Bush/Republican Doctrine Verses the Obama Doctrine

[Vel]

Most in the Republican base don't even know they have a Doctrine. To put it simply, the Bush/Republican Doctrine is to attack and level a country you think might one day, in the far future, threaten the US.

Here we go again.

Can you give me a list of all the countries Bush leveled?



Last time I checked the map Iraq is still there. I guess you have a different definition of level than the rest of the world.



When did we bomb Iran?



Because no one used it?



He tricked us into invading Iraq by telling us exactly what everyone believed. Why do you think Hillary never retracted her vote on the war? Could it be because she actually talked with an ex president and got his confirmation that there were WMDs in Iraq?



We didn't tear down that nation?

Does that mean that Obama does not actually get credit for Libya?



Can you give me any links to anyone anywhere that is describing Obama in those words?

The reason Obama has been much more successful overseas than domestically is because it's much easier for the Republican Party to block his actions domestically. I suspect he would achieve the same level of success if Republicans worked with him instead of demanding he fail, or at least get out of the way. Of course, that won't happen. Because they want him to "fail".

What makes you think there is a difference between foreign and domestic policy anywhere but in the small minds of confused people.

By the way, the US is actually viewed less favorably in the Arab world now than we were when that impulsive cowboy was president.

Iraq and Afghanistan. One was for justice, the other was for fun and profit.

When do you ask a "serious" question?

So rdean... WHO is going to be in charge in Libya? Who are the rebels we've supported with our bombs? What are the plans to replace the central government and keep the country from the perils of Somalia? Who collects the money for Libya's oil sales and who is in charge of making sure there is a stable food supply?

 

[ShackledNation]

The Bush doctrine was to take over with full force and use a form of "mad", but instead of nukes or destruction it was threat of force(war). Afghanistan is kind of understandable after those bastards attacked us...The Taliban was the extremist and we replaced it with moderates that would give the country a fighting chance. Iraq is debatable, but saddam was a piece of shit and was funding terrorist activity, but it didn't have the pay offs that Afghanistan surely has, because you could replace him with some one worst. Countries like Libya backed down and respected us. The middle east respected us as a force and are enemies were on the run more or less. The middle east was pretty stable.

The Obama doctrine lets just say is a cluster fuck. We lost as many troops in Afghanistan with his policies and the Taliban may take over once we're gone. So if that occurs we lose as the country falls to where we started with. Iraq has turned into a snake that is siding with people like Assad and iran. We took a chance and we will find out, it was not a good choice of action. What is the worst thing Obama has done is disstablize the middle east and northern Africa(taking out the moderate dictators). We're stabbing our friends like Mubarak of Egypt that had holded the peace for 30 years...We're doing that to all our friends throughout this part of the world. Democracy doesn't work in this part of the world, because these people hate us and will put someone more extreme most of the time into power. They will do so with Egypt, Libya, Tanzania, Lemon, maybe even syria, and Pakistan is laughing at us and thumbing there nose. We have a huge mess that we may not repair and full scale wars may break out, because of it. We will be living with it for the next 100 years in one form or the other.

The Obama doctrine is a joke! This arab spring crap is a extremist spring that we will be living with for a very long time.

Democracy doesn't work in this part of the world?

Bullshit.

Democracy works everywhere.

It hasn't seemed to be working too well in the US lately.

 

[ShackledNation]

Some of you Democrats get it when it comes to foreign policy. But most democrats are only antiwar when a Republican is in charge. That isn't principle, that is partisanship.

 

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The Bush doctrine was to take over with full force and use a form of "mad", but instead of nukes or destruction it was threat of force(war). Afghanistan is kind of understandable after those bastards attacked us...The Taliban was the extremist and we replaced it with moderates that would give the country a fighting chance. Iraq is debatable, but saddam was a piece of shit and was funding terrorist activity, but it didn't have the pay offs that Afghanistan surely has, because you could replace him with some one worst. Countries like Libya backed down and respected us. The middle east respected us as a force and are enemies were on the run more or less. The middle east was pretty stable.

The Obama doctrine lets just say is a cluster fuck. We lost as many troops in Afghanistan with his policies and the Taliban may take over once we're gone. So if that occurs we lose as the country falls to where we started with. Iraq has turned into a snake that is siding with people like Assad and iran. We took a chance and we will find out, it was not a good choice of action. What is the worst thing Obama has done is disstablize the middle east and northern Africa(taking out the moderate dictators). We're stabbing our friends like Mubarak of Egypt that had holded the peace for 30 years...We're doing that to all our friends throughout this part of the world. Democracy doesn't work in this part of the world, because these people hate us and will put someone more extreme most of the time into power. They will do so with Egypt, Libya, Tanzania, Lemon, maybe even syria, and Pakistan is laughing at us and thumbing there nose. We have a huge mess that we may not repair and full scale wars may break out, because of it. We will be living with it for the next 100 years in one form or the other.

The Obama doctrine is a joke! This arab spring crap is a extremist spring that we will be living with for a very long time.

Democracy doesn't work in this part of the world?

Bullshit.

Democracy works everywhere.

It hasn't seemed to be working too well in the US lately.

Democracy works fine, it's the Socialist that are the problem.

 

[ShackledNation]

Democracy doesn't work in this part of the world?

Bullshit.

Democracy works everywhere.

It hasn't seemed to be working too well in the US lately.

Democracy works fine, it's the Socialist that are the problem.

