BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, Israel is trying to steal all of Palestine and get rid of the Palestinians while the Palestinians are trying to defend themselves. There is no contest.

Palestinians are not trying to defend themselves -- as they are not under attack.

What they are trying to do is gain sovereign control of territory over which they have no sovereignty and have never had any sovereignty, based on the idea that the territory is "theirs" and they have sole rights to self-determination there.

The Palestinians are under attack every day.

Not so. Those living peaceful lives are living peaceful lives.

Palestinians have been attacked in their own villages since before 1948 and those attacks continue today. Who are they attacking while sitting at home?

Area was a battleground of wwi................both sides evacuated the area of concern...............it was the end of the Ottoman Empire.........Turkey LOST........

None of these countries EVEN EXISTED UNTIL AFTER WWI.

Cool music.

 

[eagle1462010]

Palestinians are not trying to defend themselves -- as they are not under attack.

What they are trying to do is gain sovereign control of territory over which they have no sovereignty and have never had any sovereignty, based on the idea that the territory is "theirs" and they have sole rights to self-determination there.

The Palestinians are under attack every day.

Not so. Those living peaceful lives are living peaceful lives.

Palestinians have been attacked in their own villages since before 1948 and those attacks continue today. Who are they attacking while sitting at home?

Area was a battleground of wwi................both sides evacuated the area of concern...............it was the end of the Ottoman Empire.........Turkey LOST........

None of these countries EVEN EXISTED UNTIL AFTER WWI.

Cool music.

Absolutely....................

 

[harmonica]

gee--the Palestinians have and continue to attack/murder/etc Israel and innocent Israeli civilians
and you want Israel to treat the Pals like friends??!!??

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[Slyhunter]

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

To be citizens there have to be a government to be citizens of. Since there was no Government of Palestine there could be no citizens. Now having wild Indians, Mongolians, Tribesman, or whatever they want to call themselves, does not equate to being citizens of a given area. The old, and obsolete, die and get out of the way of more civilized societies so the civilized societies can thrive.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

To be citizens there have to be a government to be citizens of. Since there was no Government of Palestine there could be no citizens. Now having wild Indians, Mongolians, Tribesman, or whatever they want to call themselves, does not equate to being citizens of a given area. The old, and obsolete, die and get out of the way of more civilized societies so the civilized societies can thrive.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

 

[Hollie]

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

To be citizens there have to be a government to be citizens of. Since there was no Government of Palestine there could be no citizens. Now having wild Indians, Mongolians, Tribesman, or whatever they want to call themselves, does not equate to being citizens of a given area. The old, and obsolete, die and get out of the way of more civilized societies so the civilized societies can thrive.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Wtong thread, Chuckles. That is the same debunked cut and paste you dump into most threads.

You do realize there is a thread specifically dedicated to your whining, right?

 

[Slyhunter]

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

To be citizens there have to be a government to be citizens of. Since there was no Government of Palestine there could be no citizens. Now having wild Indians, Mongolians, Tribesman, or whatever they want to call themselves, does not equate to being citizens of a given area. The old, and obsolete, die and get out of the way of more civilized societies so the civilized societies can thrive.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

Sorry doesn't work that way.
To be a country, you have to own it, to own it you need an army and a coin.

 

[Shusha]

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

To be citizens there have to be a government to be citizens of. Since there was no Government of Palestine there could be no citizens. Now having wild Indians, Mongolians, Tribesman, or whatever they want to call themselves, does not equate to being citizens of a given area. The old, and obsolete, die and get out of the way of more civilized societies so the civilized societies can thrive.

For what its worth, I think Tinmore is right about this. All of the people normally resident in the territory as well as all of the immigrating Jewish people SHOULD have become citizens of Palestine (Jewish National Home, now called Israel).

What he conveniently leaves out is the reason why they didn't -- Arab hostility. A civil war broke out between the Jewish citizens and the Arab citizens, followed immediately by an illegal attack by foreign States against the sovereignty of Palestine (Israel).

 

[Shusha]

Again not true. The Ottoman Empire eliminated the dhimmi status 50 years before its demise.

Its easily apparent that the concept of dhimmi status, particularly for Jews, is alive and well in much of the Arab world. Not the least evidence is the utter rejection of the Jewish people to the same rights to self-determination as all other peoples. The rejection of Jewish history. The rejection of Jewish prayer and worship at Jewish holy sites. Etc, etc, etc.

The concept is the exclusion of the Jewish people (and others) from the rights enjoyed by the Muslim people. This is still a widely held belief in Arab "Palestine".

 

[RoccoR]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

For more than a century it has been understood that it is the right of "ALL" people to determine their own future. That future includes the political status and independence.

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians and the Jewish immigrants where all granted citizenship under the same authority.

The territory was not sovereign to either group (Arab or Jewish); but former Ottoman Territory. Renounced by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic - the treaty stipulated that the future of these territories to be settled by the parties concerned. While many believe that by virtue of cultural/ethnic tenure to the territory, the Arab Palestinians had some special privileged to the land; and the subjugation and control over the Jewish Minority (Oppression of the Minority).

