Bring 'Em Home?

[Sinatra]

Either fight to win or bring them home.

Simple.

 

[namvet]

Either fight to win or bring them home.

Simple.

damned straight. or never send them at all

 

[Dr Grump]

Either fight to win or bring them home.

Simple.

They should never have gone because they are never going to win (not in Afghanistan anyway)...

 

[Old Rocks]

The article is accurate... The men in Afghanistan are between the a rock and a hard place.

They face a determined insurgency; which has them pinned against an administration which threatens them with prison if they violate the Rules of Engagement which prevent them from firing upon the enemy that is firing upon them, until they receive permission to fire from their Chain of Command; what's more is that US air superiority is now nearly worthless; as it is now next to impossible to get air support... due to the enemy having successfully used the western media to report that US Air power is killig 'innocent' people.

The US should pull our forces from Afghanistan, until such time that either free elections remove the Leftist insurgency presently occupying American governance or failing that, other means effectively provide for same.

The fact is that US troops are being asked to do the impossible... they're trapped between a determined enemy and a duplicitous evil.

The evil is that Bush failed to do anything to reconstruct Afghanistan, and let Bin Laden go at Tora Bora.

Nice peice of sedition in the red.

 

[nodoginnafight]

From my limited understanding of the remaining objectives - I'd say bring 'em home. It's possible that someone could convince that there are some very legitimate objectives remaining that we we can achieve, then I reserve the right to change my mind.

But the "inaction" of the POTUS is certainly not a problem. There has been no "dragging of feet" just repeated increases of support. More than 100% increase in nine months and suddenly - if he doesn't act on scuttlebutt rather than waiting for the formal request and the review - he's "dragging his feet"?????
Sorry gotta call bullshit on that.

I'm coming more and more to this same realization regarding what to do with the troops. The more I learn, the more I realize we lost our chance to pursue the real prime objectives. And I have no desire to go the way the Soviets did there, or reap the unintended consequences - again - down the road.

I think if we define the mission as bringing justice to those responsible for the 9/11 attacks then there is ample reason to call that mission successful and come on home. The leadership as well as the perps are virtually all dead or MIA. And Al Qaida was shredded. Should it be our continued mission to "guarantee" that Al Qaida and like-minded groups are never able to find safe haven in Afghanistan ever again? Sounds unachievable to me but if someone can make a strong contradictory case - I'm listening.

And back to the myth of Obama "foot dragging" on this request for more troops - again, gotta call bullshit on that one.

If McChrystal desperately needed these troops six weeks ago - he would have asked for them several months before. I give him credit for knowing that 40,000 people don't magically appear under your pillow via the troop fairy.

Does he want them? sure. Does he want them asap? Is he going to make his case to get them and to get them asap? Of course. But no commander worth his salt (and I'm banking on this one being worth his salt) is gonna wait until the very last minute to ask for what he desperately needs tommorrow - If he actually did that, then I am wrong and he is NOT worth his salt.

Nope - I'm betting he knows how long it takes to mobilize and get the right people in theater. And he's well aware that formal requests and thorough review are the start of that process. And I'm betting that he knows the difference between submiting a request to NATO and submitting a request to the DoD - even if so many posters here do not.

I'll give a lot of the posters here credit for just getting sucked into because it fits in with their political leanings. They may not be trying to use the emotional tug of "the blood of our soldiers" to grind their political ax. They have just been sucked in by those who are.

 

[Shogun]

So, you're saying that the surge had a "total lack of impact on the war in Iraq"?
Is that what you are saying?

Holy shit people!....We have Obama himself posting on this MB. He goes by the name of "Shogun"
LMAO!
Seriously, pull your head out of your obviously ignorant ass!

Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.


and, in 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, 12 months, 15 months, 18 months etc... when your kind is STILL at it trying to drape yourself in a bloody flag, we will STILL be in Iraq under the same baseless circumstances.


Wanna bet? I'll bet the sum total of all my rep vs yours that we'll STILL be no where close to wrapping up Iraq despite that surge. So, when you get done wiping your pussy come take my bet.

