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no way. it was someone like you probably. tillman probably whoped some ignorant jarheads ass for killing or raping an innocent civilian and he paid. remember that movie with michael j fox, tom barringer and wiliam defoe? I see you as playing barringers part.
not saying you would do those things, but you are definitely not a leader. you are a follower.
It was an a10 pilot you freaking moron. You know an accident. These things happen in war. A10's provide close air support to ground troops, and therefore often find themselves in situations where they are firing on positions very close to friendly troops. Why do you have to imply it was somehow on purpose.
Good lord some people clearly should not procreate.
So today you admit you are a liberal, yesterday you were really a conservative.
LOL
So today you admit you are a liberal, yesterday you were really a conservative.
LOL
i'm not a lefty liberal. one that wants guns banned etc. I just don't like the current gop, which isn't fiscally conservative and they are very anti labor. I love how you admit the gop sucks but you still push their agenda.
Really? Knowing what you know now about Viet Nam or Iraq, you would be willing to sacrafice one of your own to die for those causes? Knowing Bush and most rich kids dodged the draft?
No way is my life or one of my nephews lives worth it. I know that is horrible for most Americans to hear. It is very unpatriotic, but its the truth. I agree with Ali. No Viet Namese ever called me a....
Maybe I would have gone after 9 11, but then Bush spread us thin and that put our troops in both Afgan and Iraq in jeopordy. And our troops sat in the middle of a civil war in iraq for 4 yrs without a game plan.
No, no way i'd let my kids go get blown up in iraq under bush's leadership and get blown up so exxon can make record profits and so haloburton can empty the us treasury.
maybe ww2 I would, but then you see how they use front line soldiers. They sent millions to die in normandy or at midway. small gains but huge losses of life.
What good is freedom when my kid is dead.
Republicans used to be non interventionalists. Unless it directly affected America, we stayed out of world affairs. Today, they tell us we fight for freedom but then it ends up being about power and money.
I respect any kid that signs up, but kids are dumb and think they are invincible.
Look how they treated Tillman. They covered up how he died.
Look at Abu Garabe. Rumsfeld told them to torture and then they court marshalled soldiers when it should have been the commanders that got locked up.
I could go on about how we all know our politicians are corrupt, so why would I go die for their causes?
Not after the last 6 yrs. No way. I couldn't stop my kids, but I sure would try.
is that the oficial word now? his own family isn't buying it. I love how you believe liars. and besides, I don't suggest I know and I don't want to hear you claim you do. not the point anyways. butt out of this one. I don't want to discuss tillman. he was a great man and too sensitive, I should not have mentioned him. real american hero.
No, no way i'd let my kids go get blown up in iraq under bush's leadership and get blown up so exxon can make record profits and so haloburton can empty the us treasury.
I respect any kid that signs up, but kids are dumb and think they are invincible.
I could go on about how we all know our politicians are corrupt, so why would I go die for their causes?
Someone told me that is was not true that the soldiers were sent to Iraq under equipt. I have a buddy who's mom had to send her son a flack jacket. I just love how people try to forget what really happened. I guess they don't want to know what is really going on.
Anyways, I found this Kerry quote:
If I am President, never again will parents or husbands or wives of soldiers have to send them body armor instead of photographs and care packages. Last month a young newlywed in Virginia who, as her husband was about to ship out to Iraq, gave him a bullet proof vest for Valentine's Day. I can tell you right now: in a Kerry Administration, no one will be getting body armor as a gift from a loved one; it will come from the Armed Forces of the United States of America. We will supply our troops with everything they need -- and we will reimburse each and every family who has had to buy body armor because this Administration made Valentine's Day part of the procurement process.
Someone told me that is was not true that the soldiers were sent to Iraq under equipt. I have a buddy who's mom had to send her son a flack jacket. I just love how people try to forget what really happened. I guess they don't want to know what is really going on.
