Bringing murders of Flotilla to justice

[ekrem]

You Israel supporters are getting dizzy with all that spin.

Turkey is a major contributor to UN stability and police missions.
So now we will see, if UN does also work for us or this is only a one-sided issue here, defined by the selective standards of USA-Israel.


Gaza flotilla raid: Joe Biden asks 'So what's the big deal here?'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/jun/02/joe-biden-israel-gaza-flotilla-raid

 

[skookerasbil]

Know what the biggest absurdity of this is???

Liberal public policy doesnt even exist without American Jews!!! Obama NEVER gets elected without Jewish $$...........which make up almost 1/4 of contributions to the DNC through lobbying efforts!!! Jewish support is pivitol to Democrat candidates getting elected.............yet the American left.............the MovOn.org assholes and all those who embrace them are all fcukking anti-Semites!!! They embrace the fcukking terror bad guys and are a disgrace to our country!!!

And those who reference the UN??? You're so GD naive its beyond gone!! The whole organization HATES Israel!!!

 

[CMike]

It's the terrorist attackers who should be rotting in an Israeli position.

 

[CMike]

Turkey has been islamically radicalized. No big loss.

It's greatest allies are Syria & Iran.

 

[theHawk]

Unanswered question: Who will be the investigator?
Who will conduct this investigation and how is unclear for now. And this is the most critical part of the problem. Apparently, the United States doesn’t support the idea of launching a “U.N. investigation.”
The council meetings the other day reflect that the only criticism – except that of Israel – against sending humanitarian aid to Gaza through the sea has been raised by the United States.
How should we read the UN’s decision? - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review


If the USA blockades punishment of Israel through bodies of world-community (UN), this just means, USA plays double-standards when the case is just "some f*ing Muslim Turkish deads".
That means, the interests of Turkey are not respected by USA, and USA should not expect her interests respected also.

This won't end with Israelis investigating their own criminal actions of the massacre.
It would be a farce, and is unacceptable.

How about investigating the dumbasses that planned this whole thing from the start? They set off with every intention of violating the blockade they knew Israel was inforcing.

Truth is, Turkey gambled and lost. There is nothing they can do to the Israelis. If you want to start a war over it then go right on ahead.

 

[Biggles]

It is simple really when Israel releases the captured terrorists and protesters Turkey can arrest them as they come home and determine which among them were attacking Israeli commandos with knives and metal batons. Those men are legally responsible for every death on the ship and are the ones that need to be brought to justice. 9 of them are held accountable already as they are dead. Turkey should show it is unbiased and arrest the rest and try them for their crimes.

No.
Turkey seeks support from International community, with USA being the patron of Israel, especially seeking support from USA.
If that support does not come, USA chooses side of criminals and this will shape the direction of future events.

The Israelis are not the criminals. Israel requested several times that the captains allow the ships to be screened. They refused. The terrorists on board then attacked the commandos. The commandos used non lethal force, until they were being thrown overboard, beaten, and likely to be killed. Only then did the commandos use lethal force, justifiably. Egypt also has a blockade, or doesn't your Muslim bias recognize that??

Watch and recognize the facts. Israel did no wrong.

 

[ekrem]

(...)
The Israelis are not the criminals.(...)

If this is the case, then everyone involved has to draw conclusions out of this incident and reconfigure accordingly. The only conclusion to be drawn out of this is then:
- The USA stands as a barrier in bringing justice to dead Turkish people.
- USA is not valuing Turkish deads

As I said before, if the interests of a country are not respected then no one should her interests respected also.


Meet America's new rival in the Middle East. - By Steven A. Cook | Foreign Policy

Turkey emerges as Middle East leader - CNN.com

 

[theHawk]

This whole incident and Turkey's actions prove that Islamists cannot be dealt with in a civilized manner. Turkey has always been considered the "moderate" Muslim country. But of course, there really is no such thing as "moderate" Islam. They are showing their true Islamic heart as antagonists and warmongers.

We've gone this far in pretending we could be allies with these Islamists, it is time to sever the ties.

 

[ekrem]

(...)it is time to sever the ties.