LMAO!
That's all you got lil' man, BETTING REPS?
You're good at talking shit on a MB. Guarantee you wouldn't talk that shit to my face.
Now, I was there. I saw the direct effects of the surge. I saw it as it was before the surge, and saw the results and direct effects of the surge.
Look, you're a partisan hack. Nothing more.
You ask for solutions, all while offering up none of your own.
Why is that?
Because you're clueless.

come on, you big pussy. Let's see you do more than run your gums. SURELY you have a backbone that is not made from jelly and noodles! It's spineless pussies like you which give us situations like Afghan in the first fucking place. You wrap yourself up in a bloody flag and let your GUILT FOR SENDING THEM TO WAR taint your entire spectrum of this conflict. WHICH IS WHY we both know you are too much of a pussy to bet rep points - we BOTH know that this topic will roll up again in 6 months... and 9 months after that. And a year later. DESPITE some silly fucking surge whose sole accomplishment was dead soldiers.


and yes, I would love to say it to your face, motherfucker. You wannabe bad asses might intimidate the kids over at disney dot com but I assure you that yours won't be the first ass that gets whipped despite a tryst sucking dick, er, pealing potatoes in the military.

Maybe you should have stopped sucking on ole mushroom head and got a better look at the product of the surge, pink ranger. It no more solved the Iraq war than your kind was busy spotting mobile chem labs in 03.

 

[Shogun]

ROFL...


Now understand what the inhouse advocate of ADULT/CHILD SEX has said here... Advance any solution ya like, except that of the opposition...

It should be noted that this idiot has yet to offer up a viable solution; and this despite her demands that such needs to be done to be considered, BY HER, as a viable participant in the debate.

LOL... LEFTISTS.

Is SHOGUN one of those candyass Polanski sympathizers?
Wouldn't surprise me a bit!

Oh she's a major advocatmong other of faggery among other feminizing proclivities.

She outed herself, to me; when she was responding to a post wherein the OP asserted that homosexuality is directly tied to pedophilia.

Having been through this argument 10,000 times I set her up to inform the board of all of the cultures which prospered on their having normalized homosexuality; where she bit hard sourced a book wherein the author spoke specifically to the Samurai Culture's pedophilic essence; she of course preferred to speak to the overt pursuit of pre-pubecsent or barely post pubescent boys for sexual relations by that perverse culture, as 'mentoring'... but it didn't pass for such by myself or any other non-idiot.

She's a pencil-neck little cock polisher, whose one malt liquor short of having to register with the local cops as a pedophile... It's only a matter of time before she departs the barely legal to the illegal to satisfy her twisted 'needs' and that'll be that for a while.

yea yea yea... WAIT UNTIL I LOG OFF AGAIN TO RESPOND NEXT TIME!






you fucking bitchtit pansy.. Facts trump your skinned lil knee, lil boy. post a thread and I'll put you in your place one more time. That is, if your labia minora are not hanging to your knees and quaking with fear like meat icicles shivering....

 

[Shogun]

So, you're saying that the surge had a "total lack of impact on the war in Iraq"?
Is that what you are saying?

Holy shit people!....We have Obama himself posting on this MB. He goes by the name of "Shogun"
LMAO!
Seriously, pull your head out of your obviously ignorant ass!

Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying.


and, in 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, 12 months, 15 months, 18 months etc... when your kind is STILL at it trying to drape yourself in a bloody flag, we will STILL be in Iraq under the same baseless circumstances.


Wanna bet? I'll bet the sum total of all my rep vs yours that we'll STILL be no where close to wrapping up Iraq despite that surge. So, when you get done wiping your pussy come take my bet.

Pssst... there are precisely ZERO combat operations being lead by US troops in Iraq... and haven't been ANY since LONG BEFORE BUSH LEFT OFFICE.

The US is presently in a supporting role in Iraq... TRAINING Iraqi military and police forces.

So, as it stands, the US has wrapped up combat operations in Iraq has had done so, for nearly two years now.

