British Aviation at a stand still

Very early this morning, I heard that the Brits didn't share the information they were gathering until they decided to move, for fear the CIA would leak it. Good move on the Brits part.

One mistake Pres Bush made was to get the Clinton holdovers out of the CIA as soon as possible

The women who leaked the "secret prisons" was a Dem who gave money to the Kerry campaign. (and worked in the CIA)
 
Didn't take long for muslims to start bitching about Bush's "Islamic fascists" remark.



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Muslim groups criticized President Bush on Thursday for calling a foiled plot to blow up airplanes part of a "war with Islamic fascists," saying the term could inflame anti-Muslim tensions.

U.S. officials have said the plot, thwarted by Britain, to blow up several aircraft over the Atlantic bore many of the hallmarks of al Qaeda.

"We believe this is an ill-advised term and we believe that it is counterproductive to associate Islam or Muslims with fascism," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations advocacy group.

"We ought to take advantage of these incidents to make sure that we do not start a religious war against Islam and Muslims," he told a news conference in Washington.

"We urge him (Bush) and we urge other public officials to restrain themselves."

Awad said U.S. officials should take the lead from their British counterparts who steered clear of using what he considered inflammatory terms when they announced the arrest of more than 20 suspects in the reported plot.

Hours after the news broke, Bush said it was "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060810/us_nm/security_usa_muslims_dc

Yea, its Bush's choice of words thats going to inflame anti-islamic sentiment, not the fact that Muslims are trying to blow innocent people up. :duh3:
 
An actual post on demo/undee

"Yeah...it's sad, but my first reaction is "it's a sham"

I mean...they could have legitimate concerns for my wife's legitimate safety (she's taking off out of Hartsfield-Jackson literally as we speak), but my gut reaction is that it's all a PR attempt to prop up the chimp's numbers."


These people are the morons who hate. They are paranoid,delusional, and frankly scary.

I heard a guy call in to a radio show today, arguing that Bush made it all up because Lieberman lost. :cuckoo:

We need to make people pass sanity and intelligence tests before allowing them to vote.
 
Didn't take long for muslims to start bitching about Bush's "Islamic fascists" remark.





http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060810/us_nm/security_usa_muslims_dc

Yea, its Bush's choice of words thats going to inflame anti-islamic sentiment, not the fact that Muslims are trying to blow innocent people up. :duh3:

Big time! They are readying to launch the lawsuits. I said it earlier, I thought it weak. He should have left off that they want to kill 'freedom loving...' and instead have said, 'they wish to kill or subjugate all non-Islamics/infidels:

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-USA-MUSLIMS.xml&src=rss

US Muslims bristle at Bush term "Islamic fascists"
Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:07 PM ET

By Amanda Beck

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Muslim groups criticized President George W. Bush on Thursday for calling a foiled plot to blow up airplanes part of a "war with Islamic fascists," saying the term could inflame anti-Muslim tensions.

U.S. officials have said the plot, thwarted by Britain, to blow up several aircraft over the Atlantic bore many of the hallmarks of al Qaeda.

"We believe this is an ill-advised term and we believe that it is counter-productive to associate Islam or Muslims with fascism," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations advocacy group.

"We ought to take advantage of these incidents to make sure that we do not start a religious war against Islam and Muslims," he told a news conference in Washington.

"We urge him (Bush) and we urge other public officials to restrain themselves."

Awad said U.S. officials should take the lead from their British counterparts who had steered clear of using what he considered inflammatory terms when they announced the arrest of more than 20 suspects in the reported plot.

Hours after the news broke, Bush said it was "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation."

Bush and other administration officials have used variations of the term "Islamo-fascism" on several occasions in the past to describe militant groups including al Qaeda, its allies in Iraq and Hizbollah in Lebanon.

Many American Muslims, who say they have felt singled out for discrimination since the September 11 attacks, reject the term and say it unfairly links their faith to notions of dictatorship, oppression and racism.

"The problem with the phrase is it attaches the religion of Islam to tyranny and fascism, rather than isolating the threat to a specific group of individuals," said Edina Lekovic, spokeswoman for the Muslim Public Affairs Council in Los Angeles.

She said the terms cast suspicions on all Muslims, even the vast majority who want to live in safety like other Americans.

"When the people we need most in the fight against terrorism, American Muslims, feel alienated by the president's characterization of these supposed terrorists, that does more damage than good," Lekovic said.

Bush upset many Muslims after the September 11 attacks by referring to the global war against terrorism early on as a "crusade," a term which for many Muslims connotes a Christian battle against Islam. The White House quickly stopped using the expression, expressing regrets if it had caused offense.

Mohamed Elibiary, a Texas-based Muslim activist, said he was upset by the president's latest comments because he was concerned they would stir up resentment of Muslims in America.