Almost immediately, the territory east of the Jordan River became dedicated to the Hashemites [in the blood relation to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)] as an Emirate (semi-autonomous).

There is no question that the Rights to Sovereignty and Independence. But the Rights of the Arab do not take precedence over the rights of the Jewish People who's immigration was predicated on the 1920 determination by the Allied Powers, having agreed, should move forward with the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home → "for the Jewish people."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

For more than a century it has been understood that it is the right of "ALL" people to determine their own future. That future includes the political status and independence.

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians and the Jewish immigrants where all granted citizenship under the same authority.

The territory was not sovereign to either group (Arab or Jewish); but former Ottoman Territory. Renounced by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic - the treaty stipulated that the future of these territories to be settled by the parties concerned. While many believe that by virtue of cultural/ethnic tenure to the territory, the Arab Palestinians had some special privileged to the land; and the subjugation and control over the Jewish Minority (Oppression of the Minority).

Almost immediately, the territory east of the Jordan River became dedicated to the Hashemites [in the blood relation to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)] as an Emirate (semi-autonomous).

There is no question that the Rights to Sovereignty and Independence. But the Rights of the Arab do not take precedence over the rights of the Jewish People who's immigration was predicated on the 1920 determination by the Allied Powers, having agreed, should move forward with the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home → "for the Jewish people."

Most Respectfully,
R

You are forgetting that the Immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun against the wishes of the people. This was a violation of the Palestinian's right to self determination without external interference.

 

[Shusha]

This was a violation of the Palestinian's right to self determination without external interference.

The Jewish people ARE "Palestinians" and have just as much right to self-determination as the Arab Palestinians do. Without external interference -- you know, like foreign Arab armies. Jordanian waqfs. Stuff like that.

 

[Hollie]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

For more than a century it has been understood that it is the right of "ALL" people to determine their own future. That future includes the political status and independence.

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians and the Jewish immigrants where all granted citizenship under the same authority.

The territory was not sovereign to either group (Arab or Jewish); but former Ottoman Territory. Renounced by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic - the treaty stipulated that the future of these territories to be settled by the parties concerned. While many believe that by virtue of cultural/ethnic tenure to the territory, the Arab Palestinians had some special privileged to the land; and the subjugation and control over the Jewish Minority (Oppression of the Minority).

Almost immediately, the territory east of the Jordan River became dedicated to the Hashemites [in the blood relation to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)] as an Emirate (semi-autonomous).

There is no question that the Rights to Sovereignty and Independence. But the Rights of the Arab do not take precedence over the rights of the Jewish People who's immigration was predicated on the 1920 determination by the Allied Powers, having agreed, should move forward with the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home → "for the Jewish people."

Most Respectfully,
R

You are forgetting that the Immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun against the wishes of the people. This was a violation of the Palestinian's right to self determination without external interference.

You are not understanding that the Arabs-Moslems never even managed to take preliminary steps toward the most basic elements of self-determination and sovereignty.

I’m seeing your endless accusations aimed at Jews to explain every selfinflicted error, pratfall and bad decision made by Arabs-Moslems.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

For more than a century it has been understood that it is the right of "ALL" people to determine their own future. That future includes the political status and independence.

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians and the Jewish immigrants where all granted citizenship under the same authority.

The territory was not sovereign to either group (Arab or Jewish); but former Ottoman Territory. Renounced by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic - the treaty stipulated that the future of these territories to be settled by the parties concerned. While many believe that by virtue of cultural/ethnic tenure to the territory, the Arab Palestinians had some special privileged to the land; and the subjugation and control over the Jewish Minority (Oppression of the Minority).

Almost immediately, the territory east of the Jordan River became dedicated to the Hashemites [in the blood relation to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)] as an Emirate (semi-autonomous).

There is no question that the Rights to Sovereignty and Independence. But the Rights of the Arab do not take precedence over the rights of the Jewish People who's immigration was predicated on the 1920 determination by the Allied Powers, having agreed, should move forward with the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home → "for the Jewish people."

Most Respectfully,
R

You are forgetting that the Immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun against the wishes of the people. This was a violation of the Palestinian's right to self determination without external interference.

You are not understanding that the Arabs-Moslems never even managed to take preliminary steps toward the most basic elements of self-determination and sovereignty.

I’m seeing your endless accusations aimed at Jews to explain every selfinflicted error, pratfall and bad decision made by Arabs-Moslems.

Not true. Every attempt the Palestinians made toward self determination was crushed by Britain's military.

 

[Hollie]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

For more than a century it has been understood that it is the right of "ALL" people to determine their own future. That future includes the political status and independence.

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians and the Jewish immigrants where all granted citizenship under the same authority.

