BREAKING!! Michael Mann.....climate criminal?

[CrusaderFrank]

Mann: "Tree rings? No I said Three Rings. The Secret to Global Warming is in the Three Rings"

 

[SSDD]

Refute Old Rocks reference.

Research on global warming is FILLLED with hockey stick graphs because that IS what global temperature has done.

The claim that the whole thing pivots on the magnitude of the MWP is pure bullshit. If you want to dispute Mann, find some quality temperature data that doesn't show a precipitous rise in the 20th century.

Literally hundreds of papers refute mann's phony claims and shoddy pseudoscience....here is just a sample.

 

[Old Rocks]

And the usual flap-yap unreferanced and unlinked idiocy goes on.

Earth's Temp is Rising Fast | Climate Weather | LiveScience

However, a string of subsequent studies by a number of scientific groups from around the world have all yielded essentially the same result. Most recently, a paper published in the journal Nature Geoscience this week — co-authored by 78 experts from 60 scientific institutions from around the world — found yet another hockey stick. Their temperature reconstruction shows a slow slide into a future ice age ending abruptly with a sharp rise in temperatures in the 19th and 20th centuries. Recent global surface temperatures are probably the warmest in the past 1,400 years.

The study is the product of an international collaboration by the PAGES (Past Global Changes) scientific network, which supports research aimed at understanding the Earth's past environment in order to make predictions for the future. In 2006, scientists in the PAGES network decided to organize an initiative to reconstruct the climate of the last 2,000 years, which they called The PAGES 2k Network.

 

[Old Rocks]

The later studies conducted by credible scientists, and published in peer reviewed journals have all supported the Mann Graph.

Climate myths: The 'hockey stick' graph has been proven wrong - environment - 16 May 2007 - New Scientist

The problems

Climate scientists, however, are only too aware of the problems (see Climate myths: It was warmer during the Medieval period), and the uncertainties were both highlighted by Mann's original paper and by others at the time it was published.

Update: as suggested by the academy in its 2006 report, Michael Mann and his colleagues have reconstructed northern hemisphere temperatures for the past 2000 years using a broader set of proxies than was available for the original study and updated measurements from the recent past.

The new reconstruction has been generated using two statistical methods, both different to that used in the original study. Like other temperature reconstructions done since 2001 (see graph), it shows greater variability than the original hockey stick. Yet again, though, the key conclusion is the same: it's hotter now than it has been for at least 1000 years.

 

[mamooth]

Things can get confusing because there are two libel cases. Mann vs. Ball in Canada, and Mann vs. NR/CEI/Steyn in the USA. Steyn has made his answer and counterclaim.

http://www.steynonline.com/documents/6109.pdf

This part of Steyn's motion made me laugh.
---
111.
Denies the allegations in Paragraph One-Hundred-And-
Eleven of the Amended Complaint, and feels Plaintiff is
going round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a
wheel, like the circles that you find in the tree-rings of
your mind.
---

Unfortunately for Steyn, judges tend to view joke motions not in a favorable light. Steyn is representing himself, and he who represents himself has a fool for a client. For example, a lawyer would have told Steyn not to do this:

---
25.
Denies the allegations in Paragraph Twenty-Five of the
Amended Complaint, except admits that there was an
investigation by former FBI Director Freeh concluding that
Penn State and its highest officers had helped cover up the
serial child rape perpetrated by Dr Mann’s colleague Jerry
Sandusky.
---

When one of the reasons you're in trouble is for associating Mann with Sandusky, deliberately doing it again in your motion is not such a hot idea.

 

[flacaltenn]

Refute Old Rocks reference.

Research on global warming is FILLLED with hockey stick graphs because that IS what global temperature has done.

The claim that the whole thing pivots on the magnitude of the MWP is pure bullshit. If you want to dispute Mann, find some quality temperature data that doesn't show a precipitous rise in the 20th century.

References don't get much more higher quality than this one..

New Temperature Reconstruction from Indo-Pacific Warm Pool : Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

A new 2,000-year-long reconstruction of sea surface temperatures (SST) from the Indo-Pacific warm pool (IPWP) suggests that temperatures in the region may have been as warm during the Medieval Warm Period as they are today.

The IPWP is the largest body of warm water in the world, and, as a result, it is the largest source of heat and moisture to the global atmosphere, and an important component of the planet’s climate. Climate models suggest that global mean temperatures are particularly sensitive to sea surface temperatures in the IPWP. Understanding the past history of the region is of great importance for placing current warming trends in a global context.

