building toward a muslim usa

[High_Gravity]

No kidding look at Iraq, their christian population has vanished.

Not just there, Pakistan, Lebanon, Egypt and Iran also had large Christian populations that are now gone, I can assure you there are no Christians over in the Middle East trying to convert those countries to Christian government, they would be beheaded if they tried. Anyone who makes comments like that knows less than zero about how Muslim countries operate, freedom of religion is non fucking existant to them.

.....'Cause you say so, huh??

​

Its true moron.

 

[Dr.Drock]

freedom of religion, not freedom from religions... ask unbelievers and apostates what it is like living in muslim countries..

Bosun, Soggy, I don't compare the US gov't to other countries. I compare the current US gov't to the Constitution and what it should be. I don't lower my expectations because of other countries.

And wanting mangers on government property still shows you want religion in government. You want the US government to promote and celebrate christianity.

Has there ever been a religion thought up by man that didn't want everyone to have that same religion?

Everyone wants their version of religion to "dominate." That's why I'm thankful I don't have one.

Mangers are covered by the U.S. Constitution?

Who knew?

Obviously you intended to be childish there, but anyone who can read can see I didn't say that.

I wouldn't be making religion-based jokes, there's a large pocket of america that truly takes seriously that islam could take over america.

That's far beyond a joke, we don't have enough insane asylums in this country to deal with that.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

so, what do you think of that?

I see this as no different than the Christian extremists in our country pushing their agendas. However, what I am NOT seeing is how this has anything to do with politics, and yet you posted it on a politics message board?

What agenda are the so called "Christian Extremists" pushing? You don't think Muslim extremists have an agenda?

Islam IS politics... it is all encompassing much more so than any other religion.

Gee.....I thought you Fundies always suggested the U.S. was founded on....

.....Judeo/Christian values???

​

 

[bodecea]

rikules, sounds to me like you may be having a question of faith problem. just what do you believe in, bro?

What does HIS faith have to do with this?

I think his lack thereof is the issue.

What does his "lack thereof" have to do with this?

 

[Sallow]

Not just there, Pakistan, Lebanon, Egypt and Iran also had large Christian populations that are now gone, I can assure you there are no Christians over in the Middle East trying to convert those countries to Christian government, they would be beheaded if they tried. Anyone who makes comments like that knows less than zero about how Muslim countries operate, freedom of religion is non fucking existant to them.

.....'Cause you say so, huh??

​

Its true moron.

Sure enough.

And all those countries were former colonies.

I think that had a little to do with it.

 

[bodecea]

so, what do you think of that?

Americans give up booze and bacon?


Not bloody likely.

i dooo like my pulled pork sandwiches, that is for sure...

hold the beer....

Now you've got me hungry!!!!

 

[rikules]

In a newly surfaced video of a 2000 speech to the Islamic Society of North America, Council on American-Islamic Relations Executive Director Nihad Awad told his Muslim audience: "Muslims in America are in the best position to show Islam and to show action and to show vision – not only for a Muslim school, how it should be run, but for an entire society, how it should be run. Who better can lead America than Muslims?"

The Justice Department named both ISNA and CAIR unindicted co-conspirators in a criminal scheme to funnel millions of dollars to Hamas suicide bombers and their families.

In the same speech, "Participating in Public Affairs: Strategies for the Year 2000," Awad encouraged Muslim-Americans to be more assertive with U.S. politicians.

"They should be a servant to our issues," he said. "We should be respected."

Specifically, Awad advised that Muslim-Americans demand politicians include in their national speeches and party platforms that America is also an "Islamic society."

"This is no longer a Christian-Judeo society," Awad maintained. "It is a Christian-Judeo-and-Islamic society."


Read more: CAIR chief's designs to 'run' U.S. revealed CAIR chief's designs to 'run' U.S. revealed

there are plenty of christians who feel the same way;

and, oddly enough, you can find christians in islamic countries trying to turn those islamic countries into christian countries...for the same reasons you list here....

i don't want America to become christian OR islamic

i don't want America catering/pandering to the lunacies of either religion

So, you are sayin that fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are the same?

some of them are

there are some christian fundamentalists who are headed down the same path as the extremist muslims. they are just 20 years behind.

but i fully expect them to catch up

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Americans give up booze and bacon?


Not bloody likely.

i dooo like my pulled pork sandwiches, that is for sure...

hold the beer....

Now you've got me hungry!!!!

On my way to VooDoo BBQ in a minute.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I see this as no different than the Christian extremists in our country pushing their agendas. However, what I am NOT seeing is how this has anything to do with politics, and yet you posted it on a politics message board?

What agenda are the so called "Christian Extremists" pushing? You don't think Muslim extremists have an agenda?

