BUT BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES”: Scholars discuss conservative logic

[IM2]

This is a common song here at USMB.

“BUT BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES”: Scholars discuss conservative logic
Todd Beer on July 25, 2016

Since 2014 there has been renewed interest, concern, and protest regarding the police use of deadly force against unarmed Blacks. Various conservative commentators and publications, as well as comments on other posts to this blog, have implied that the reason so many Blacks are killed by police is that Blacks are more likely to be involved in violent crime. For example, in an article in the National Review, David French writes, “Moreover, racial disparities in the use of force are largely explained by racial disparities in criminality. Different American demographics commit crimes at different rates, so it stands to reason that those who commit more crimes will confront the police more often.”

Below is the transcript of a conversation regarding this issue I had with three scholars, all of whom have studied the interaction of police and the African American community.

The scholars are:

RASHAWN RAY, Department of Sociology, University of Maryland.

CODY ROSS, Department of Anthropology, University of California, Davis

DON TOMASKOVIC-DEVEY, Department of Sociology, University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

Rashawn:

"The problem with this type of logic is that we assume that an entire group of people is responsible for the actions of some and that the entire group should be criminalized for it."

So in other words, because of the perception that Blacks commit more crimes this somehow justifies the fact that Black people are actually policed more. The problem is that this shouldn’t be the case. First, an overwhelming percentage of Blacks are not criminals and those that have been convicted of crimes, studies show that roughly 75% of Blacks in prison are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses. The other narrative is that Black neighborhoods are ubiquitously framed as being problematic and crime prone when in fact there are a plethora of predominantly Black neighborhoods around the country, one of which I happen to live in, that has extremely low crime rates and are not part of the narrative. On the other end of the spectrum, there are predominantly White neighborhoods that have high crime rates, but for some reason we leave these two types of neighborhoods out of the narrative as it relates to crime.

So what is happening is that an entire group of people who overwhelmingly are not committing crime and are not guilty, end up being criminalized because of the logic that people have about this.

“BUT BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES”: Scholars discuss conservative logic - Sociology Toolbox

 

[protectionist]

Racial paranoia run amok.

 

[flacaltenn]

This is a common song here at USMB.

“BUT BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES”: Scholars discuss conservative logic
Todd Beer on July 25, 2016

Since 2014 there has been renewed interest, concern, and protest regarding the police use of deadly force against unarmed Blacks. Various conservative commentators and publications, as well as comments on other posts to this blog, have implied that the reason so many Blacks are killed by police is that Blacks are more likely to be involved in violent crime. For example, in an article in the National Review, David French writes, “Moreover, racial disparities in the use of force are largely explained by racial disparities in criminality. Different American demographics commit crimes at different rates, so it stands to reason that those who commit more crimes will confront the police more often.”

Below is the transcript of a conversation regarding this issue I had with three scholars, all of whom have studied the interaction of police and the African American community.

The scholars are:

RASHAWN RAY, Department of Sociology, University of Maryland.

CODY ROSS, Department of Anthropology, University of California, Davis

DON TOMASKOVIC-DEVEY, Department of Sociology, University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

Rashawn:

"The problem with this type of logic is that we assume that an entire group of people is responsible for the actions of some and that the entire group should be criminalized for it."

So in other words, because of the perception that Blacks commit more crimes this somehow justifies the fact that Black people are actually policed more. The problem is that this shouldn’t be the case. First, an overwhelming percentage of Blacks are not criminals and those that have been convicted of crimes, studies show that roughly 75% of Blacks in prison are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses. The other narrative is that Black neighborhoods are ubiquitously framed as being problematic and crime prone when in fact there are a plethora of predominantly Black neighborhoods around the country, one of which I happen to live in, that has extremely low crime rates and are not part of the narrative. On the other end of the spectrum, there are predominantly White neighborhoods that have high crime rates, but for some reason we leave these two types of neighborhoods out of the narrative as it relates to crime.

So what is happening is that an entire group of people who overwhelmingly are not committing crime and are not guilty, end up being criminalized because of the logic that people have about this.

“BUT BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES”: Scholars discuss conservative logic - Sociology Toolbox

Mangling of the language.. NOBODY SAYS (at least nobody well-read) that "Blacks commit more crimes"... NO fucking BODY...

What is correct is that blacks, especially in predominately black areas "ARE MORE LIKELY" to commit crimes.

The 2 assertions are entirely different and only confusing to you because you refuse to learn the basics of statistics...

 

[Missourian]

Mangling of the language.. NOBODY SAYS (at least nobody well-read) that "Blacks commit more crimes"... NO fucking BODY...

What is correct is that blacks, especially in predominately black areas "ARE MORE LIKELY" to commit crimes.

The 2 assertions are entirely different and only confusing to you because you refuse to learn the basics of statistics...

Perhaps I've been misled, but I've read that blacks commit more violent crime many times. That African-American males commit between 47% and 52% of homicides and violent crime but only represent 13% of the population.

FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime?

 

[Missourian]

Yup... here it is from fbi.gov...