The study is published in the journal Nature.

Temperature reconstructions suggest that the Northern Hemisphere may have been slightly cooler (by about 0.5 degrees Celsius) during the 'Medieval Warm Period' (~AD 800-1300) than during the late-20th century. However, these temperature reconstructions are based on, in large part, data compiled from high latitude or high altitude terrestrial proxy records, such as tree rings and ice cores, from the Northern Hemisphere (NH). Little pre-historical temperature data from tropical regions like the IPWP has been incorporated into these analyses, and the global extent of warm temperatures during this interval is unclear. As a result, conclusions regarding past global temperatures still have some uncertainties.

Oppo comments, “Although there are significant uncertainties with our own reconstruction, our work raises the idea that perhaps even the Northern Hemisphere temperature reconstructions need to be looked at more closely.”


Oppo cautions that the reconstruction contains some uncertainties. Information from three different cores was compiled in order to reconstruct a 2,000-year-long record. In addition sediment data have an inherent uncertainty associated with accurately dating samples


New Temperature Reconstruction from Indo-Pacific Warm Pool : Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Water temperature during the late Medieval Warm Period, between about A.D. 1000 to 1250, was within error of modern annual sea surface temperatures. (Oppo, Rosenthal, Linsley; 2009)

Do ya get it YET?? WE (the ragtag skeptical army) are not the ONLY FOLKS beating up on Hockey Sticks and Mann's selective editing of the world-wide proxy data.. It's there in this paper -- CLEAR AS DAY...

 

[Abraham3]

So F-ing WHAT? The MWP was not caused by human GHG emissions. The MWP's temperature did not rise 1C in 100 years.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And the usual flap-yap unreferanced and unlinked idiocy goes on.

Earth's Temp is Rising Fast | Climate Weather | LiveScience

However, a string of subsequent studies by a number of scientific groups from around the world have all yielded essentially the same result. Most recently, a paper published in the journal Nature Geoscience this week — co-authored by 78 experts from 60 scientific institutions from around the world — found yet another hockey stick. Their temperature reconstruction shows a slow slide into a future ice age ending abruptly with a sharp rise in temperatures in the 19th and 20th centuries. Recent global surface temperatures are probably the warmest in the past 1,400 years.

The study is the product of an international collaboration by the PAGES (Past Global Changes) scientific network, which supports research aimed at understanding the Earth's past environment in order to make predictions for the future. In 2006, scientists in the PAGES network decided to organize an initiative to reconstruct the climate of the last 2,000 years, which they called The PAGES 2k Network.

^ Sounds like Bernie Madoff's accountant

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Things can get confusing because there are two libel cases. Mann vs. Ball in Canada, and Mann vs. NR/CEI/Steyn in the USA. Steyn has made his answer and counterclaim.

http://www.steynonline.com/documents/6109.pdf

This part of Steyn's motion made me laugh.
---
111.
Denies the allegations in Paragraph One-Hundred-And-
Eleven of the Amended Complaint, and feels Plaintiff is
going round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a
wheel, like the circles that you find in the tree-rings of
your mind.
---

Unfortunately for Steyn, judges tend to view joke motions not in a favorable light. Steyn is representing himself, and he who represents himself has a fool for a client. For example, a lawyer would have told Steyn not to do this:

---
25.
Denies the allegations in Paragraph Twenty-Five of the
Amended Complaint, except admits that there was an
investigation by former FBI Director Freeh concluding that
Penn State and its highest officers had helped cover up the
serial child rape perpetrated by Dr Mann’s colleague Jerry
Sandusky.
---

When one of the reasons you're in trouble is for associating Mann with Sandusky, deliberately doing it again in your motion is not such a hot idea.

This just in: America still has that free speech thingamajig.

Besides that, what makes you think the chances that Mann turns over the metadata for inspection in America, are any better than in Canada?

 

[SSDD]

So F-ing WHAT? The MWP was not caused by human GHG emissions. The MWP's temperature did not rise 1C in 100 years.

Neither have present temperatures....more than half is due to data manipulation.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think real scientists have finally had enough of the AGWCult and will start to boot them to the curb next to Ghostbusters

 

[Abraham3]

I think real scientists have finally had enough of the AGWCult and will start to boot them to the curb next to Ghostbusters

What real scientists? Show us ANY evidence that even suggests significant numbers of climate scientists are abandoning AGW. ANY.

