Bullycide

[alan1]

TM, stop your ranting and posting your off topic posts on a perfectly good discussion

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


I am right on topic

Not with the last 20 or so rant posts you made that I trashed, one more and I will remove you from this thread

You have more self restraint than I.

 

[Ropey]

Regardless of that, it was a suicide. More information does not change the fact that it was a suicide. There is no reason for a prosecutor to investigate.

PROSECUTOR

Again, if that’s part of the job description in a given jurisdiction, yes it is. You do realize that prosecutors will often find that no crime was committed, and file no charges, yes?

And it’s perfectly appropriate to investigate – whomever has that responsibility to investigate – a suicide to ensure that it was indeed a suicide.

There's no reason for a prosecutor to investigate because the police and forensic investigations had already completed and reported as a suicide.

 

[alan1]

Regardless of that, it was a suicide. More information does not change the fact that it was a suicide. There is no reason for a prosecutor to investigate.

PROSECUTOR

Again, if that’s part of the job description in a given jurisdiction, yes it is. You do realize that prosecutors will often find that no crime was committed, and file no charges, yes?

And it’s perfectly appropriate to investigate – whomever has that responsibility to investigate – a suicide to ensure that it was indeed a suicide.

PROSECUTOR

Investigation isn't done by prosecutors unless a potential prosecution is the reason.

SUICIDE

The teen (tragic as it is) killed himself, he wasn't killed by anybody else (not even a bully).

 

[chanel]

At the risk of sounding like a total asshole to the sensitive folk here...........

WTF?
A prosecutor is investigating a suicide?
Tragic as it may be, the teen killed himself. It wasn't a murder.
As a society, have we now become so pansyfied that we now have to try and blame suicide on somebody else and then prosecute? Really?

Way back when I was a teen (and even before that), some kids were bullied, some were the bullies. Nobody committed suicide when I was a kid because some jerk bullied them.
Was it right that some kids were bullied? No, it wasn't. But back then, they pulled up their panties and dealt with it. Back then, bullies would beat you up, steal your lunch money, intimidate you, all face to face. Nowadays, cyber bullying is considered a threat by the pussies our society has become. Seriously? Threatened by somebody over the internet? How fucking cowardly does one have to be to get bullied over the internet? Sometimes I'm amazed that the USA can still produce a standing army with all the PC pansy-ass cowards I read about, and those that would support said PC pansy-ass cowards.

Chanel, I ranted all over your thread.
I bet you'll pull up your big girl panties and not be upset though.

No offense taken alan. I posted this to hear different points of view. This is surely unusual but could it be the new standard procedure?

I am not a fan of the new anti-bullying law here on NJ. The only people I see benefiting from it are the lawyers. But if this boy was bullied to death I would like to see the bullies punished.

My fear is that someone elses life might be ruined if a witch hunt begins. Parents might be desperate to find someone else to blame and suddenly the class clown gets labeled a killer.

This may be just the beginning...

 

[alan1]

At the risk of sounding like a total asshole to the sensitive folk here...........

WTF?
A prosecutor is investigating a suicide?
Tragic as it may be, the teen killed himself. It wasn't a murder.
As a society, have we now become so pansyfied that we now have to try and blame suicide on somebody else and then prosecute? Really?

Way back when I was a teen (and even before that), some kids were bullied, some were the bullies. Nobody committed suicide when I was a kid because some jerk bullied them.
Was it right that some kids were bullied? No, it wasn't. But back then, they pulled up their panties and dealt with it. Back then, bullies would beat you up, steal your lunch money, intimidate you, all face to face. Nowadays, cyber bullying is considered a threat by the pussies our society has become. Seriously? Threatened by somebody over the internet? How fucking cowardly does one have to be to get bullied over the internet? Sometimes I'm amazed that the USA can still produce a standing army with all the PC pansy-ass cowards I read about, and those that would support said PC pansy-ass cowards.

Chanel, I ranted all over your thread.
I bet you'll pull up your big girl panties and not be upset though.

No offense taken alan. I posted this to hear different points of view. This is surely unusual but could it be the new standard procedure?

