BREAKING!! Michael Mann.....climate criminal?

Wow. A denier corrects SSDD. The world is changing - and in a good way for once.

That you people spend as much time as you do arguing against the Greenhouse Effect ought to tell you something. It would be something that sounds very much like "I don't actually have a case".

incorrect! Discussion of science is something "deniers" are capable of presenting unlike the AGW cultists like yourself.
 
your rock example needs a little work. lay out an electric blanket in a cool room and put a rock (pillow, newspaper, 2x4, etc) on top of it. check back in a few hours and measure the temp of the exposed blanket and then the covered portion of the blanket. do you doubt that the covered area will be warmer?

That depends entirely on the heat conductivity of the object. If the object conducts heat away better than the atmosphere, then the heat sink will reduce the temperature. That's the whole principle behind putting a heat sink on a computer CPU

I am assuming that mamooth is stating that wind powered mixing and greenhouse gas reduction of radiation combines to make an insulating effect that smoothes the temperature gradient down to nothing by the time it reaches the surface.

Yes.

this cannot happen because the solar powered winds lose strength and heat as they move away from the energy source.

No. Those 200 mph winds have more than enough energy to circle the dark side and get back to the light side for a recharge. And conservation of mass says that, in a wind band that circles the planet, all the winds have to move at about the same speed.

And to clarify, the clouds tops on Venus do get cooler on the dark side, but that temp difference doesn't make it down to the surface.
 
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And the laws of physics are the same on Venus as on earth. Are you suggesting that if we looked at the ToA on Venus that little energy would be escaping....

I don't say it. The data says it.

http://www.agu.org/books/gm/v176/176GM08/176GM08.pdf
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The effective globally averaged effective temperature as measured by pioneer Venus is ~230 K which corresponds to an outgoing thermal flux of ~160 W/m^2.
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That would be less than half of the Earth value, despite Venus being much closer to the sun. Combine that with the constant 200 mph winds and the very thick atmosphere being a good heat sink, and you get very little change between night and day temps. 200 mph winds means an atmospheric exchange from hot to cold side every 2 days, so that's essentially the length of the atmospheric night, not enough time for any significant cooling.

Methane is what?....100 times the so called greenhouse gas that CO2 is...the amount of sunlight reaching Uranus is 400 times less than is reaching the earth and the amount that is not reflected and actually reaches down to the layers of methane is even less than that....the physics used to describe the so called greenhouse effect do not explain why the base of the troposphere on one of the coldest planets in the solar system is warmer than the base of the troposphere on earth.

It doesn't matter if little heat goes down. The heat that does go down has nowhere to dissipate to, so it builds up. And the greenhouse effect holds it in.

The ideal gas laws, however, do explain it.

Given no compression is happening, the Ideal Gas Law doesn't apply in any way. You're essentially claiming that my fire extinguisher, because it's a compressed gas, must be constantly generating heat.
 
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