Bush 2004 !!!

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  1. nbdysfu
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    Here's another gem, just for you:D

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031219/ap_on_re_us/ap_poll_iraq_3
    Poll: Public Confident of Osama Capture
    Thu Dec 18, 8:21 PM ET Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!


    By WILL LESTER, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - Public confidence that Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) will be caught is rising along with approval of President Bush (news - web sites)'s handling of foreign policy and terrorism in the aftermath of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s capture, an Associated Press poll says.


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    Americans remain wary, however, of the continuing deadly conflict in Iraq (news - web sites).


    Increased confidence in the campaign on terror apparently has provided a bump in Bush's overall job ratings and a slight increase in public sentiment for his re-election, according to the poll conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs.


    Almost half of respondents, 45 percent, said they would definitely support his re-election, while 31 percent said they would definitely vote against him. A month ago, people were evenly divided on that question, at 37 percent definitely for and 37 percent definitely against.


    Two-thirds in the poll said they were confident the United States would capture or kill Osama bin Laden, who is believed to have orchestrated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. That's up from about half who felt that way in a poll in September.


    "I'm confident we'll capture Osama bin Laden," said Jill Chiccino, a surgical technician from Wilmington, Del. "I still don't feel that will solve terrorism, but it may help."


    More than six in 10 registered voters, 63 percent, said they approved of Bush's handling of foreign policy and terrorism — up from 54 percent who felt that way in early December in an AP-Ipsos poll. Bush's overall job approval among voters was 59 percent, up slightly from 53 percent in early December but still far below his wartime ratings in the mid-70s.


    Some 94 percent said they thought the war in Iraq was still going on.


    Asked whether they thought the capture of Saddam would cause violence against U.S. troops to increase, decrease or stay about the same, the biggest group, 47 percent, said they expected no change. A third, 33 percent, said violence would decrease and 19 percent said it would increase.


    People were evenly divided on whether Saddam would get a fairer trial from an international tribunal or from Iraqi courts.


    "Iraqi courts will be controlled and run by the United States," said attorney Adam Allen of Tampa, Fla.


    Six in 10 thought the United States' government was likely to be embarrassed by some of the information disclosed by Saddam in a trial. That was higher than the percentage of people who felt Saddam's disclosures would embarrass the governments of France, Russia, Britain or Germany.


    Six in 10 said the capture made it more likely the United States would get help from longtime allies who opposed the Iraq war, but only 12 percent said they felt that was "very likely."


    Overall support for Iraq policy was strong in the poll.


    Seven in 10 said they believed the Iraq war was an important part of the campaign against terrorism rather than a distraction. And by more than a 2-1 margin, people said the war was the right decision and not a mistake, according to the AP-Ipsos poll.


    People are divided on whether the war in Iraq has made terrorist attacks in this country more likely, 40 percent, or less likely, 49 percent.


    Almost two-thirds said they expected a terrorist attack on a major U.S. city, building or national landmark in the next year. But only 15 percent said they thought such an attack was very likely. In a different poll in May, almost half said a terrorist attack was very likely in the near future.





    "I'm not expecting anything as bad as 9-11," said Indiana college student Deanna Moon. But she expected this country would be attacked by people loyal to Saddam and bin Laden: "There's going to be something here and there because their followers are so nutty."

    The AP-Ipsos poll of 1,001 adults was taken Monday through Wednesday and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, slightly larger for subgroups such as registered voters.

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    On the Net:

    Ipsos Web site: http://www.ipsos.com


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    tho jobless claims are dropping, i'm one of them. I'm not happy about it though and I have a feeling that many others will be like me. Yes, I have a new job now but I'm making 2/3rds what I was at my last job and I'm doing more.

    yea, stock market is up, jobless claims are down, but how many are making less money than before?
     
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    He will. Right to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
     
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    Congratulations on the new job DK. :clap:
     
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    Thank you countrygal, and heres something that could further destabilize the political environment

    http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17412

    White-Collar Anger

    By Kevin Danaher and Jason Mark, AlterNet
    December 18, 2003

    Pete Bennett is fed up, and he's not going to take it anymore.


    "People are tired and angry and upset," says the 47-year-old unemployed worker from Danville, California, frustration noticeable in his voice. "People are hurting, losing their homes. If we keep pulling jobs out of the country, how is the economy going to stay up?"


    Coming from an autoworker or a steelworker, these would be familiar words. But Bennett isn't a laid off Ford or GM employee. He used to work for companies such as Bank of America and Wells Fargo, where, as a contract database programmer, he earned between $80,000 and $90,000 a year. But in the last year, he says, he hasn't been able to find any programming work – such jobs, he is told, are moving overseas.


    Bennett is not alone. In recent years, hundreds of thousands of highly skilled, well-paid positions have been sent abroad.


