Bring Back the Draft?

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    "General Stanley A. McChrystal seems to think it's only fair:

    "'I think we ought to have a draft. I think if a nation goes to war, it shouldn’t be solely be represented by a professional force, because it gets to be unrepresentative of the population,' McChrystal said at a late-night event June 29 at the 2012 Aspen Ideas Festival. 'I think if a nation goes to war, every town, every city needs to be at risk. You make that decision and everybody has skin in the game.'”

    There seems to be at least one prominent leftie who thinks its worth considering:

    "It’s certainly true that the volunteer army is a mess. Suicides are surging among the troops. According to AP, the 154 suicides for active duty troops in the first 155 days of the year far outdistance the US forces killed in Afghanistan."

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    Would a draft army discourage the next commander-in-chief from going to war?
     
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    McChrystal brings up good points for discussion. I believe the draft should be used to raise an army when numbers beyond current numbers are needed. The end-strength numbers are set by the congress and today we have people lined up for miles trying to join all branches in both officer and enlisted programs.

    During the height of Iraq and A'stan, troops were doing back-tp-back tours, three and four or more tours, and the equipment was getting worn and torn as well. The stressors from combat operations are starting to lessen but the country will be caring for broken limbs and minds for many years. The last study I saw showed that half the personnel who committed suicide in the Army had not even seen combat. Would drafted Soldiers commit suicide at a lesser rate?
     
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    No draftees would not be less likely to commit suicide and the left does not want the draft to "help" the military. They believe a draft will prevent us from waging war when needed and provide a means to mount Viet Nam era protests if we do.

    We have zero need for a draft. What we need is for an increase in the size of the military. We need about 60 more Army combat Brigades and a larger Navy and Airforce. We need more ships and modern aircraft. And all of that is doable with out a draft.

    Daftees would lower the moral and fighting ability of the military. It would encourage a leftist Congress to lower pay and allowances. It would wreck what we have now.

    Assuming no end strength increases it would also necessitate a round of forced removals of current career military damaging the Officer and NCO corps which is an even worse event.
     
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    Of course you guys don't like the Draft. Because then you have to EXPLAIN the wars you wanna' wage and convince people to sign up.

    "We want to replace the Egyptian Government with the Muslim Brotherhood. Wanna help?"

    Uh, no thanks.
     
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    The draft is a terrible idea.

    I served with a bunch of morans that signed up on their own, some wanted to be in, others couldn't wait to get out.

    No way in hell would a quality military thrive with draftees.
     
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    I'm not sure what the suicide numbers were during Vietnam.
    I'm pretty sure the fragging numbers were higher in those days:

    "Such was the military-cultural context for calls for the draft: huge ground forces stocked with draftees. What we have now is precisely the opposite &#8211; robot/drone wars, with no need for suicidal soldiers or politically awkward draftee casualties. The money all goes to Lockheed and the other big aerospace companies.

    "Remember there&#8217;s a good reason why they abolished the conscript army. It mutinied in Vietnam and thus was a prime factor in America&#8217;s defeat.

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    You are either stupid or a liar, or perhaps you can provide for us evidence that any Mutiny occurred by the military during the Vietnam war.
     
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    Can we afford to spend more than one-half of every tax dollar on "shock and awe?"

    "The military is the nation's largest and most firmly entrenched entitlement program, one that takes half of every tax dollar. Even if 'national security' is considered our No. 1 priority (a dubious choice when the real unemployment rate is over 16 percent), estimates are that the military budget could be cut in half or more and we would still have the most powerful military machine in the world.

    "Our enemies (if any) are now 'terrorists,' not countries; and what is needed to contain them (if anything) is local policing, not global warfare. Much of our military hardware is just good for 'shock and awe,' not needed for any 'real and present danger.'"

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    The claim the military costs 50 percent has been debunked over and over. But you keep proving how stupid you are by claiming otherwise.
     
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    What about converting half of the military/industrial complex to authentic nation building?

    "Military Conversion

    "Fortunately, there is a way to solve these problems without maintaining a perpetual state of war: keep the jobs, but convert them to civilian use. Military conversion is a well thought out program that could provide real economic stimulus and national security for people here and abroad. Existing military bases, laboratories and production facilities can be converted to civilian uses."

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