Islam IS politics... it is all encompassing much more so than any other religion.

Christians don't want christianity in government? Then why do they always take issue with non-religious and people of other religions asking government buildings not to put up mangers during christmas and that sort of thing?

Probably because they'd be forced to run-down.....

.....thru their Check-List.....

.....and, verify what is/isn't allowed; penalty-wise.....which sounds an awful-lot like WORK, to them.​

 

[rikules]

so, what do you think of that?

I see this as no different than the Christian extremists in our country pushing their agendas. However, what I am NOT seeing is how this has anything to do with politics, and yet you posted it on a politics message board?

What agenda are the so called "Christian Extremists" pushing? You don't think Muslim extremists have an agenda?

Islam IS politics... it is all encompassing much more so than any other religion.

"What agenda are the so called "Christian Extremists" pushing?"

they believe that America is a christian nation and that our laws shoudl come from the bible

this would make criminals of (and deny rights to);
gays
atheists
non-christians
wiccans
evolutionists

they believe that ONLY christians should serve in the military and in politics
pat robertson; "only christians are fit to serve in the military and in government"


but let's not stop with America....


they believe that their god made the entire world

so the entire world belongs to them!

so the entire world MUST be forced to behave

that is why they send their missionaries all over the world; to convert entire populations and establish christian law


but
lets not stop with the planet earth

they believe that the entire universe was made by god

so the enitre universe belongs to them!

so the entire universe must be made to convert to christianity and follow the laws of the christian bible

i don't want religious lunatics from ANY religion forcing their primitive and dangerous beliefs on us

 

[Robert]

there are plenty of christians who feel the same way;

and, oddly enough, you can find christians in islamic countries trying to turn those islamic countries into christian countries...for the same reasons you list here....

i don't want America to become christian OR islamic

i don't want America catering/pandering to the lunacies of either religion

So, you are sayin that fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are the same?

some of them are

there are some christian fundamentalists who are headed down the same path as the extremist muslims. they are just 20 years behind.

but i fully expect them to catch up

Ya we've seen so many examples of 'Christians' Beheading people not believing......... good call...no really....

 

[Mr. Shaman]

What agenda are the so called "Christian Extremists" pushing? You don't think Muslim extremists have an agenda?

Islam IS politics... it is all encompassing much more so than any other religion.

Christians don't want christianity in government? Then why do they always take issue with non-religious and people of other religions asking government buildings not to put up mangers during christmas and that sort of thing?

Really... that's your issue? A manger scene? I mean, granted, it's not as sexy as stoning gays and rape victims to death.... but come on.

Aw, c'mon......don't go gettin'....

....all aroused, and everything.

Ya' really want your Christianity showing?????

 

[Bosun]

So, you are sayin that fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are the same?

some of them are

there are some christian fundamentalists who are headed down the same path as the extremist muslims. they are just 20 years behind.

but i fully expect them to catch up

Ya we've seen so many examples of 'Christians' Beheading people not believing......... good call...no really....

robert, some folks just do not like christians. i think it is in their dna....

 

[rikules]

there are plenty of christians who feel the same way;

and, oddly enough, you can find christians in islamic countries trying to turn those islamic countries into christian countries...for the same reasons you list here....

i don't want America to become christian OR islamic

i don't want America catering/pandering to the lunacies of either religion

So, you are sayin that fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are the same?

rikules, sounds to me like you may be having a question of faith problem. just what do you believe in, bro?

believe?

ya got me....

can't honestly say i BELIEVE in much of anything

i don't BELIEVE that the christian or islamic god is real

but I DO BELIEVE that I could be wrong

I don't believe i like the christian or islamic god very much

i'd like to believe that IF the christian or islamic god does actually exist that i would get a chance to spit in his eye before he tosses me into hell for petty crimes

i believe that religions divide us and makes the world a dark and scary place

i believe that the big religions are unable to mind their own business and just let everyone be

 

[Mr. Shaman]

OK? so?

so, what do you think of that?

Americans give up booze and bacon?


Not bloody likely.

 

[rikules]

some of them are

there are some christian fundamentalists who are headed down the same path as the extremist muslims. they are just 20 years behind.

but i fully expect them to catch up

Ya we've seen so many examples of 'Christians' Beheading people not believing......... good call...no really....

robert, some folks just do not like christians. i think it is in their dna....

for SOME folks that may be true

however

I see this accusation coming from conservative christians a LOT and MOSTLY it is BEARING FALSE WITNESS (ironic.....fundies breaking their own 10 commandments that they DEMAND everyone ELSE obey!)