Yes, exactly-

 

[CMike]

It's time for the US to sever it's ties with the islamic radical country of Turkey.

 

[ekrem]

It's time for the US to sever it's ties with the islamic radical country of Turkey.

Obama said himself:
"Moral leadership is stronger then any weapon".

Yes, Turkey should be nuked. Because Turkey dared to block illegal Iraq invasion, is not moving to sanction Iran and points its finger to injustice in Palestine.

And the cynical thing is, you really believe USA is the one in the position to sever ties with Turkey. First, swallow the Iranian thing which you are checwing for 30 years, then you can push Turkey.

 

[CMike]

It's too bad both Israel and the US doesn't carve up some Turkey.

 

[Shogun]

It's too bad both Israel and the US doesn't carve up some Turkey.

much like it's too bad zionism isn't driven into the sea. The US isn't a tool for jews to wield like a nasal spray. If your yiddish balls have dropped then go take on turkey in israel and leave your jewish herpes in your "homeland".

 

[Nik]

It is simple really when Israel releases the captured terrorists and protesters Turkey can arrest them as they come home and determine which among them were attacking Israeli commandos with knives and metal batons. Those men are legally responsible for every death on the ship and are the ones that need to be brought to justice. 9 of them are held accountable already as they are dead. Turkey should show it is unbiased and arrest the rest and try them for their crimes.

Do explain the legal principle which justifies this.

Good luck. It doesn't actually exist.

 

[Nik]

It's too bad both Israel and the US doesn't carve up some Turkey.

Turkey is part of NATO. If Israel tries to "carve up some Turkey" as you so inelegantly put it, they will be fucked.

 

[CMike]

We shall find out.

In the meantime the US has sided with Israel in Turkey's provokation to start a fight.

And I agree that the attackers of the Israel soldiers should rot in an Israeli prison.

Obviously, Turkey still wants to escalate it, and not respect that Gaza is part of Israel and that Israel won't allow missiles to be shot from Gaza into Israel.

 

[ekrem]

State prosecutors have taken statements of Crew Members terrorized by Israel.
Justice Minister says, that according to paragraph 8 of Turkish Justice Law, crimes in International waters aboard Turkish ships are crimes within Turkish territory.
Authority of jurisprudence is in Turkey
Investigated will be Israelian soldiers and Israelian State.

Besides the investigation of State Prosecutor, the Justice Ministry will support personal charges of the Crew Members in Turkish courts and European Court of Human Rights.

Ýsrail savcýda - Hürriyet

 

[P F Tinmore]

State prosecutors have taken statements of Crew Members terrorized by Israel.
Justice Minister says, that according to paragraph 8 of Turkish Justice Law, crimes in International waters aboard Turkish ships are crimes within Turkish territory.
Authority of jurisprudence is in Turkey
Investigated will be Israelian soldiers and Israelian State.

Besides the investigation of State Prosecutor, the Justice Ministry will support personal charges of the Crew Members in Turkish courts and European Court of Human Rights.

Ýsrail savcýda - Hürriyet

Let's roll!

 

[ekrem]

(...)
Let's roll!

Forensic examination of bodies
Turkey’s Council of Forensic Medicine completed examining some of the bodies. The findings have not yet been announced. It will be a few weeks before the experts get back all the results, but initial statements from doctors confirm Yıldırım’s account of the shootings at close range.

Israel killed more than 9, threw wounded into sea, witnesses say

Turkish jurisprudence.

 

[The Rabbi]

Make no doubt about this:
From now on, Israel is on its own in this region.
More I will not say, as I would then prophecy the sure-to-follow actions against Israel by Turkey.

As opposed to?
Israel has always been on its own in the region.
Turkey is the sick man of the ME. Its government is going so far to the Islamist side that the military is almost sure to intervene and stage Coup #134 to re-establish the secular nature of the state, as Attaturk wanted.
Let's face it: This action was a provocation by some on the Turkish government. They are th eones who need to be investigated and brought to justice for causing the deaths of people on the ships.
The Israelis acted justifiably, resisting armed attacks and neutralizing those threats.