I agree socialism is a problem, but democracy doesn't always work to great either. That is why the US was set up as a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

Also, since you love democracy, can you please explain to me how intervening in foreign countries and bombing them is democratic? Thanks.

 

[Charles_Main]

It hasn't seemed to be working too well in the US lately.

Democracy works fine, it's the Socialist that are the problem.

I agree socialism is a problem, but democracy doesn't always work to great either. That is why the US was set up as a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

Also, since you love democracy, can you please explain to me how intervening in foreign countries and bombing them is democratic? Thanks.

So you can't see how Bombing a Dictator to help topple him so Possibly Democratic Election can occur is Democratic?

 

[ShackledNation]

Democracy works fine, it's the Socialist that are the problem.

I agree socialism is a problem, but democracy doesn't always work to great either. That is why the US was set up as a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

Also, since you love democracy, can you please explain to me how intervening in foreign countries and bombing them is democratic? Thanks.

So you can't see how Bombing a Dictator to help topple him so Possibly Democratic Election can occur is Democratic?

You know, you are right. Let's nuke North Korea so we can set up a democracy there too. Let's overthrow all nondemocratic governments. Oh, and when they hold elections and elect some radical leader we don't like, we can just initiate a coup to overthrow that leader and install a dictator we like. Hey, it worked with Iran!

The United States has no right or responsibility to get itself involved in revolutions occurring around the world. Unless the country is acting as an aggressor against us, we have no business being there.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The Bush doctrine was to take over with full force and use a form of "mad", but instead of nukes or destruction it was threat of force(war). Afghanistan is kind of understandable after those bastards attacked us...The Taliban was the extremist and we replaced it with moderates that would give the country a fighting chance. Iraq is debatable, but saddam was a piece of shit and was funding terrorist activity, but it didn't have the pay offs that Afghanistan surely has, because you could replace him with some one worst. Countries like Libya backed down and respected us. The middle east respected us as a force and are enemies were on the run more or less. The middle east was pretty stable.

The Obama doctrine lets just say is a cluster fuck. We lost as many troops in Afghanistan with his policies and the Taliban may take over once we're gone. So if that occurs we lose as the country falls to where we started with. Iraq has turned into a snake that is siding with people like Assad and iran. We took a chance and we will find out, it was not a good choice of action. What is the worst thing Obama has done is disstablize the middle east and northern Africa(taking out the moderate dictators). We're stabbing our friends like Mubarak of Egypt that had holded the peace for 30 years...We're doing that to all our friends throughout this part of the world. Democracy doesn't work in this part of the world, because these people hate us and will put someone more extreme most of the time into power. They will do so with Egypt, Libya, Tanzania, Lemon, maybe even syria, and Pakistan is laughing at us and thumbing there nose. We have a huge mess that we may not repair and full scale wars may break out, because of it. We will be living with it for the next 100 years in one form or the other.

The Obama doctrine is a joke! This arab spring crap is a extremist spring that we will be living with for a very long time.

Democracy doesn't work in this part of the world?

Bullshit.

Democracy works everywhere.

Democracy within the islamic world=the Taliban and the most violent extremist taking over each country. Pakistan and Lemon would likely of voted for Osama bin laden to be king if they had the vote. That is how democracy works in this part of the world...To get a moderate you need a strong handed dictator that is not islamic...We may of fucked our selfs getting saddam out of power. That is what the left can't understand as things are the way they're in that part of the world for a damn good reason.

This is not a good thing

 

[Mr. Shaman]

LOl, SO, supporting dropping bombs on people is considered, thoughtful and wise..
but bush liberating people is somehow DIFFERENT.

Yeah.....that's what it was....liberating people......to cover-up the.....

....ULTIMATE fuck-up.

 

[Stephanie]

Clinton tried this " thoughtful and wise" Doctrine, and it gave us 9/11..

whatever happened to the cries from the left about how we are CREATING more TERRORIST by meddling in the middle east.

I guess that flew out there butts when a Democrat was elected the same as ANTI-WAR protesting did.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Bush/Republican Doctrine Verses the Obama Doctrine

Bush's was (obviously)
"Don't Look Behind The Curtain."​

March 3, 2002​

"The federal judge who ordered the Bush administration to turn over some records related to Vice President Cheney's energy task force wondered "what in the world" the Energy Department was doing, acting at such a "glacial pace" in response to Freedom of Information Act requests.

"The government can offer no legal or practical excuse for its excessive delay," Judge Gladys Kessler of the U.S. District Court in Washington wrote in an order made public on Wednesday.

But while Kessler expressed amazement at the Energy Department's response to information requests under FOIA, the 36-year-old cornerstone law for government transparency, the reluctance to provide information has become routine throughout the administration, liberal and conservative public interest groups say. They say it is a gathering trend, fed by, but not rooted in, the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks."

What Was Lil' Dumbya Trying to Hide?​

​

Pretty-Much
EVERYTHING!!!​

 

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Democracy works fine, it's the Socialist that are the problem.

I agree socialism is a problem, but democracy doesn't always work to great either. That is why the US was set up as a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

Also, since you love democracy, can you please explain to me how intervening in foreign countries and bombing them is democratic? Thanks.

So you can't see how Bombing a Dictator to help topple him so Possibly Democratic Election can occur is Democratic?

The problem is It's Not Our Problem. We should keep out of it. Those people don't deserve our help for anything. Don't you remember the celebrating they did when the guy that caused flight 102 to crash came home? They all celebrated when the world trade center came down. TO HELL WITH THEM, let their rulers kill all of them. Less for us to deal with someday.