Britain.."the end of the National Health Service as we know it"

[Jroc]

Health Bill spells "the end of the National Health Service as we know it"

It has often been said that a week is a long time in politics and I think this has been exemplified by the unfolding events surrounding the controversial and ever less credible Health and Social Care Bill.

It was the Labour Party that first came out and said the whole bill should be dropped. Then the health profession started telling Lansley how it was an unworkable idea. Every Royal college is, at best, highly sceptical and, at worst, deeply hostile. Now even his cabinet colleagues have joined in with the chorus of disapproval.

There are so many reasons why the Health and Social Care Bill is just a bad idea, not only for the north of England, but the entire country and anyone who relies on the NHS. But if we look at the north of England, figures from the House of Commons Library show that there are continuing health inequalities when comparing it to the south of England. Generally speaking there are more deaths due to cancer and strokes and life expectancy is usually lower too. We need a strong National Health Service to help to close some of these gaps.

I am against the bill because it will be the end of the National Health Service as we know it. Even now it is unclear exactly what this heavily amended bill will look like, but I have a number of real concerns

Health Bill spells "the end of the National Health Service as we know it" | UK news | guardian.co.uk

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Would be useful to know what the bill is actually trying to accomplish rather than bloviations from an opposition politician.

 

[California Girl]

Would be useful to know what the bill is actually trying to accomplish rather than bloviations from an opposition politician.

It's trying to save the monolith known as the NHS. But fearmongering idiots on the left - through their mouthpiece media (the Guardian) - don't like the thought of someone actually fixing the damned thing.

 

[Jroc]

LONDON (AP) — Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday waded into terrain where past British governments have foundered, promising fundamental changes to the country’s expensive and over-stressed public health care system.

Mr. Cameron said the reforms would cut red tape and improve treatment, but critics claim they will cause chaos and could lead to backdoor privatization of the much-criticized but widely popular National Health Service.

The British leader, whose Conservative Party heads the country’s coalition government, said he would save money and cut red tape by giving control over management to family practitioners rather than bureaucrats, and allow private companies, charities and social enterprises to bid for contracts within the public health service.

Making health care more efficient has proved an elusive goal for successive British governments. The previous Labor administration vowed to reduce waiting times for treatment, and succeeded — but at the cost, say critics, of wasteful bureaucracy.

In a speech outlining the government’s plans to overhaul public services, Mr. Cameron promised to get rid of “topdown, command-and-control bureaucracy and targets.” He said that with an aging population and growing demand for new medical treatments, “pretending that there is some easy option of sticking with the status quo and hoping that a little bit of extra money will smooth over the challenges is a complete fiction.”

The government is due to publish details of its reforms in a Health and Social Care Bill on Wednesday.

Socialized medicine is as much an article of faith in Britain as it is a divisive flash point in the United States.

The health service is Britain’s biggest employer, costs more than 100 billion pounds ($158 billion) a year — and is a political football, reformed and criticized by governments since it was established in 1948

Britain plans major health care reform - Washington Times

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It's trying to save the monolith known as the NHS. But fearmongering idiots on the left - through their mouthpiece media (the Guardian) - don't like the thought of someone actually fixing the damned thing.

Sounds just like the left here any time anyone brings up fixing Social Security, Medicare, public education, (insert overly expensive and inefficient government bureaucracy here)

 

[California Girl]

It's trying to save the monolith known as the NHS. But fearmongering idiots on the left - through their mouthpiece media (the Guardian) - don't like the thought of someone actually fixing the damned thing.

Sounds just like the left here any time anyone brings up fixing Social Security, Medicare, public education, (insert overly expensive and inefficient government bureaucracy here)

Basically, yea. What started off as a well meant idea has grown into a monstrosity that is a massive financial drain on the country. It is rife with theft, mismanagement, bureaucracy and general incompetence.

 

[Jroc]

It's trying to save the monolith known as the NHS. But fearmongering idiots on the left - through their mouthpiece media (the Guardian) - don't like the thought of someone actually fixing the damned thing.

Sounds just like the left here any time anyone brings up fixing Social Security, Medicare, public education, (insert overly expensive and inefficient government bureaucracy here)

Basically, yea. What started off as a well meant idea has grown into a monstrosity that is a massive financial drain on the country. It is rife with theft, mismanagement, bureaucracy and general incompetence.

Liberals usually start off Well meaning.

 

[Big Fitz]

It's trying to save the monolith known as the NHS. But fearmongering idiots on the left - through their mouthpiece media (the Guardian) - don't like the thought of someone actually fixing the damned thing.

Sounds just like the left here any time anyone brings up fixing Social Security, Medicare, public education, (insert overly expensive and inefficient government bureaucracy here)

Basically, yea. What started off as a well meant idea has grown into a monstrosity that is a massive financial drain on the country. It is rife with theft, mismanagement, bureaucracy and general incompetence.