"We've got Osama bin Laden hijacking the religion in order to define it one way. ... We feel the president and anyone who's using these kinds of terminologies is hijacking it too from a different side," he said.

"The president's use of the language is going to ratchet up the hate meter, but I think it would have caused much more damage if he had done this after 9/11," Elibiary said, adding that tensions were not running as high as they had been in the immediate aftermath of the 2001 attacks.

Awad, of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, called on Muslims to step up security at mosques and community centers to counter any negative backlash to news of the plot.
 
This says all we ned to know about how the liberal media views the world

http://newsbusters.org/node/6901

Williams: Like Terrorists, U.S. Special Forces Willing to Go on Suicide Missions
Posted by Mark Finkelstein on August 10, 2006 - 22:01.
Brian Williams of "NBC Nightly News" surely intended to praise the heroism and selflessness of our various service people. But he employed at best an awkward, at worst an inappropriate and offensive manner of doing it.

On this evening's 7 PM ET edition of Hardball, Chris Matthews mused about the UK-born terrorists whose plot was foiled today:

"Here we have maybe 24 people who have lived in London and England and the free world for all these years that become citizens, subjects of the Crown, and, yet, after having gotten to know us, they want to kill themselves to hurt us. Isn't that an even deeper conundrum here than the chemicals being used in these attacks?"

Williams [appearing from London's Heathrow airport]: "And that, Chris, that last aspect, the willingness to take one's own life -- I always tell people there are guys on our team like that, too. They're called Army Rangers and Navy Seals and the Special Forces folks and the first responders on 9/11 who went into those buildings knowing, by the way, they weren't going to come out. So we have players like that on our team."

Video clip (57 seconds): Real (1.7 MB) or Windows Media (2 MB), plus MP3 audio (400 KB)

Wrong. Our people are highly trained to accomplish their mission in a manner that gives them the best possible chance of survival. Yes, they heroically assume great risks, knowingly putting their lives on the line. It is mistaken for Williams to suggest that their commanders are sending them on suicide missions. Moreover, their goal is to save innocent life. To compare them with terrorists - often young, confused people being exploited by cynical masters who send them to their deaths for the purpose of taking innocent lives - is wrong.
 
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Wrong. Our people are highly trained to accomplish their mission in a manner that gives them the best possible chance of survival. Yes, they heroically assume great risks, knowingly putting their lives on the line. It is mistaken for Williams to suggest that their commanders are sending them on suicide missions. Moreover, their goal is to save innocent life. To compare them with terrorists - often young, confused people being exploited by cynical masters who send them to their deaths for the purpose of taking innocent lives - is wrong.[/QUOTE]



That's the difference. We accomplish a noble mission with every effort at self preservation. The Islamists could care less about others or their own lives. In this difference I see our eventual, albeit likely very costly due to appeasers, vicxtory. We love life and they love death.
 
Thank NSA Wiretapping for Foiled Terror Plot?
Posted by Greg Sheffield on August 11, 2006 - 15:28.
Will the New York Times write stories on how eavesdropping is what alerted U.S. authorities to the terrorist airplane attack? Time magazine reported in an exclusive that the "U.S. picked up the suspects' chatter and shared it with British authorities."
The operation involved cooperation between British and American authorities.

Britain's MI-5 intelligence service and Scotland Yard had been tracking the plot for several months, but only in the past two weeks had the plotters' planning begun to crystallize, senior U.S. officials tell TIME. In the two or three days before the arrests, the cell was going operational, and authorities were pressed into action. MI5 and Scotland Yard agents tracked the plotters from the ground, while a knowledgeable American official says U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the group's communications.
The Wall Street Journal says media and Democratic opposition to the programs now looks foolish after the foiled terror plot.

The plot was foiled because a large number of people were under surveillance concerning their spending, travel and communications. Which leads us to wonder if Scotland Yard would have succeeded if the ACLU or the New York Times had first learned the details of such surveillance programs.
Will there be the same opposition to surveillance programs in the future?
Democrats and their media allies screamed bloody murder last year when it was leaked that the government was monitoring some communications outside the context of a law known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. FISA wasn't designed for, nor does it forbid, the timely exploitation of what are often anonymous phone numbers, and the calls monitored had at least one overseas connection. But Mr. Reid labeled such surveillance "illegal" and an "NSA domestic spying program." Other Democrats are still saying they will censure, or even impeach, Mr. Bush over the FISA program if they win control of Congress.
This year the attempt to paint Bush Administration policies as a clear and present danger to civil liberties continued when USA Today hyped a story on how some U.S. phone companies were keeping call logs. The obvious reason for such logs is that the government might need them to trace the communications of a captured terror suspect. And then there was the recent brouhaha when the New York Times decided news of a secret, successful and entirely legal program to monitor bank transfers between bad guys was somehow in the "public interest" to expose.

http://newsbusters.org/node/6921
 

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