    These days architects in the Philippines are producing blueprints for Fluor; electronic engineers in India are designing cell phone chips for Texas Instruments; and computer programmers in the Czech Republic are building software for Kodak. The stream of job loss is set to become a torrent; a November 2002 study by the consulting firm Forrester Research estimated that over the next 15 years some 3.3 million US service sector jobs would be sent abroad. A more recent report by economists at UC Berkeley says as many as 14 million programming, accounting, paralegal and other service jobs are at risk of being "off-shored."


    The off-shoring of service jobs is déjà vu all over again. In the 1970s, U.S. corporations started shipping manufacturing jobs to low-wage countries such as Mexico, China and Indonesia in an effort to cut labor costs. Now, that same drive to reduce labor costs is hitting more highly skilled workers as service jobs go to well-educated workers in New Delhi and Prague and Singapore. As skilled workers are painfully starting to learn, the logic of cost cutting doesn't distinguish between blue collar and white collar.


    While the economics of sending manufacturing jobs and service positions abroad may be the same, the political consequences promise to be different. In American politics it's one thing to attack the working class, but quite another to undermine the middle class, which votes in higher percentages. As any political consultant will tell you, as the middle class goes, so goes the nation. By cutting white collar positions, American businesses are sowing the seeds of a populist backlash that could redraw the political map.


    One political topic that is bound to be influenced by the off-shoring of service jobs is the hot-button issue of trade policy. Surveys by the Pew Center show that support for free trade policies splits sharply along income lines. Among families earning more than $75,000 a year, 63 percent of people see globalization as positive; among families earning less than $50,000 a year, support drops to 37 percent.


    In effect, better paid workers have supported free trade policies so long as they aren't impacted by them. But now many of those people are suffering the same cold fate that manufacturing workers have grappled with for decades. As more and more skilled jobs go abroad, supporters of free trade are almost certain to reassess whether corporate globalization is in their best interests.


    The loss of high skilled jobs could also have a significant impact on next year's presidential election. Voters' job anxiety is shaping up as the number one election issue, with President Bush struggling against the loss of more than 2 million jobs on his watch and a so far "jobless economic recovery."


    Off-shoring skilled positions is only going to make the anemic job market worse: According to the industry consulting firm Gartner Inc., one in 10 U.S. technology jobs will move overseas by the end of 2004. The disappearance of those good-paying jobs gives Democrats a chance to reach out to more affluent voters whose natural sympathies may lie with Republicans – but whose anger could translate into Democratic gains.


    Winning elections is in large measure about managing expectations – and it's the newly unemployed skilled workers whose expectations are being downsized furthest. As Pete Bennett puts it: "These people have never experienced this before. ... What are we going to replace these jobs with? Flipping burgers?"


    The long-term political effects of the off-shoring of skilled jobs promise to be larger than one single issue or one election. The export of skilled jobs could very likely cause an anti-corporate backlash that will reverse the decades-long drive toward deregulation and the weakening of organized labor.


    During the heady days of the late 1990s, America's high tech class by and large supported the push for deregulation and laissez-faire economics. Now, the software designers and tech engineers who didn't think the government needed to play a role in overseeing the economy are the victims of uncontrolled economic forces. The once comfortable are becoming the insecure. The shift from being a winner to a loser is bound to prompt some serious rethinking about whether corporations should be given free rein to do whatever they like.


    The first signs of this are already evident. Newly vulnerable high tech workers – traditionally not big union supporters – are starting to listen to the entreaties of organized labor. The Communication Workers of America says it is seeing increasing enthusiasm for unionization among off-shored high tech workers. Calls are also increasing for government regulation to staunch the hemorrhage of jobs. In response, state and federal legislators are considering laws to keep service jobs in the United States. The laissez-faire mentality of the 1990s is being replaced by demands that government act to restrain corporations' basic instincts. The political pendulum between dislike of big government and dislike of big business is swinging in a new direction.


    Those businesses shipping high skilled jobs overseas should beware: Short-term profits may come at the cost of future political peril.
     
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    congrats DK!!! maybe it wont take long for you to get back to the level you were at. :clap:
     
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    thanks guys, as to the usajobs thing.....I don't know whether to be angry or embarassed but I tried to apply for the TSA as an airport screener and was turned down. I didn't 'qualify'.

    I wonder if that had to do with all the 'political' type questions in their screening.
     
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    Don't feel to bad, DK, I was turned down for a part time job at Staples! They looked at my resume and immediately shot me down. Your either overqualified or underqualified. Then when you do find a job that is a match, you find out it's paying much lower than industry standard. :(
     
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    my issue with the airport screener test was mainly the first section.

    Its all true/false questions and the questions are to determine whether you believe its true or false about you.

    An example of one question is 'Do you think your political leaders know what they are doing. T/F

    About 1/3 of the 374 questions seemed to be based on your political ideals. something seems wrong with that.
     

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