Like all government social programs. Oh well, first step in the right direction for a healthier economically viable britain.

 

[Jroc]

Sounds just like the left here any time anyone brings up fixing Social Security, Medicare, public education, (insert overly expensive and inefficient government bureaucracy here)

Basically, yea. What started off as a well meant idea has grown into a monstrosity that is a massive financial drain on the country. It is rife with theft, mismanagement, bureaucracy and general incompetence.

Like all government social programs. Oh well, first step in the right direction for a healthier economically viable britain.

Too bad we are going in the opposite direction. Is it really about "health Care with Obama? Or control? I think the latter.

 

[PeteEU]

Would be useful to know what the bill is actually trying to accomplish rather than bloviations from an opposition politician.

It's trying to save the monolith known as the NHS. But fearmongering idiots on the left - through their mouthpiece media (the Guardian) - don't like the thought of someone actually fixing the damned thing.

There is a difference in fixing the NHS and gutting it for private companies to earn massive profit on the backs of the sick people.

When even the freaking doctors are against much of these so called reforms, then you know that it stinks.

 

[PeteEU]

It's trying to save the monolith known as the NHS. But fearmongering idiots on the left - through their mouthpiece media (the Guardian) - don't like the thought of someone actually fixing the damned thing.

Sounds just like the left here any time anyone brings up fixing Social Security, Medicare, public education, (insert overly expensive and inefficient government bureaucracy here)

Basically, yea. What started off as a well meant idea has grown into a monstrosity that is a massive financial drain on the country. It is rife with theft, mismanagement, bureaucracy and general incompetence.

You sure you not talking about the US military?

I am not saying that the NHS could not be improved, but it is de-facto privatised as it is with these silly Margaret Thatcher trust hospitals who pretty much all have failed in one way or another. But what Cameron is trying to do, is to continue down the Thatcher line and in the end make the NHS more American, which would be a disaster on an epic scale. Private healthcare only is wrong, immoral and far far more expensive...

 

[Jroc]

Sounds just like the left here any time anyone brings up fixing Social Security, Medicare, public education, (insert overly expensive and inefficient government bureaucracy here)

Basically, yea. What started off as a well meant idea has grown into a monstrosity that is a massive financial drain on the country. It is rife with theft, mismanagement, bureaucracy and general incompetence.

You sure you not talking about the US military?

I am not saying that the NHS could not be improved, but it is de-facto privatised as it is with these silly Margaret Thatcher trust hospitals who pretty much all have failed in one way or another. But what Cameron is trying to do, is to continue down the Thatcher line and in the end make the NHS more American, which would be a disaster on an epic scale. Private healthcare only is wrong, immoral and far far more expensive...

Now SPAIN may need a bailout: Credit rating could be downgraded again

Britain came a step closer to helping bail out Spain today after a key agency warned it may downgrade the financially-struggling country's credit rating.

Mounting debt, financing needs and a lack of faith in the Spanish government's ability to tackle the issues prompted Moody's Investors Service to place the country's Aa1 rating - only just downgraded from AAA in September - on review.

The euro fell subsequently fell against most major currencies amid fears that Spain will be forced to follow in the footsteps of Greece and Ireland and accept a multi-billion pound bailout from the European Union and International Monetary Fund.
But despite problems in the property and banking sectors, the Spanish government has denied it will need any financial assistance.

Economists, most recently including deputy governor at the Bank of England Charles Bean, have raised concerns over the threats sovereign-debt woes in Europe pose to the UK economy.

A weakened Eurozone could hit the UK's export trade - seen as key to a healthy economic recovery.

The threat of the ratings downgrade for Spain sent blue-chip banks lower today and dragged the FTSE 100 Index back from yesterday's two-and-a-half-year high.

More...Debt crisis threatens Spain and Belgium

Barclays was the worst hit, down 3 per cent, as investors fretted over its exposure to Spain's economy following a Moody's report warning it had put the country's rating under review.
The wider Footsie also fell into the red - down 24.1 points to 5867.2 - in a weaker performance following gains on Tuesday that sent the top tier to its highest position since June 2008.
Sentiment was not helped by less cheery economic news as figures revealed unemployment climbed to 2.5 million in the quarter to October.

Read more: Now SPAIN may need a bailout: Credit rating could be downgraded again | Mail Online

 

[Ropey]

Basically, yea. What started off as a well meant idea has grown into a monstrosity that is a massive financial drain on the country. It is rife with theft, mismanagement, bureaucracy and general incompetence.

You sure you not talking about the US military?

I am not saying that the NHS could not be improved, but it is de-facto privatised as it is with these silly Margaret Thatcher trust hospitals who pretty much all have failed in one way or another. But what Cameron is trying to do, is to continue down the Thatcher line and in the end make the NHS more American, which would be a disaster on an epic scale. Private healthcare only is wrong, immoral and far far more expensive...