 

[Abraham3]

So F-ing WHAT? The MWP was not caused by human GHG emissions. The MWP's temperature did not rise 1C in 100 years.

Neither have present temperatures....more than half is due to data manipulation.

Let's see some actual EVIDENCE that GLOBAL temperature records were adjusted without valid cause and only in order to emphasize the warming signal. You have NOT yet presented any such thing.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The pause is the most important thing that could possibly be presented. Everything now needs to be focused on finding out the whys as it could tell us a lot.

It is like presenting the film and dna of a bank robbery suspect in a criminal case linking 100% directly back to the robber.

 

[Abraham3]

Things can get confusing because there are two libel cases. Mann vs. Ball in Canada, and Mann vs. NR/CEI/Steyn in the USA. Steyn has made his answer and counterclaim.

http://www.steynonline.com/documents/6109.pdf

This part of Steyn's motion made me laugh.
---
111.
Denies the allegations in Paragraph One-Hundred-And-
Eleven of the Amended Complaint, and feels Plaintiff is
going round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a
wheel, like the circles that you find in the tree-rings of
your mind.
---

Unfortunately for Steyn, judges tend to view joke motions not in a favorable light. Steyn is representing himself, and he who represents himself has a fool for a client. For example, a lawyer would have told Steyn not to do this:

---
25.
Denies the allegations in Paragraph Twenty-Five of the
Amended Complaint, except admits that there was an
investigation by former FBI Director Freeh concluding that
Penn State and its highest officers had helped cover up the
serial child rape perpetrated by Dr Mann’s colleague Jerry
Sandusky.
---

When one of the reasons you're in trouble is for associating Mann with Sandusky, deliberately doing it again in your motion is not such a hot idea.

In-F-ing-credible.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think real scientists have finally had enough of the AGWCult and will start to boot them to the curb next to Ghostbusters

What real scientists? Show us ANY evidence that even suggests significant numbers of climate scientists are abandoning AGW. ANY.

"Max Planck Institute For Meteorology: “Prognoses Confirm Model Forecasts” Warming Postponed “Hundreds Of Years”
By P Gosselin on 26. Mai 2013
Now that global temperatures have not risen in 15 years, a number of scientists find themselves having great difficulty coming to terms with that new reality.

- See more at: Max Planck Institute For Meteorology: ?Prognoses Confirm Model Forecasts? Warming Postponed ?Hundreds Of Years?

In other words, your theory fails!

 

[Abraham3]

Your broken BS meters are what allowed you to get sucked into the denialist cult. Scammers and criminals also notice how your BS meters are non-functional, hence they rightfully see you as easy marks.

I know no one likes to pay much attention to comments critical about themselves, but you guys really should pay some attention to this point. It's a good'un.

 

[SSDD]

So F-ing WHAT? The MWP was not caused by human GHG emissions. The MWP's temperature did not rise 1C in 100 years.

Neither have present temperatures....more than half is due to data manipulation.

Let's see some actual EVIDENCE that GLOBAL temperature records were adjusted without valid cause and only in order to emphasize the warming signal. You have NOT yet presented any such thing.

You have yet to show any rational or scientifically sound explanation for lowering pre 1960 temperatures. Most of the apparent temperature increase is the result of lowering the temperature of the past.

 

[SSDD]

I think real scientists have finally had enough of the AGWCult and will start to boot them to the curb next to Ghostbusters

What real scientists? Show us ANY evidence that even suggests significant numbers of climate scientists are abandoning AGW. ANY.

Your fundamental error is that you believe the "real" scientists are supporting the AGW hypothesis when in fact, only pseudoscientist support that malarky.

 

[skookerasbil]

February 4, 2014
Debunking the 97% 'consensus' on global warming


The main pillar of the warmist argument is the contention that a "consensus" exists among scientists that global warming is caused by man and threatens catastrophe. But a Canada-based group calling itself Friends of Science has just completed a review of the four main studies used to document the alleged consensus and found that only 1 - 3% of respondents "explicitly stated agreement with the IPCC declarations on global warming," and that there was "no agreement with a catastrophic view."

Read more: Blog: Debunking the 97% 'consensus' on global warming
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