Bush Says Disgusted by Abuse of Iraqis, Vows to Act

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    Bush Says Disgusted by Abuse of Iraqis, Vows to Act

    By Adam Entous

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush said on Friday he was deeply disgusted by the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops and vowed that those responsible would be "taken care of" after photographs depicting the acts were published and broadcast around the world.

    The photos showed U.S. troops smiling, posing, laughing or giving the thumbs-up sign as naked, male Iraqi prisoners were stacked in a pyramid or positioned to simulate sex acts with one another.

    Bush blamed a "few people" for the abuses and defended the conduct of U.S. occupation forces as the White House scrambled to head off a backlash in Iraq and across the Arab world.

    "I shared a deep disgust that those prisoners were treated the way they were treated," Bush said in the White House Rose Garden after talks with Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin.

    "I didn't like it one bit," Bush added. "But I also want to remind people that those few people who did that do not reflect the nature of the men and women we've sent overseas. That's not the way the people are. It's not their character, that are serving our nation in the cause of freedom."

    "And there will be an investigation," Bush said of the actions of the troops. "I think they'll be taken care of."

    Democratic presidential rival John Kerry said he was "troubled" by what he called "the evidence of shameful mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners," and called on the military to take "appropriate action."

    The photos, which appeared on television and in newspapers, showed U.S. troops abusing some of the Iraqis held at the Abu Ghraib prison, a notorious center of torture and executions under toppled President Saddam Hussein's government.

    One Iraqi man had a slur written on his skin in English. Another was directed by Americans to stand on a box with his head covered, and wires attached to his hands, and was informed that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted.

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    The publicity could not have been worse in the Arab world with the sexual humiliation depicted in the pictures particularly shocking.

    Before condemning U.S. abuses at the prison, Bush praised his decision to remove of Saddam. "There are no longer torture chambers or rape rooms or mass graves in Iraq," he said.

    White House spokesman Scott McClellan called the abuses "despicable," and said the military is pursuing criminal charges against those responsible. "We need to let that process work," he said.

    He said Bush has "known about it (the charges) for a while," but did not say which images he had seen.

    Officials said on Thursday that the U.S. military is weighing disciplinary action against the Army general who was in command of the prison on the western outskirts of Baghdad.

    Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, in charge of the prison, could be relieved of her command, blocked from promotion or receive a letter of reprimand after a noncriminal administrative investigation relating to events at Abu Ghraib prison, said Col. Jill Morgenthaler, a military spokeswoman in Baghdad.

    The U.S. military now holds several thousand prisoners at Abu Ghraib, most of them rounded up on suspicion of carrying out attacks against U.S.-led forces.

    The U.S. military announced on March 20 it had brought criminal charges against six soldiers with the 800th Military Police Brigade, which could lead to courts-martial.

    The charges, stemming from a probe launched in January, relate to accusations of abuse carried out in November and December 2003 on around 20 detainees at the prison.

    The charges included indecent acts with another person, maltreatment, battery, dereliction of duty and aggravated assault. It was unclear whether the charges were connected directly with the photos.


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    oooooh, OK! carpet bombing, dropping cluster bombs are OK, but this isn't??? GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK. the cognitive dissonance of this administration has reached an all time high on the hypocrisy meter. how you bushies can stomach it is ASTOUNDING.
     
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    One is an act of war and the other is abuse of prisoners. Abusing prisoners is not an act of war. I also believe the torture of prisoners is against the Geneva convention (not sure on that).

    Can you really not see the difference between the two?

    In war I expect both sides to use their military power to overwhelm and defeat the enemy. I also expect both sides to treat any captives appropriately and in a humane manner. The soldiers who abused these prisoners and those that allowed it will hopefully be dealt with in the appropriate manner.

    Do you have a relative who posts here as Bullypulpit? :)
     
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    In every armed force I believe you will find some level of cruelty. When this occurs in the US armed forces, those responsible are identified, court martialed and punished. Our enemy in Iraq would reward such behavior. This is another reason we are the liberators and they are the oppressors.
     
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    Excellent observation jim and welcome to the boards.
     
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    "I also believe the torture of prisoners is against the Geneva convention (not sure on that)."

    I think you are correct on that Jim

    "He {Scott McClellan} said Bush has "known about it (the charges) for a while," but did not say which images he had seen.

    Its good that hes responding now but the possibility that he might have known about it before is troubleing.
     
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    Got to agree with the reasonable ones, in any 'organization' there are sadistic losers. If these pictures are real, they perps should be held up to military law and dealt with as harshly as possible. If this was someone's idea of a joke and it got out of hand, they still need to face a court martial, as it puts the military in an awful position.

    That said, it was a small number of members responsible, to blame the administration, the entire military, DOD, etc., is just partisan goobledegoop.
     
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    Am I the only one who finds this funny and doesn't give a shit? There is a famous saying "all's fair in love and war", let these guys blow off some steam by fucking with these guys, they are not torturing or killing them, are they? Fuck the Geneva convention! These sob's are the enemy! Who knows how many Americans or Iraqis for that matter these pricks smoked.
     
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    No OCA your not the only one. In fact they kind of looked like the
    "unknow Iraqi" !! :D
     
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    Yea but the point is we're better than these animals.
     
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    I agree Insein. Never want to become them.
     

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