The chances that Al qaeda is going to roll over the Iraqi government stand at roughly the same odds that Britain is going to roll over the US; which is to say the odds are now a mathematical certainty that it will not and that it cannot; which is to say that the US mission in Iraq is an unqualified success... 100%.

Hussein Socialist government (Iraqi, not US) is long gone...

Iraq is governed by a freely elected government which operates on a constitution which that government created...

Iraq now has a sustainable government; a sustainable military, a sound law enforcement infrastructure... and the US is not engaged in combat operations anywhere in Iraq.

Sweet fail CHILD FUCKER!

every dead soldier whose life was forfeit THIS YEAR ALONE would probably murder you in your sleep for telling jokes like that. Iraq sure is SUSTAINABLE! Just LOOK at all the American military that DONT NEED TO BE THERE!






you net-rambos fucking crack me up with all the uber-macho "making up for a tiny penis" projections which I guarenfuckintee wont be any more true in 6 months than they are not right now.

 

[Shogun]

S/he cannot focus on the actual topic and the desperation to change it from the ugliness that it apparently is, is pathetic.

Hate to break it to ya, hook, but there are more facets to this gem than looking for any way to blame Obama. Again, I DARE you to post a solution outside of regurgitating the standard issue gop talking points issued this deep into a democratic presidency. I bet you can't.

ROFL...


Now understand what the inhouse advocate of ADULT/CHILD SEX has said here... Advance any solution ya like, except that of the opposition...

It should be noted that this idiot has yet to offer up a viable solution; and this despite her demands that such needs to be done to be considered, BY HER, as a viable participant in the debate.

LOL... LEFTISTS.

I've posted my solution to the iraq war already. Go dig it up. that is, if you can keep your lips from wrapping around a bratwurst like a hooker on date night, you fucking farce.

 

[Sinatra]

Fight to win or bring them home.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The article is accurate... The men in Afghanistan are between the a rock and a hard place.

They face a determined insurgency; which has them pinned against an administration which threatens them with prison if they violate the Rules of Engagement which prevent them from firing upon the enemy that is firing upon them, until they receive permission to fire from their Chain of Command; what's more is that US air superiority is now nearly worthless; as it is now next to impossible to get air support... due to the enemy having successfully used the western media to report that US Air power is killig 'innocent' people.

The US should pull our forces from Afghanistan, until such time that either free elections remove the Leftist insurgency presently occupying American governance or failing that, other means effectively provide for same.

The fact is that US troops are being asked to do the impossible... they're trapped between a determined enemy and a duplicitous evil.

ROFLMNAO...

OldRocks, would have LOVED to have responded to this post with an intellectually sound, logically valid, well reasoned argument; but sadly, for her... the best she could do was to advance a flaccid Neg-rep, born of the impotence which fosters her opinion that 'Afghanistan is a war that was lost years ago, by Bush...'

Delusion on parade friends; and it's the best rationalization that the ideological left can produce...

The cool part is that they're no longer able to muster the courage to post such argument in public; and relegate such to the the misuse of the Rep' system.

Now... I wouldn't encourage anyone to Neg-Rep Old Rocks, but if you find that her actions in negging this post is inapproriate... it is perfectly appropriate to demonstrate such.

Here's a link to her posts... those who would like to Neg-rep her can use it to find her and process such immediately.

US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum - Search Results

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Hate to break it to ya, hook, but there are more facets to this gem than looking for any way to blame Obama. Again, I DARE you to post a solution outside of regurgitating the standard issue gop talking points issued this deep into a democratic presidency. I bet you can't.

ROFL...


Now understand what the inhouse advocate of ADULT/CHILD SEX has said here... Advance any solution ya like, except that of the opposition...

It should be noted that this idiot has yet to offer up a viable solution; and this despite her demands that such needs to be done to be considered, BY HER, as a viable participant in the debate.

LOL... LEFTISTS.

I've posted my solution to the iraq war already. Go dig it up. that is, if you can keep your lips from wrapping around a bratwurst like a hooker on date night, you fucking farce.

ROFLMNAO...

Now that's just sad...