Bush pushes immigration reform

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    Bush spoke in Yuma today about immigration reform. He is appealing to Republican right wingers in order to pass immigration bill.

     
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    Here's a novel idea .... let's enforce the laws we have on the books.:wtf:
     
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    Legal immigration is severely broken. Illegal immigrants provide cheaper labor. What needs to happen.

    1) The legal immigration path needs to be fixed. Right now the backlog alone is making it almost impossible to gain legal citizenship. We have a Canadian dba where I work. He and his family have been here for seven years. He never imagined at the time that his now 19 and 18 year-old sons wouldn't be able to work because they weren't citizens yet. His whole family has been stuck in "stage three" (his words, not mine) for over a year now and he's still caught up in the million-application backlog. He's been working on his family's citizenship for 5 years now and is still ooking at anywhere from a year to two years to finish. That's his reward for doing it "the right way."

    2) Those who prey on the cheap labor of illegal immigrants need to be dealt with. They provide the demand. And, anyone who understands the demand in "supply and demand" knows that that is what drives the system.
     
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    The laws are broken.

    Legal immigration is too complicated and cheap illegal labor is too lucrative. Until both those problems are solved, there will be no solution to our illegal immigration problem.
     
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    That's part of it. The fact that Juan can sashay over the Rio Grande at his leisure in a bright orange jeep blaring Tejano music is another REAL issue.

    I have no sympathy for employers who are making an even bigger profit by hiring illegals if they suddenly have to start paying real wages and the taxes that go with them. IMO, they're as much criminals as the illegals are. Both enrich themselves at the expense of the social infrastructure.
     
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    Merely a consequence of the aforementioned problems. If juan could get over here without a barrel of red tape and couldn't get a job here even if he did... the only security we'd need would be a dotted line in chalk along the border. (Well, of course if we didn't have that terrorism problem, but the terrorism problem is a different issue altogether)

    Problem is that the penalty(ies) for hiring are almost non-existant. And, even when they're caught, they act all surprised and lie about their knowledge of their employees' status. My favorite are the companies that get caught with hundreds of illegal employees and then act as if the "sophisticated illegal immigrant cartel" fooled them into hiring them.
     
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    If Juan is stopped cold at the border our problem is solved before it even begins...no illegal immigrant problem if they can't cross the border.

    The terrorism problem is not really a different issue...no terror if they can't cross the border.
     
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    Right :cuckoo: ... how's that working out for the drug trade?

    Your ignorance of supply and demand is astounding. If the demand is high enough, and the potential rewards outweigh the potential risk... no walls or guards or barbed wire is going to put an end to it. Let's see how walls have fared in history.

    Wall of Jericho... casualty of a trumpet.
    Great Wall of China... Monguls rode around it.
    Wall of Rome... numerous tribes tumbled through them.
    Maginot Line... Germans smashed through it.
    Atlantic Wall... Allies found its weakness and smashed through it.
    Berlin Wall... plenty of people tunneled under it, climbed it.

    Ignorant of history = ignorant of a workable solution... that's your problem.


    Right :cuckoo:... ok, illustrate to us how any one of the 9/11 hijackers ran across the Rio Grande to gain entry into the U.S. Any one of them.
     
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    Your stupidity is asstounding. Everything is not just supply and demand. There is such a thing as taking political/physical action. All of those walls worked to a great degree during their time. Even the beginning of monitoring of our borders is starting to show some success. It may not be perfect but it can certainly slow down the river to a trickle if done well. It's the quickest way to stop the incoming hordes. Or are you just one of the idiots willing to lie back and let them turn our country into another third world country?

    Of course there are a myriad of methods for terrorists to infiltrate our country. However, what's one of the best ways today to smuggle in a nuclear suitcase?

    My problem is liberal idiots like you.
     
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    We could seal the border. We will not. Americans fear being called names by foreign governments than they do the collapse of our social infrastructure.

    Jasendorf has a point. As long as $ = power, those that have are not going to make any great effort to change the status quo, and those who are reaping the benefits of illegal aliens are also the ones who buy the political clout. As long as the fine for hiring them is a slap on the wrist, there is no incentive for them to stop.

    I'm for a serious, military-type wall AND closing the loopholes in the law, to include making the penalty for traffcking in and/or hiring illegals hurt what appears to be the most important things to them ... the wallet.
     

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