Bush agreement made bin Laden raid possible

[uscitizen]

Who would have thought of this?

Too bad no one in this forum ever thought that the protests from Pakistan and the claim that Obama was worried about Pakistani retaliation made no sense.

Oh wait, I did say that.

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.
Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.
"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10*years ago by US and Pakistan | World news | The Guardian

For everyone who doubted me, I told you so.

Who would have doubted you to be a Bush apologist?

 

[Avatar4321]

cite where someone said bush had the intel on exactly where osama was.

i do not recall that ever being said. i believe you're making it up because you can't find anything valid to bash the right with in this thread. you can't bash the actual agreement, so you make stuff up.

That's because no one ever did says it. Rdean has to make stuff up to have an argument. though why he would was a lie on this bullcrap is beyond me. I would think the fact that Obama was President when Osama was taken out would make rdean happy to argue the truth. But he is either insecure or such a habitual liar that he needs to resort to it even when the truth would benefit his side.

Weird attitude to have.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Who would have thought of this?

Too bad no one in this forum ever thought that the protests from Pakistan and the claim that Obama was worried about Pakistani retaliation made no sense.

Oh wait, I did say that.

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.
Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.
"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10*years ago by US and Pakistan | World news | The Guardian

For everyone who doubted me, I told you so.

So...

1. the people on the Right who attacked Obama in 2008 for saying he'd go after targets inside Pakistan were full of shit.

2. the people on the Right who are now saying Obama violated Pakistan's 'sovereignty' are also full of shit.

...and in all likelihood, some of you morons qualified for BOTH full of shittednesses.

1. No, because he was unaware of the agreement and still willing to invade a sovereign country that had not attacked us. A fact he demonstrated in Libya.
2. Only if you believe that Bush was smart enough to set up a secret agreement with Pakistan that would cover his, or his successor's, ass if it became necessary to go after bin Laden in Pakistan.

 

[Yurt]

Who would have thought of this?

Too bad no one in this forum ever thought that the protests from Pakistan and the claim that Obama was worried about Pakistani retaliation made no sense.

Oh wait, I did say that.

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.
Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.
"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10*years ago by US and Pakistan | World news | The Guardian

For everyone who doubted me, I told you so.

Who would have doubted you to be a Bush apologist?

who would have doubted you to be a political hack that believes citing facts makes one an apologist....you obviously believe this agreement is bad....what is bad about it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Who would have thought of this?

Too bad no one in this forum ever thought that the protests from Pakistan and the claim that Obama was worried about Pakistani retaliation made no sense.

Oh wait, I did say that.



Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10*years ago by US and Pakistan | World news | The Guardian

For everyone who doubted me, I told you so.

So...

1. the people on the Right who attacked Obama in 2008 for saying he'd go after targets inside Pakistan were full of shit.

2. the people on the Right who are now saying Obama violated Pakistan's 'sovereignty' are also full of shit.

...and in all likelihood, some of you morons qualified for BOTH full of shittednesses.

there are people on the left saying the same things....but i know you never bother yourself with facts because only righties are bad

Of course, liberals are perfect.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Who would have thought of this?

Too bad no one in this forum ever thought that the protests from Pakistan and the claim that Obama was worried about Pakistani retaliation made no sense.

Oh wait, I did say that.

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.
Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.
"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10*years ago by US and Pakistan | World news | The Guardian

For everyone who doubted me, I told you so.

Who would have doubted you to be a Bush apologist?

I am not doing apologetics for Bush, I am pointing out that anyone who believed that we went into Pakistan without permission is an idiot. Since people who support Obama and people who oppose him both fall into that category, I am demonstrably a bipartisan hater.

 

[syrenn]

Who would have thought of this?

Too bad no one in this forum ever thought that the protests from Pakistan and the claim that Obama was worried about Pakistani retaliation made no sense.

Oh wait, I did say that.

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.
Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.
"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10*years ago by US and Pakistan | World news | The Guardian

For everyone who doubted me, I told you so.

I dont know how secret it was as i recall hearing about it.

 

[rdean]