I am not a fan of the new anti-bullying law here on NJ. The only people I see benefiting from it are the lawyers. But if this boy was bullied to death I would like to see the bullies punished.

My fear is that someone elses life might be ruined if a witch hunt begins. Parents might be desperate to find someone else to blame and suddenly the class clown gets labeled a killer.

This may be just the beginning...

I hope it's not the new standard.

How is it possible to be "bullied to death"? It was a suicide.
Maybe I have a different mindset than some, but I don't see how a suicide can be blamed on others.

 

[Intense]

At the risk of sounding like a total asshole to the sensitive folk here...........

WTF?
A prosecutor is investigating a suicide?
Tragic as it may be, the teen killed himself. It wasn't a murder.
As a society, have we now become so pansyfied that we now have to try and blame suicide on somebody else and then prosecute? Really?

Way back when I was a teen (and even before that), some kids were bullied, some were the bullies. Nobody committed suicide when I was a kid because some jerk bullied them.
Was it right that some kids were bullied? No, it wasn't. But back then, they pulled up their panties and dealt with it. Back then, bullies would beat you up, steal your lunch money, intimidate you, all face to face. Nowadays, cyber bullying is considered a threat by the pussies our society has become. Seriously? Threatened by somebody over the internet? How fucking cowardly does one have to be to get bullied over the internet? Sometimes I'm amazed that the USA can still produce a standing army with all the PC pansy-ass cowards I read about, and those that would support said PC pansy-ass cowards.

Chanel, I ranted all over your thread.
I bet you'll pull up your big girl panties and not be upset though.

That's it...blame the victims, not the perpetrators. And your 'risk' came true.

No Witch Hunt is going to change the reality that the Kid had serious problems.

 

[Ropey]

At the risk of sounding like a total asshole to the sensitive folk here...........

WTF?
A prosecutor is investigating a suicide?
Tragic as it may be, the teen killed himself. It wasn't a murder.
As a society, have we now become so pansyfied that we now have to try and blame suicide on somebody else and then prosecute? Really?

Way back when I was a teen (and even before that), some kids were bullied, some were the bullies. Nobody committed suicide when I was a kid because some jerk bullied them.
Was it right that some kids were bullied? No, it wasn't. But back then, they pulled up their panties and dealt with it. Back then, bullies would beat you up, steal your lunch money, intimidate you, all face to face. Nowadays, cyber bullying is considered a threat by the pussies our society has become. Seriously? Threatened by somebody over the internet? How fucking cowardly does one have to be to get bullied over the internet? Sometimes I'm amazed that the USA can still produce a standing army with all the PC pansy-ass cowards I read about, and those that would support said PC pansy-ass cowards.

Chanel, I ranted all over your thread.
I bet you'll pull up your big girl panties and not be upset though.

No offense taken alan. I posted this to hear different points of view. This is surely unusual but could it be the new standard procedure?

I am not a fan of the new anti-bullying law here on NJ. The only people I see benefiting from it are the lawyers. But if this boy was bullied to death I would like to see the bullies punished.

My fear is that someone elses life might be ruined if a witch hunt begins. Parents might be desperate to find someone else to blame and suddenly the class clown gets labeled a killer.

This may be just the beginning...

I hope it's not the new standard.

How is it possible to be "bullied to death"? It was a suicide.

Maybe I have a different mindset than some, but I don't see how a suicide can be blamed on others.

That's likely since there are two issues here.

• Sensitive children who suicide and have done so since the dawning of man
  
• Bullying which has also been around since the dawn of man.

How many people die of old age and who suffered bullying? How many young people have chosen suicide without ever being bullied and were victims of many other issues that children entering adulthood face?

 

[Sunshine]

TM, if you went to a psychotherpaist and proceeded to spend days, weeks, months, years, whining like you do on here, there is a good chance that therapist would tell you to go ahead and kill yourself if you told him/her you were suicidal ad infinitum. That is called paradoxical therapy, based upon Gestalt theory. Given that I have practiced in the medical model for the last number of years, I have rarely used paradoxical therapy, but I have used it.

