...poor bugger.

Greg

 

[Indofred]

Would still be terrorists. Like IRA and others.

Care to define terrorism? Because currently it looks like Shock and Awe was the ultimate terrorism.

Violence by non-state actors designed to affect a political goal.

Only if you use a false definition to stop various countries being defined as terrorists.

 

[Correll]

If terrorists struck national and military targets they'd be much more justified doing so.

They wouldn't really be terrorists then, would they?

Would still be terrorists. Like IRA and others.

I disagree. They would be Guerrillas and Assassins .

 

[Indofred]

Some idiot runs to save a camera and gets drowned as the boat goes down.

He was killed in the explosions, so you lied.

As for doing time, the terrorists were sent to a French run prison, released quickly, then promoted when they returned to duty.

 

[Correll]

Here's Collins'...

Definition of “terrorism” | Collins English Dictionary

1. systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal
2. the act of terrorizing
3. the state of being terrorized

Terrorism is the use of violence in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to do something.

Terrorism is the use of terror in order to achieve political aims or to force a government to do something.

 

[320 Years of History]

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Given France is a known terrorist nation, are they in any position to complain about terrorism?

Not supporting the Paris attacks in any way, but asking a serious question.

Is France a known terrorist nation? Given that there is no agreed definition of what "terrorism" is, how is it that one can assert a nation is a terrorist one? As it stands today, "terrorism" and "pornography" are the same in that at best, one knows it when one sees it. Some may say that "definition" is enough, but accepting that description means that anyone seeing an act of violence is free to call it terrorism. It means that perception is reality.

So, France perceives that the attacks committed this past week on its soil were ones of terrorism. France's citizens were killed or injured in those assaults. The people of Paris, the people of France, fear for their ongoing safety. The nation and it's people feel terrorized. So, yes, France and its people are finely poised to complain about terrorism.

 

[cnm]

Some idiot runs to save a camera and gets drowned as the boat goes down. The guilty parties were prosecuted and did jail time. Besides, it was registered in Holland and had nothing to do with NZ except that it was in transit. The boat was unmanned when the bomb went off. There is ZERO moral equivalence.

Australia released some of the perpetrators who were then picked up by submarine. Nothing's as precious as a hole in the ground.