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she may have sent one, but i highly doubt the "had to" part
and i doubt it was a flack jacket either
Oh my god. You are good. See how you want to shift the debate to whether or not she "had to"? Her son didn't have one, so she either sent it or he went without. Isn't that the point?
Also, what do you call a bullet proof vest? That's what I'm talking about. Are you trying to catch me in a gaffe that is irrelivent to the issue? The fact is, troops were sent to iraq, under equipt, under trained and under manned. Was it a "flack jacket". It was if that's the same thing as a bullet proof vest.
The Iraq war is being run by Navi Admirals. Did you know that? What do they know about desert war?
They had to rush kids into iraq so instead of desert training, they were trained in their normal training camps of hills and trees in middle america. So they were not prepared to go to Iraq. You don't know all these things happened? No wonder you are clueless.
And no I'm not making this up and no this isn't a lie that was told to me. They are facts dumb shit.
The fact that you haven't heard any of the stories is rediculous.
wow, please do keep postingOh my god. You are good. See how you want to shift the debate to whether or not she "had to"? Her son didn't have one, so she either sent it or he went without. Isn't that the point?
Also, what do you call a bullet proof vest? That's what I'm talking about. Are you trying to catch me in a gaffe that is irrelivent to the issue? The fact is, troops were sent to iraq, under equipt, under trained and under manned. Was it a "flack jacket". It was if that's the same thing as a bullet proof vest.
The Iraq war is being run by Navi Admirals. Did you know that? What do they know about desert war?
They had to rush kids into iraq so instead of desert training, they were trained in their normal training camps of hills and trees in middle america. So they were not prepared to go to Iraq. You don't know all these things happened? No wonder you are clueless.
And no I'm not making this up and no this isn't a lie that was told to me. They are facts dumb shit.
The fact that you haven't heard any of the stories is rediculous.
Get off your soapbox. What is ridiculous is you once again blabbing about something you have no clue about.
One, no front line combat troops did not have protective armor. Period. End of story. The whining that was presented on TV was done by National Guardsman who were in the rear with the gear.
Guess what? If the front line troops need your chairpolishing ass's protective armor, you give that shit up without a fucking word or you're a lowlife puke.
Two, the military does not, has not, and does not pretend to issue "bulletproof vests." The kevlar helmet will NOT deflect a direct hit from a round, nor will the body armor. It will deflect shrapnel. You build a better vest and I will build a bullet that will penetrate it.
All branches of the US military have regularly conducted desert warfare training since the early 80s. If National Guard units do not, THAT is on the STATE Governor, not the US military.
So yeah, you ARE making your shit up. Another one of your "friends." According to you, you must know every-damned-one since you've got a friend in just about every facet of life that you wish to comment on.
The real kicker is you aren't fooling anyone. Anyone who has served in the US military knows you're full of shit right off the bat.
Get off your soapbox. What is ridiculous is you once again blabbing about something you have no clue about.
One, no front line combat troops did not have protective armor. Period. End of story. The whining that was presented on TV was done by National Guardsman who were in the rear with the gear.
Guess what? If the front line troops need your chairpolishing ass's protective armor, you give that shit up without a fucking word or you're a lowlife puke.
Two, the military does not, has not, and does not pretend to issue "bulletproof vests." The kevlar helmet will NOT deflect a direct hit from a round, nor will the body armor. It will deflect shrapnel. You build a better vest and I will build a bullet that will penetrate it.
All branches of the US military have regularly conducted desert warfare training since the early 80s. If National Guard units do not, THAT is on the STATE Governor, not the US military.
So yeah, you ARE making your shit up. Another one of your "friends." According to you, you must know every-damned-one since you've got a friend in just about every facet of life that you wish to comment on.
The real kicker is you aren't fooling anyone. Anyone who has served in the US military knows you're full of shit right off the bat.
yeah, see, before RFI, it took FIVE YEARS to get new equipment rolled outReally, cause I talk to Marines who say they come back all brainwashed like you and then some snap out and some become old swift boat veterans.