The world is what it is. Kids have bullied other kids since the dawn of time. That will not stop because you think the bullies are all right leaning. I can assure you they are not. I learned a long time ago that it takes a fair amount of ego strength to post on a discussion forum. If you don't have the ego strenght to do it, then log out and stay gone.

 

[syrenn]

At the risk of sounding like a total asshole to the sensitive folk here...........

WTF?
A prosecutor is investigating a suicide?
Tragic as it may be, the teen killed himself. It wasn't a murder.
As a society, have we now become so pansyfied that we now have to try and blame suicide on somebody else and then prosecute? Really?

Way back when I was a teen (and even before that), some kids were bullied, some were the bullies. Nobody committed suicide when I was a kid because some jerk bullied them.
Was it right that some kids were bullied? No, it wasn't. But back then, they pulled up their panties and dealt with it. Back then, bullies would beat you up, steal your lunch money, intimidate you, all face to face. Nowadays, cyber bullying is considered a threat by the pussies our society has become. Seriously? Threatened by somebody over the internet? How fucking cowardly does one have to be to get bullied over the internet? Sometimes I'm amazed that the USA can still produce a standing army with all the PC pansy-ass cowards I read about, and those that would support said PC pansy-ass cowards.

Chanel, I ranted all over your thread.
I bet you'll pull up your big girl panties and not be upset though.

"bullying" is the new PC pet.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Morris County Prosecutor's Office is investigating the death of a 15-year-old Morristown High School student, a spokesman for the prosecutor's office said.

The student, Lennon Baldwin, died in an apparent suicide in his home earlier this week, Morris School District officials told students. His death is being investigated jointly by local and county law enforcement and the prosecutor's computer crimes unit.

Morris County Prosecutor Robert Bianchi stated that all aspects, including the possibility of bullying, will be investigated in this matter, according to Capt. Jeffrey Paul, a spokesman for the county prosecutor's office.

Death of Morristown High School student under investigation | NJ.com

Tragic.

I'm curious if all teen suicides will now be investigated this aggressively.

What are they trying to do, find someone to blame for the suicide?

 

[syrenn]

I am of the opinion that there should be no investigation, but I also can understand why some would think that there should be.

Cyberbullying is a phenomenon, that has become part of the internet culture, it can expand beyond our own neighborhood, into cyberspace, which is massive by comparison. In our "real lives", are we actually going to acquire 345 friends or more, like you can do on facebook?. Of course not. Are we going to receive messages from around the world with actual human interaction? Are we going to be piled on by 345 people in our neighborhood because of internet rumors, or the lack of empathy or compassion? Just because our community of actual neighbors are bored?

This boy was born into this culture and did not have a grasp that many of us older people have of actual human interaction. What was reality to him, may not be reality to us. It was a sad day, when parents and society as a whole allowed teens to become part of the social networks with zero moderation. Cell phones, computers have ruined many kids self esteem, and I am sorry. But The boy was at an extremely impressionable age and was experiencing puberty, without the ability to actually fight what the internet culture has become. He may have not seen a way to make it go away. How very sad.

All you have to do to stop the bullying...is hit the off switch.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

bullies defending bullying?

gee what a surprize

Funny how you are just assuming there were bullies involved. This doesn't sound like a bullied kid to me.

Many students approached after the memorial said school officials advised them not to speak about Lennon to the media. Junior Danny Perez, 16, said Lennon was known for his humor.

"He was always smiling and laughing. He was funny," Perez said. "Everyone's been telling me about how he always made everyone's day."

 

[Ropey]

I am of the opinion that there should be no investigation, but I also can understand why some would think that there should be.

Cyberbullying is a phenomenon, that has become part of the internet culture, it can expand beyond our own neighborhood, into cyberspace, which is massive by comparison. In our "real lives", are we actually going to acquire 345 friends or more, like you can do on facebook?. Of course not. Are we going to receive messages from around the world with actual human interaction? Are we going to be piled on by 345 people in our neighborhood because of internet rumors, or the lack of empathy or compassion? Just because our community of actual neighbors are bored?