Table 43

Homicide and Robbery higher than Whites, and I'm pretty sure that Hispanic is grouped in with White in this chart.

 

[impuretrash]

"The problem with this type of logic is that we assume that an entire group of people is responsible for the actions of some"

Ironic that this advice appears in a thread by IM2 who never stops blaming white people for every-gotdamn-thing.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

by the numbers whites commit more crimes
by the percentages blacks are out of frigging control
and a lot of it is black on black crime

stop blaming the white man and take advantage of the world hes built in north America ..no matter if you're ancestors got here in chains or were shoved onto a reservation .
after all the shit blacks have been through in this country under the law Youre actually free and equal Americans

ya fought long and hard and won it dumb asses ...

any one still sitting around crying about evil Y/T is worthless and weak
what do ya want a race war ? you already shed enough of you're own blood

 

[BULLDOG]

This is a common song here at USMB.

“BUT BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES”: Scholars discuss conservative logic
Todd Beer on July 25, 2016

Since 2014 there has been renewed interest, concern, and protest regarding the police use of deadly force against unarmed Blacks. Various conservative commentators and publications, as well as comments on other posts to this blog, have implied that the reason so many Blacks are killed by police is that Blacks are more likely to be involved in violent crime. For example, in an article in the National Review, David French writes, “Moreover, racial disparities in the use of force are largely explained by racial disparities in criminality. Different American demographics commit crimes at different rates, so it stands to reason that those who commit more crimes will confront the police more often.”

Below is the transcript of a conversation regarding this issue I had with three scholars, all of whom have studied the interaction of police and the African American community.

The scholars are:

RASHAWN RAY, Department of Sociology, University of Maryland.

CODY ROSS, Department of Anthropology, University of California, Davis

DON TOMASKOVIC-DEVEY, Department of Sociology, University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

Rashawn:

"The problem with this type of logic is that we assume that an entire group of people is responsible for the actions of some and that the entire group should be criminalized for it."

So in other words, because of the perception that Blacks commit more crimes this somehow justifies the fact that Black people are actually policed more. The problem is that this shouldn’t be the case. First, an overwhelming percentage of Blacks are not criminals and those that have been convicted of crimes, studies show that roughly 75% of Blacks in prison are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses. The other narrative is that Black neighborhoods are ubiquitously framed as being problematic and crime prone when in fact there are a plethora of predominantly Black neighborhoods around the country, one of which I happen to live in, that has extremely low crime rates and are not part of the narrative. On the other end of the spectrum, there are predominantly White neighborhoods that have high crime rates, but for some reason we leave these two types of neighborhoods out of the narrative as it relates to crime.

So what is happening is that an entire group of people who overwhelmingly are not committing crime and are not guilty, end up being criminalized because of the logic that people have about this.

“BUT BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES”: Scholars discuss conservative logic - Sociology Toolbox

Mangling of the language.. NOBODY SAYS (at least nobody well-read) that "Blacks commit more crimes"... NO fucking BODY...

What is correct is that blacks, especially in predominately black areas "ARE MORE LIKELY" to commit crimes.

The 2 assertions are entirely different and only confusing to you because you refuse to learn the basics of statistics...

You obviously haven't read many posts on this site. The claim that blacks commit more crimes is made EVERY DAY. The fact that more blacks than whites are in prison is used to justify that claim EVERY DAY.

 

[BULLDOG]

by the numbers whites commit more crimes
by the percentages blacks are out of frigging control
and a lot of it is black on black crime

stop blaming the white man and take advantage of the world hes built in north America ..no matter if you're ancestors got here in chains or were shoved onto a reservation .
after all the shit blacks have been through in this country under the law Youre actually free and equal Americans

ya fought long and hard and won it dumb asses ...

any one still sitting around crying about evil Y/T is worthless and weak
what do ya want a race war ? you already shed enough of you're own blood

So you're another of those crazies wanting a civil war. Right?

 

[IM2]

This is a common song here at USMB.

“BUT BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES”: Scholars discuss conservative logic
Todd Beer on July 25, 2016

Since 2014 there has been renewed interest, concern, and protest regarding the police use of deadly force against unarmed Blacks. Various conservative commentators and publications, as well as comments on other posts to this blog, have implied that the reason so many Blacks are killed by police is that Blacks are more likely to be involved in violent crime. For example, in an article in the National Review, David French writes, “Moreover, racial disparities in the use of force are largely explained by racial disparities in criminality. Different American demographics commit crimes at different rates, so it stands to reason that those who commit more crimes will confront the police more often.”

Below is the transcript of a conversation regarding this issue I had with three scholars, all of whom have studied the interaction of police and the African American community.

The scholars are:

RASHAWN RAY, Department of Sociology, University of Maryland.

CODY ROSS, Department of Anthropology, University of California, Davis

DON TOMASKOVIC-DEVEY, Department of Sociology, University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

Rashawn:

"The problem with this type of logic is that we assume that an entire group of people is responsible for the actions of some and that the entire group should be criminalized for it."