Now SPAIN may need a bailout: Credit rating could be downgraded again

Britain came a step closer to helping bail out Spain today after a key agency warned it may downgrade the financially-struggling country's credit rating.

Mounting debt, financing needs and a lack of faith in the Spanish government's ability to tackle the issues prompted Moody's Investors Service to place the country's Aa1 rating - only just downgraded from AAA in September - on review.

The euro fell subsequently fell against most major currencies amid fears that Spain will be forced to follow in the footsteps of Greece and Ireland and accept a multi-billion pound bailout from the European Union and International Monetary Fund.
But despite problems in the property and banking sectors, the Spanish government has denied it will need any financial assistance.

Economists, most recently including deputy governor at the Bank of England Charles Bean, have raised concerns over the threats sovereign-debt woes in Europe pose to the UK economy.

A weakened Eurozone could hit the UK's export trade - seen as key to a healthy economic recovery.

The threat of the ratings downgrade for Spain sent blue-chip banks lower today and dragged the FTSE 100 Index back from yesterday's two-and-a-half-year high.

More...Debt crisis threatens Spain and Belgium

Barclays was the worst hit, down 3 per cent, as investors fretted over its exposure to Spain's economy following a Moody's report warning it had put the country's rating under review.
The wider Footsie also fell into the red - down 24.1 points to 5867.2 - in a weaker performance following gains on Tuesday that sent the top tier to its highest position since June 2008.
Sentiment was not helped by less cheery economic news as figures revealed unemployment climbed to 2.5 million in the quarter to October.

Read more: Now SPAIN may need a bailout: Credit rating could be downgraded again | Mail Online

Social Europe is showing the Pre WW1 and Pre WWII social deterioration, inability to feed the people will come, new alliances are being made world wide.

I certainly hope that if there has to be a war, that it be confined to the ME. It's looking a bit world wide at the moment.

 

[Jroc]

You sure you not talking about the US military?

I am not saying that the NHS could not be improved, but it is de-facto privatised as it is with these silly Margaret Thatcher trust hospitals who pretty much all have failed in one way or another. But what Cameron is trying to do, is to continue down the Thatcher line and in the end make the NHS more American, which would be a disaster on an epic scale. Private healthcare only is wrong, immoral and far far more expensive...

Now SPAIN may need a bailout: Credit rating could be downgraded again

Britain came a step closer to helping bail out Spain today after a key agency warned it may downgrade the financially-struggling country's credit rating.

Mounting debt, financing needs and a lack of faith in the Spanish government's ability to tackle the issues prompted Moody's Investors Service to place the country's Aa1 rating - only just downgraded from AAA in September - on review.

The euro fell subsequently fell against most major currencies amid fears that Spain will be forced to follow in the footsteps of Greece and Ireland and accept a multi-billion pound bailout from the European Union and International Monetary Fund.
But despite problems in the property and banking sectors, the Spanish government has denied it will need any financial assistance.

Economists, most recently including deputy governor at the Bank of England Charles Bean, have raised concerns over the threats sovereign-debt woes in Europe pose to the UK economy.

A weakened Eurozone could hit the UK's export trade - seen as key to a healthy economic recovery.

The threat of the ratings downgrade for Spain sent blue-chip banks lower today and dragged the FTSE 100 Index back from yesterday's two-and-a-half-year high.

More...Debt crisis threatens Spain and Belgium

Barclays was the worst hit, down 3 per cent, as investors fretted over its exposure to Spain's economy following a Moody's report warning it had put the country's rating under review.
The wider Footsie also fell into the red - down 24.1 points to 5867.2 - in a weaker performance following gains on Tuesday that sent the top tier to its highest position since June 2008.
Sentiment was not helped by less cheery economic news as figures revealed unemployment climbed to 2.5 million in the quarter to October.

Read more: Now SPAIN may need a bailout: Credit rating could be downgraded again | Mail Online

Social Europe is showing the Pre WW1 and Pre WWII social deterioration, inability to feed the people will come, new alliances are being made world wide.

I certainly hope that if there has to be a war, that it be confined to the ME. It's looking a bit world wide at the moment.

it 's not like spain would help out in anyway.

 

[Ropey]

Read more: Now SPAIN may need a bailout: Credit rating could be downgraded again | Mail Online

Social Europe is showing the Pre WW1 and Pre WWII social deterioration, inability to feed the people will come, new alliances are being made world wide.

I certainly hope that if there has to be a war, that it be confined to the ME. It's looking a bit world wide at the moment.

it 's not like spain would help out in anyway.

Europe has proven to fall fast and easy. Twice. Both times the West had to bail them out.