This boy was born into this culture and did not have a grasp that many of us older people have of actual human interaction. What was reality to him, may not be reality to us. It was a sad day, when parents and society as a whole allowed teens to become part of the social networks with zero moderation. Cell phones, computers have ruined many kids self esteem, and I am sorry. But The boy was at an extremely impressionable age and was experiencing puberty, without the ability to actually fight what the internet culture has become. He may have not seen a way to make it go away. How very sad.

All you have to do to stop the bullying...is hit the off switch.

There's also many other ways to lessen it. Stop it? It's a human characteristic. Civilization simply attempts to moderate it.

 

[syrenn]

Mrs Obama is treated like trash by you scum for trying to get kids to exersize

and Mrs Bush wasn't?

 

[syrenn]

The right in this country has become bullies and they are teaching our kids.

Liar.

 

[Intense]

Mrs Obama is treated like trash by you scum for trying to get kids to exersize

Michelle brings it on herself. She has a Piss Poor Attitude towards others. Sorta like You.

 

[Ropey]

Mrs Obama is treated like trash by you scum for trying to get kids to exersize

Michelle brings it on herself. She has a Piss Poor Attitude towards others. Sorta like You.

 

[syrenn]

I am of the opinion that there should be no investigation, but I also can understand why some would think that there should be.

Cyberbullying is a phenomenon, that has become part of the internet culture, it can expand beyond our own neighborhood, into cyberspace, which is massive by comparison. In our "real lives", are we actually going to acquire 345 friends or more, like you can do on facebook?. Of course not. Are we going to receive messages from around the world with actual human interaction? Are we going to be piled on by 345 people in our neighborhood because of internet rumors, or the lack of empathy or compassion? Just because our community of actual neighbors are bored?

This boy was born into this culture and did not have a grasp that many of us older people have of actual human interaction. What was reality to him, may not be reality to us. It was a sad day, when parents and society as a whole allowed teens to become part of the social networks with zero moderation. Cell phones, computers have ruined many kids self esteem, and I am sorry. But The boy was at an extremely impressionable age and was experiencing puberty, without the ability to actually fight what the internet culture has become. He may have not seen a way to make it go away. How very sad.

All you have to do to stop the bullying...is hit the off switch.

There's also many other ways to lessen it. Stop it? It's a human characteristic. Civilization simply attempts to moderate it.

You could argue its the parents that are to blame for their children being cyber bullied. Who provides them the medium for he abuse?

 

[Ropey]

All you have to do to stop the bullying...is hit the off switch.

There's also many other ways to lessen it. Stop it? It's a human characteristic. Civilization simply attempts to moderate it.

You could argue its the parents that are to blame for their children being cyber bullied. Who provides them the medium for he abuse?

No, you could argue that. I'm not arguing it.

Who provides the medium?

Humanity of course.

 

[Montrovant]

Your partial quote of my post leaves out some information, I also posted this,



An investigation is one thing,
but a a prosecutor?

Why is a prosecutor investigating a suicide if not to potentially prosecute?
I repeat,
I don't see the reason for a prosecutor to be investigating a suicide.

Hopefully it is a matter of there being information we don't have which points to bullying as a potential factor, rather than any overly aggressive search for someone to blame.

Regardless of that, it was a suicide. More information does not change the fact that it was a suicide. There is no reason for a prosecutor to investigate.

PROSECUTOR

I was thinking along these lines : The kid commits suicide. The police and/or parents investigate, in the case of police to determine if it was in fact suicide and not homicide, the parents to try and find out why the child took this path. In looking at it, perhaps there is evidence of bullying/harassment that was not known before. The prosecutor becomes involved in the investigation to see if that bullying/harassment fell into the range of illegal activity.

It depends on what the laws, regulations and/or procedures are in the place this happened, as well as whatever facts might be available to the parties involved that we are not currently privy to. I don't think the suicide itself should be considered the crime, rather the suicide could have brought crimes to light. It's just a possibility which I find more palatable then the idea that this may be some sort of witch-hunt.