The territory was not sovereign to either group (Arab or Jewish); but former Ottoman Territory. Renounced by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic - the treaty stipulated that the future of these territories to be settled by the parties concerned. While many believe that by virtue of cultural/ethnic tenure to the territory, the Arab Palestinians had some special privileged to the land; and the subjugation and control over the Jewish Minority (Oppression of the Minority).

Almost immediately, the territory east of the Jordan River became dedicated to the Hashemites [in the blood relation to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)] as an Emirate (semi-autonomous).

There is no question that the Rights to Sovereignty and Independence. But the Rights of the Arab do not take precedence over the rights of the Jewish People who's immigration was predicated on the 1920 determination by the Allied Powers, having agreed, should move forward with the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home → "for the Jewish people."

Most Respectfully,
R

You are forgetting that the Immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun against the wishes of the people. This was a violation of the Palestinian's right to self determination without external interference.

You are not understanding that the Arabs-Moslems never even managed to take preliminary steps toward the most basic elements of self-determination and sovereignty.

I’m seeing your endless accusations aimed at Jews to explain every selfinflicted error, pratfall and bad decision made by Arabs-Moslems.

Not true. Every attempt the Palestinians made toward self determination was crushed by Britain's military.

Nonsense. Yet again, you retreat to conspiracy theory and cheap excuses for the failure of Arabs-Moslems to make meaningful strides toward independence and self-gevernance.

 

[theliq]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

For more than a century it has been understood that it is the right of "ALL" people to determine their own future. That future includes the political status and independence.

There is no reason for the Arab Palestinian to suggest that they belong to a particular regional class of people that is superior to the Jewish People, and that greater international community should grant dominate, control, and allow the Arab Palestinian to subjugate the Jewish People.

The Palestinians were citizens of Palestine. That gave them the same rights as any of the citizens of their countries anyplace.

The native Jews became citizens also without distinction.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians and the Jewish immigrants where all granted citizenship under the same authority.

The territory was not sovereign to either group (Arab or Jewish); but former Ottoman Territory. Renounced by the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic - the treaty stipulated that the future of these territories to be settled by the parties concerned. While many believe that by virtue of cultural/ethnic tenure to the territory, the Arab Palestinians had some special privileged to the land; and the subjugation and control over the Jewish Minority (Oppression of the Minority).

Almost immediately, the territory east of the Jordan River became dedicated to the Hashemites [in the blood relation to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)] as an Emirate (semi-autonomous).

There is no question that the Rights to Sovereignty and Independence. But the Rights of the Arab do not take precedence over the rights of the Jewish People who's immigration was predicated on the 1920 determination by the Allied Powers, having agreed, should move forward with the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home → "for the Jewish people."

Most Respectfully,
R

But NOT FOR ILLEGAL ZIONIST TRASH "R" you ease the Illegals in as if they have rights...they were all Synthetics who adhered to the Zionist Cult.....Not Real Jews at all......Israel is Full of NON-JEWS who have NO right to be there..st

 

[RoccoR]

BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, I think that your three points must be reviewed in the proper light.

You are forgetting that the Immigration policy was imposed on Palestine at the point of a gun against the wishes of the people.

(COMMENT)

✪ Turkey renounced all rights, title and sovereignty to the territories we discuss; with the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned. It was territory that transitioned from the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic to the complete administration of the Allied Power. The Allied Powers were responsible for all liabilities, the establishment of an identity system/passports, banking rules, public utility and transport systems, and election protocols. Not only did the Arab Palestinians not take responsibility for any of this critical institutions; but refused to join in the establishment of self-governing institutions.

✪ Immigration Policy was established by the Allied Power having been assigned the Mandate; which handled the functions of the Government because the Arab Palestinians declined to participate three time by 1923.

This was a violation of the Palestinian's right to self-determination without external interference.

(COMMENT)

✪ The words "external interference" are not really found in the UN Charter; but are stated implied restriction deduced from the Charter by the Declaration of Principles (DOP) of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (alla 1970). While it is quite an open concern today in the 21st Century, it was not of critical importance in the era of the Mandate for Palestine. You challenge the entire path of the complaint when you try and use mix 21st Century Political Considerations and Diplomatic Concerns with early 20th Century with 1648 Westphalia Treaty rules.

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There is really very little in the direct denial of Arab Palestinian Self-Determination.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: BREAKING: The UN concludes that Israel has established an APARTHEID REGIME...
※→ theliq, et al,

I'm not sure I understand what this means.

But NOT FOR ILLEGAL ZIONIST TRASH "R" you ease the Illegals in as if they have rights...they were all Synthetics who adhered to the Zionist Cult.....Not Real Jews at all......Israel is Full of NON-JEWS who have NO right to be there..st

(COMMENT)

[Article 2(7)] Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter.

Israel has the right to administer it laws; and immigration policy.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not only did the Arab Palestinians not take responsibility for any of this critical institutions; but refused to join in the establishment of self-governing institutions.

The Palestinians were required to sign onto the settler colonial project before they were allowed to participate.