MOST people who oppose fundies/extremists christians do not DISLIKE ALL CHRISTIANS

it is illogical to conclude that anyone who dislikes christian fundies/extremists MUST DISLIKE ALL CHRISTIANS

there are many people (some of them are christians) who like MOST christians but NOT the extremists

in fact, many of the people who work for Americans for separation of church and state ARE christians

however
I suppose that SOME people just don't like christians


kinda like SOME people just don't like muslims
or gays
or atheists

did you know that atheists are the most disliked subset of the population?

I blame...fundy christians for that

but I like most christians

 

[rikules]

In a newly surfaced video of a 2000 speech to the Islamic Society of North America, Council on American-Islamic Relations Executive Director Nihad Awad told his Muslim audience: "Muslims in America are in the best position to show Islam and to show action and to show vision – not only for a Muslim school, how it should be run, but for an entire society, how it should be run. Who better can lead America than Muslims?"

The Justice Department named both ISNA and CAIR unindicted co-conspirators in a criminal scheme to funnel millions of dollars to Hamas suicide bombers and their families.

In the same speech, "Participating in Public Affairs: Strategies for the Year 2000," Awad encouraged Muslim-Americans to be more assertive with U.S. politicians.

"They should be a servant to our issues," he said. "We should be respected."

Specifically, Awad advised that Muslim-Americans demand politicians include in their national speeches and party platforms that America is also an "Islamic society."

"This is no longer a Christian-Judeo society," Awad maintained. "It is a Christian-Judeo-and-Islamic society."


Read more: CAIR chief's designs to 'run' U.S. revealed CAIR chief's designs to 'run' U.S. revealed

there are plenty of christians who feel the same way;

and, oddly enough, you can find christians in islamic countries trying to turn those islamic countries into christian countries...for the same reasons you list here....

i don't want America to become christian OR islamic

i don't want America catering/pandering to the lunacies of either religion

ghook93 just neg repped for saying this and said I was lying....

I guess it shows just how uninformed so many people are

christians ARE all over the world trying to convert citizens of other countries.
that is NOT a lie, it is a Fact

and christian religious leaders repeatedly state their desire to implement various components of the bible as law of the land

ghook93 could have chosen to be a man and debate t his but instead he/she chose to just negh rep me and declare me to be a liar

rather pathetic...

it evidence of just how uninformed he truely is

 

[Bosun]

So, you are sayin that fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims are the same?

rikules, sounds to me like you may be having a question of faith problem. just what do you believe in, bro?

believe?

ya got me....

can't honestly say i BELIEVE in much of anything

i don't BELIEVE that the christian or islamic god is real

but I DO BELIEVE that I could be wrong

I don't believe i like the christian or islamic god very much

i'd like to believe that IF the christian or islamic god does actually exist that i would get a chance to spit in his eye before he tosses me into hell for petty crimes

i believe that religions divide us and makes the world a dark and scary place

i believe that the big religions are unable to mind their own business and just let everyone be

I am glad you believe that you could be wrong..

I have been to some really scarey and dark places and may have taken a stroll throught the valley of the shadow of death a time or two...

I would not spit the God of Abraham in the eye, but, I guess I believe that the God of Abraham is real. And, He may not like it..

And I believe that "big relligions" except for Islam can mind their own business and be tolerant of others...

Also I believe that Shari'ah sucks...

Fitnah is much better than Fitrah...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

so, what do you think of that?

I see this as no different than the Christian extremists in our country pushing their agendas. However, what I am NOT seeing is how this has anything to do with politics, and yet you posted it on a politics message board?

Which agendas. The gay marriage one? Islamist don't even allow gays to live.....

That's what you HEARD, huh???

Bacha bazi

 

[Bosun]

Ya we've seen so many examples of 'Christians' Beheading people not believing......... good call...no really....

robert, some folks just do not like christians. i think it is in their dna....

for SOME folks that may be true

however

I see this accusation coming from conservative christians a LOT and MOSTLY it is BEARING FALSE WITNESS (ironic.....fundies breaking their own 10 commandments that they DEMAND everyone ELSE obey!)

MOST people who oppose fundies/extremists christians do not DISLIKE ALL CHRISTIANS

it is illogical to conclude that anyone who dislikes christian fundies/extremists MUST DISLIKE ALL CHRISTIANS

there are many people (some of them are christians) who like MOST christians but NOT the extremists

in fact, many of the people who work for Americans for separation of church and state ARE christians

however
I suppose that SOME people just don't like christians


kinda like SOME people just don't like muslims
or gays
or atheists

did you know that atheists are the most disliked subset of the population?

I blame...fundy christians for that

but I like most christians

so, what are you sayin' that you could be wrong, but, am not sure? Gays are ok, Atheists are ok, Moderates are OK, and anyone who allows me to have the right to exist (without dhimmi tax) is ok..