The army, though, wanted to save weight so they told FMC to make the Bradleys out of aluminum. (FMC was later sold and is today United Defense LP, owned in part by George Bush's Carlyle Group.) So I went to FMC and proposed to line the inside of a Bradley with Lexgard, the way we did with limos. This would protect everyone from spall and fire, because Lexgard is fireproof and non-toxic. Installation would have been relatively easy in the boxy Bradley. I was politely turned down. Puzzled, I called Dr. Charles Church, the head of research at the Pentagon. He said, "Listen don't try to modify an existing vehicle. If you want to do something, design it from the ground up and make your armor integral with your chassis." So that's what I did. I came up with something I called "The FLEA," which stood for, "Forward Light Escort, Armored." I used an unknown but powerful fiberglass armor for the body with hardened Lexgard windows. It was to be hydraulically operated with its wheels almost two feet away from the body, for protection against tank landmines. My design was based on my experience with landmines in Rhodesia as a member of their security forces in the terror war in the 70s. Shortly after my design was complete (1982), the army put out a request for proposal (RFP) for a new vehicle they called the "High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle," or "HMMWV." The new Jeep and light truck. I duly submitted the FLEA to Tank Automotive Command (TACOM) in Michigan. After a month or so, I called TACOM and inquired as to the progress of the selection process. The officer said, "The FLEA yes, I have it here Oh, yeah this is armored. We don't want armor." I knew the specification they wanted. The bodywork had to defeat the equivalent of a pellet fired from a pellet gun. Something like 19 grains at 435 feet per second. Something silly like that. I mentioned this to the officer. "Yeah, right. We call it psychological armor'" "'Psychological armor?'" I let that sink in to my brain. "You mean, the guys just THINK they're sitting behind armor?" He chuckled. "Yeah, pretty much." "But, " I said, "I'm under the weight requirement even with the armor. Why not give them the protection?" "That's not what we want."

Military Humvee | MIG Welding issues

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The U.S. Army Reserve soldiers who refused orders to drive a dangerous route were members of one of a few supply units whose trucks are still unarmored, their commanding general said Sunday.

The soldiers, now under investigation, had previously focused on local missions in safer parts of southern Iraq and had never driven a convoy north along the attack-prone roads passing through Baghdad.

"Not all of their trucks are completely armored. In their case, they haven't had the chance to get armored," said Brig. Gen. James E. Chambers, commanding general of 13th Corps Support Command, which sends some 250 convoys ferrying Army fuel, food and ammunition across Iraq each day.

Chambers, speaking at a press conference in Baghdad, said the 18 soldiers involved in the incident had returned to duty and it was "too early" to determine if any will undergo disciplinary action.

He said a pair of investigations are examining the soldiers' disobedience as well as their allegations that the trucks were unfit for the hazardous journey. He declined to discuss particulars, citing the soldiers' rights.

GIs who refused job had unarmored trucks

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Don't get me started on "How Republicans Screwed Our Troops". We have 8 fucking years of THAT! Remember, we sit in front of the Internet. It's all right there. The right wing can't rewrite history as good as they think they can.

 

[syrenn]

rdean how stupid are you? Did you go to school for this or what?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

rdean how stupid are you? Did you go to school for this or what?

I think deanie is a prime example of why chronic pot smoking is quite deleterious.

 

[sinister59]

like it or not Obama got him . it was his ok on the operation , it was his victory ,
he kept the CIA going on it , he's the commander n chief , head of the fucking military .
bush congratulated him Chaney congratulated him , where the fuck do you pinhead ass hole get off in trying to high jack it , you stupid inbred ass holes ,

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who would have thought of this?

Too bad no one in this forum ever thought that the protests from Pakistan and the claim that Obama was worried about Pakistani retaliation made no sense.

Oh wait, I did say that.

Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10*years ago by US and Pakistan | World news | The Guardian

For everyone who doubted me, I told you so.

So...

1. the people on the Right who attacked Obama in 2008 for saying he'd go after targets inside Pakistan were full of shit.

2. the people on the Right who are now saying Obama violated Pakistan's 'sovereignty' are also full of shit.

...and in all likelihood, some of you morons qualified for BOTH full of shittednesses.

1. No, because he was unaware of the agreement and still willing to invade a sovereign country that had not attacked us. A fact he demonstrated in Libya.
2. Only if you believe that Bush was smart enough to set up a secret agreement with Pakistan that would cover his, or his successor's, ass if it became necessary to go after bin Laden in Pakistan.

Was Afghanistan a sovereign nation when Bush invaded in 2001, going after Bin Laden and Al Qaeda??

 

[NYcarbineer]

Newsflash!!!

George W. Bush's agreement with God makes Creation of Universe possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Behold!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So...

1. the people on the Right who attacked Obama in 2008 for saying he'd go after targets inside Pakistan were full of shit.

2. the people on the Right who are now saying Obama violated Pakistan's 'sovereignty' are also full of shit.

...and in all likelihood, some of you morons qualified for BOTH full of shittednesses.

1. No, because he was unaware of the agreement and still willing to invade a sovereign country that had not attacked us. A fact he demonstrated in Libya.
2. Only if you believe that Bush was smart enough to set up a secret agreement with Pakistan that would cover his, or his successor's, ass if it became necessary to go after bin Laden in Pakistan.

Was Afghanistan a sovereign nation when Bush invaded in 2001, going after Bin Laden and Al Qaeda??

Yes it was. He also went in with congressional approval, or did you forget that, again?