 

[Jroc]

Social Europe is showing the Pre WW1 and Pre WWII social deterioration, inability to feed the people will come, new alliances are being made world wide.

I certainly hope that if there has to be a war, that it be confined to the ME. It's looking a bit world wide at the moment.

it 's not like spain would help out in anyway.

Europe has proven to fall fast and easy. Twice. Both times the West had to bail them out.

You would know it by the why Europeans act towards America..Ungrateful bastards

 

[Ropey]

it 's not like spain would help out in anyway.

Europe has proven to fall fast and easy. Twice. Both times the West had to bail them out.

You would know it by the why Europeans act towards America..Ungrateful bastards

But not when they need the West Jroc and so far history has shown that they always end up needing the West since the West became powerful. Why?

Because Socialism is weak imo.

 

[Swagger]

it 's not like spain would help out in anyway.

Europe has proven to fall fast and easy. Twice. Both times the West had to bail them out.

You would know it by the why Europeans act towards America..Ungrateful bastards

That's far from true, and you know it. And what's all this about bailing the West out? Europe constitutes a large part of what we term the "West". In fact, I think you'll find that the western world as we know it was founded upon the lessons learnt by the ancient people that made Europe shine. These lessons were built upon and exported to all four corners of the world, by Britain. A European nation. Nor are we ungrateful for the undeniable sacrifices made by American and Commonwealth troops. Far from it, in fact. The UK only just finished repaying the Lend Lease agreement between itself and America. To the tune of roughly £1.075 billion, give or take a quid.

 

[alexa]

LONDON (AP) — Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday waded into terrain where past British governments have foundered, promising fundamental changes to the country’s expensive and over-stressed public health care system.

Mr. Cameron said the reforms would cut red tape and improve treatment, but critics claim they will cause chaos and could lead to backdoor privatization of the much-criticized but widely popular National Health Service.

The British leader, whose Conservative Party heads the country’s coalition government, said he would save money and cut red tape by giving control over management to family practitioners rather than bureaucrats, and allow private companies, charities and social enterprises to bid for contracts within the public health service.

Making health care more efficient has proved an elusive goal for successive British governments. The previous Labor administration vowed to reduce waiting times for treatment, and succeeded — but at the cost, say critics, of wasteful bureaucracy.

In a speech outlining the government’s plans to overhaul public services, Mr. Cameron promised to get rid of “topdown, command-and-control bureaucracy and targets.” He said that with an aging population and growing demand for new medical treatments, “pretending that there is some easy option of sticking with the status quo and hoping that a little bit of extra money will smooth over the challenges is a complete fiction.”

The government is due to publish details of its reforms in a Health and Social Care Bill on Wednesday.

Socialized medicine is as much an article of faith in Britain as it is a divisive flash point in the United States.

The health service is Britain’s biggest employer, costs more than 100 billion pounds ($158 billion) a year — and is a political football, reformed and criticized by governments since it was established in 1948

Britain plans major health care reform - Washington Times

It is not true that it is all of Britain. Scotland is keeping her NHS. I am not sure whether these changes are also happening in Wales and Northern Ireland but definitely it is something which will effect the people of England.

 

[Ropey]

LONDON (AP) — Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday waded into terrain where past British governments have foundered, promising fundamental changes to the country’s expensive and over-stressed public health care system.

Mr. Cameron said the reforms would cut red tape and improve treatment, but critics claim they will cause chaos and could lead to backdoor privatization of the much-criticized but widely popular National Health Service.

The British leader, whose Conservative Party heads the country’s coalition government, said he would save money and cut red tape by giving control over management to family practitioners rather than bureaucrats, and allow private companies, charities and social enterprises to bid for contracts within the public health service.

Making health care more efficient has proved an elusive goal for successive British governments. The previous Labor administration vowed to reduce waiting times for treatment, and succeeded — but at the cost, say critics, of wasteful bureaucracy.

In a speech outlining the government’s plans to overhaul public services, Mr. Cameron promised to get rid of “topdown, command-and-control bureaucracy and targets.” He said that with an aging population and growing demand for new medical treatments, “pretending that there is some easy option of sticking with the status quo and hoping that a little bit of extra money will smooth over the challenges is a complete fiction.”

The government is due to publish details of its reforms in a Health and Social Care Bill on Wednesday.

Socialized medicine is as much an article of faith in Britain as it is a divisive flash point in the United States.

The health service is Britain’s biggest employer, costs more than 100 billion pounds ($158 billion) a year — and is a political football, reformed and criticized by governments since it was established in 1948

Britain plans major health care reform - Washington Times

It is not true that it is all of Britain. Scotland is keeping her NHS. I am not sure whether these changes are also happening in Wales and Northern Ireland but definitely it is something which will effect the people of England.

It's looking like more and more of Britain is falling to these reforms though. The trend is increasing, not decreasing.