WASHINGTON -- All Soldiers in Iraq will be issued fourteen pieces of new Army equipment from the Rapid Fielding Initiative.
Additional RFI equipment is provided for Brigade Combat Teams based on their missions.
Not all Soldiers in Iraq have been equipped with RFI, but Program Executive Office Soldier, anticipate by the end of fiscal year 2004 all deployed Soldiers to Iraq will be wearing RFI.
We are doing everything we can to make that goal a reality said Charles Rash, acting Deputy of PEO Soldier. Next our objective is to finish equipping the remainder of the operational Army with RFI by the end of FY07.
RFI is a system set up by PEO. Responsibilities to the Army include testing and fielding improved equipment and gear. Since 2002, it has received a total of $1.2 billion in funding.
Thanks to the development of RFI, Soldiers no longer have to purchase or face long delays before receiving new equipment. Rash said the turn-around time has also improved, to provide Soldiers with state-of-the-art weapons, clothing and equipment before they leave for operational deployment.
Before RFI was established, Soldiers could expect a wait of up to five years to get new boots. Today, RFI has drastically reduced this wait so Solders will receive their boots in one year and ten months from when they put in the request. RFI is about making things happen a lot faster and it has been very successful with that, said Rash.
Soldiers in Iraq to Get New Equipment
Really, cause I talk to Marines who say they come back all brainwashed like you and then some snap out and some become old swift boat veterans.
WASHINGTON -- All Soldiers in Iraq will be issued fourteen pieces of new Army equipment from the Rapid Fielding Initiative.
Additional RFI equipment is provided for Brigade Combat Teams based on their missions.
Not all Soldiers in Iraq have been equipped with RFI, but Program Executive Office Soldier, anticipate by the end of fiscal year 2004 all deployed Soldiers to Iraq will be wearing RFI.
We are doing everything we can to make that goal a reality said Charles Rash, acting Deputy of PEO Soldier. Next our objective is to finish equipping the remainder of the operational Army with RFI by the end of FY07.
RFI is a system set up by PEO. Responsibilities to the Army include testing and fielding improved equipment and gear. Since 2002, it has received a total of $1.2 billion in funding.
Thanks to the development of RFI, Soldiers no longer have to purchase or face long delays before receiving new equipment. Rash said the turn-around time has also improved, to provide Soldiers with state-of-the-art weapons, clothing and equipment before they leave for operational deployment.
Before RFI was established, Soldiers could expect a wait of up to five years to get new boots. Today, RFI has drastically reduced this wait so Solders will receive their boots in one year and ten months from when they put in the request. RFI is about making things happen a lot faster and it has been very successful with that, said Rash.
Soldiers in Iraq to Get New Equipment
its only 80 lbs?The article does not support your allegations. It DOES support divecon's assertion regarding supply and demand.
The fact that I understand the military supply system does not make me brainwashed, Mr Uneducated Civilian. It means I made it my business to understand where my beans, bullets and bandages came from, and what, if any, of that I had to take care of myself.
For instance your article mentions boots. Boots are notorganizational issue. They are individual issue; therefore, the individual, not the organization is responsible for maintenance and replacement.
As has been mentioned on several occasions and even threads posting article on it, and divecon touched on above ... you can KEEP your spiffy-ass "new" protective vest. It weighs almost 40 pounds. Stripped down to combat load I'm still carrying 80 pounds of shit and you want to stick 20 more on me?
I'd rather have my mobility, thanks, because that will save me from direct fire WAY more than a flak jacket designed to deflect only schrapnel.
But you wouldn't know about any of that because YOU haven't been there and humped that shit while someone was shooting at your ass.
If you wish to discuss brainwashing however, we could discuss what and where you get your Kool Aid because your veins run with the stuff, and what little brain you have operates on it.
Who do you REALLY think you're fooling with the crap you post? Seems the only one fooled is you. Bad enough you're a brainwashed political hack and we have to suffer your drivel in the political threads, but you also presume to tell military people how the military is?