So in other words, because of the perception that Blacks commit more crimes this somehow justifies the fact that Black people are actually policed more. The problem is that this shouldn’t be the case. First, an overwhelming percentage of Blacks are not criminals and those that have been convicted of crimes, studies show that roughly 75% of Blacks in prison are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses. The other narrative is that Black neighborhoods are ubiquitously framed as being problematic and crime prone when in fact there are a plethora of predominantly Black neighborhoods around the country, one of which I happen to live in, that has extremely low crime rates and are not part of the narrative. On the other end of the spectrum, there are predominantly White neighborhoods that have high crime rates, but for some reason we leave these two types of neighborhoods out of the narrative as it relates to crime.

So what is happening is that an entire group of people who overwhelmingly are not committing crime and are not guilty, end up being criminalized because of the logic that people have about this.

“BUT BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIMES”: Scholars discuss conservative logic - Sociology Toolbox

Mangling of the language.. NOBODY SAYS (at least nobody well-read) that "Blacks commit more crimes"... NO fucking BODY...

What is correct is that blacks, especially in predominately black areas "ARE MORE LIKELY" to commit crimes.

The 2 assertions are entirely different and only confusing to you because you refuse to learn the basics of statistics...

I know understand stats far better than you. And I've shown you that. Now, if you have a problem with the title of the article used in the OP, the writers name is listed and there is a link to the article. So you go argue with him about what you conservatives have never said.

 

[IM2]

by the numbers whites commit more crimes
by the percentages blacks are out of frigging control
and a lot of it is black on black crime

stop blaming the white man and take advantage of the world hes built in north America ..no matter if you're ancestors got here in chains or were shoved onto a reservation .
after all the shit blacks have been through in this country under the law Youre actually free and equal Americans

ya fought long and hard and won it dumb asses ...

any one still sitting around crying about evil Y/T is worthless and weak
what do ya want a race war ? you already shed enough of you're own blood

Shut up. The white man will be held accountable for what he has done and keeps doing. And listen punk, you can stop trying to threaten people with a race war every time your white ass gets butthurt. We all gotta die one day so do I shut up because some punk ass saltine threatens a war, or do I allow myself to get punked then stand before God with eternity on the line and he asks me why didn't I stand against racism? My choice is easy so until the white man stops, the fight doesn't.

 

[IM2]

"The problem with this type of logic is that we assume that an entire group of people is responsible for the actions of some"

Ironic that this advice appears in a thread by IM2 who never stops blaming white people for every-gotdamn-thing.

The whites who are racists are not all white people are they?

White racists will be blamed for what they have done and continue to do.

 

[IM2]

Yup... here it is from fbi.gov...

Table 43

Homicide and Robbery higher than Whites, and I'm pretty sure that Hispanic is grouped in with White in this chart.

Yep and every other crime lower. Stop blaming Hispanics when there are more whites and there are black Hispanics.

 

[IM2]

Racial paranoia run amok.

By you.

 

[harmonica]

blacks commit crimes at MUCH higher rates than whites
FACT
???!!!!!!???
blacks graduate at lower rates--- FACT
ASterling = cops did everything right--they tried their best NOT to shoot him
.....but he kept resisting/kept escalating the problem and he KNEW he had a pistol--but he kept resisting
etc
this is not rocket science for '''scholars'' [ hahahahahhahaha ] to discuss
you have a pistol and resist arrest = you probably will JUSTIFIABLY get shot
K Scott had a pistol
..you act in a threatening manner/etc you will get shot

 

[IM2]

Mangling of the language.. NOBODY SAYS (at least nobody well-read) that "Blacks commit more crimes"... NO fucking BODY...

What is correct is that blacks, especially in predominately black areas "ARE MORE LIKELY" to commit crimes.

The 2 assertions are entirely different and only confusing to you because you refuse to learn the basics of statistics...

Perhaps I've been misled, but I've read that blacks commit more violent crime many times. That African-American males commit between 47% and 52% of homicides and violent crime but only represent 13% of the population.

FactCheck: do black Americans commit more crime?

You have been misled. Channel4.com is not fact check. And whites commit the most violent crime.

 

[BULLDOG]

blacks commit crimes at MUCH higher rates than whites
FACT
???!!!!!!???
blacks graduate at lower rates--- FACT
ASterling = cops did everything right--they tried their best NOT to shoot him
.....but he kept resisting/kept escalating the problem and he KNEW he had a pistol--but he kept resisting
etc
this is not rocket science for '''scholars'' [ hahahahahhahaha ] to discuss
you have a pistol and resist arrest = you probably will JUSTIFIABLY get shot
K Scott had a pistol
..you act in a threatening manner/etc you will get shot

So being armed is a valid reason for the cops to kill you? I thought it was a constitutional right to be armed. Please make up your mind.

 

[harmonica]

blacks murder over eight other blacks every DAY
we've been over this before

Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

n 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The paper categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest.

case closed
https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that-kneeling-ignores-the-real-cause-of-soaring-black-homicides/

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

There are some very misleading statistic in the FBI's crime data.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"conservative logic"

An oxymoron if there ever was one.