Breaking...Federal inspectors watch porn instead of watching oil rig.

[ABikerSailor]

What about all those secret meetings Cheney took with BP executives?

Document Says Oil Chiefs Met With Cheney Task Force

Testifying at a Senate hearing last week were, from left, Lee R. Raymond of Exxon Mobil, David J. O'Reilly of Chevron, James J. Mulva of ConocoPhillips, Ross Pillari of BP America and John Hofmeister of Shell Oil.

By Dana Milbank and Justin Blum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 16, 2005

A White House document shows that executives from big oil companies met with Vice President Cheney's energy task force in 2001 -- something long suspected by environmentalists but denied as recently as last week by industry officials testifying before Congress.

The document, obtained this week by The Washington Post, shows that officials from Exxon Mobil Corp., Conoco (before its merger with Phillips), Shell Oil Co. and BP America Inc. met in the White House complex with the Cheney aides who were developing a national energy policy, parts of which became law and parts of which are still being debated.

In a joint hearing last week of the Senate Energy and Commerce committees, the chief executives of Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp. and ConocoPhillips said their firms did not participate in the 2001 task force. The president of Shell Oil said his company did not participate "to my knowledge," and the chief of BP America Inc. said he did not know.

Chevron was not named in the White House document, but the Government Accountability Office has found that Chevron was one of several companies that "gave detailed energy policy recommendations" to the task force. In addition, Cheney had a separate meeting with John Browne, BP's chief executive, according to a person familiar with the task force's work; that meeting is not noted in the document

Document Says Oil Chiefs Met With Cheney Task Force - washingtonpost.com

This is just one article that refers to the meetings between Cheney and oil executives.

What's worse, the company that Cheney used to be a part of, Halliburton, is one of the contributors to this mess. Their self heating cement that they used to reinforce the well head caused the methane crystals to become gas when the oil passed through, causing the blowout.

 

[Vast LWC]

Where Bush failed in Katrina was relying on the governor and mayor of New Orleans to enact their evac plan....

Where Obama has failed is NOT allowing the sand berms to be at least started...and his failure to take a leadership role in protecting those wetlands and mangrove swamps. How many days to get the ACoE to make a decision...how many? Now finally after all this time...we see government officials on site at least making an appearance....and Obama's flyover last week? Residents and business owners are still waiting for help!!!

Alright, that's about enough of this bullshit.

You morons have been screaming about how "The Market can take care of itself", and about how "Government needs to stay out of the way of business" for DECADES.

And now, private industry has fucked up royally...

... But now you want government to step in and spend taxpayer money to bail out their sorry asses???


Why? So you can complain about the cost afterwards???

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

MAYBE, if you assholes hadn't been crowing about the "free market" all this time, and screaming your fool heads off about "Socialism" every time government tried to regulate business, someone MIGHT take a word you're saying right now seriously.

But, as it is, you've given up the right to blame government for anything in this situation.

As far as you're concerned, you get to say ONE thing and one thing only:

Let the market sort it out.

 

[Samson]

Where Bush failed in Katrina was relying on the governor and mayor of New Orleans to enact their evac plan....

Where Obama has failed is NOT allowing the sand berms to be at least started...and his failure to take a leadership role in protecting those wetlands and mangrove swamps. How many days to get the ACoE to make a decision...how many? Now finally after all this time...we see government officials on site at least making an appearance....and Obama's flyover last week? Residents and business owners are still waiting for help!!!

Alright, that's about enough of this bullshit.

You morons have been screaming about how "The Market can take care of itself", and about how "Government needs to stay out of the way of business" for DECADES.

And now, private industry has fucked up royally...

... But now you want government to step in and spend taxpayer money to bail out their sorry asses???


Why? So you can complain about the cost afterwards???

Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

MAYBE, if you assholes hadn't been crowing about the "free market" all this time, and screaming your fool heads off about "Socialism" every time government tried to regulate business, someone MIGHT take a word you're saying right now seriously.

But, as it is, you've given up the right to blame government for anything in this situation.

As far as you're concerned, you get to say ONE thing and one thing only:

Let the market sort it out.

You realise that this is a parody of the reaction to Bush's response to 9/11 and Katrina, right?

 

[xotoxi]

Breaking...Federal inspectors watch porn instead of watching oil rig.

Which would YOU rather watch?

 

[Samson]

Breaking...Federal inspectors watch porn instead of watching oil rig.

Which would YOU rather watch?

Did the rig have any Octopii?

 

[Vast LWC]

You realise that this is a parody of the reaction to Bush's response to 9/11 and Katrina, right?

Yeah, well some people are quite serious about it.

And of course there's a couple of key differences:

1. New Orleans was a major city, easily reachable by train, plane, highway, etc...
...The Gulf Spill is a mile under the ocean, and is affecting an area about 2 million times the size of New Orleans.

2. The resources necessary to deal with the New Orleans disaster were readily available, but simply not used. The resources necessary to deal with the oil spill are NOT readily available to the government, and the experts on this type of emergency all work for the industry.

and

3. The New Orleans disaster was not caused by a foreign-owned private corporation.

 

[Samson]

You realise that this is a parody of the reaction to Bush's response to 9/11 and Katrina, right?

Yeah, well some people are quite serious about it.

And of course there's a couple of key differences:

1. New Orleans was a major city, easily reachable by train, plane, highway, etc...
...The Gulf Spill is a mile under the ocean, and is affecting an area about 2 million times the size of New Orleans.

2. The resources necessary to deal with the New Orleans disaster were readily available, but simply not used. The resources necessary to deal with the oil spill are NOT readily available to the government, and the experts on this type of emergency all work for the industry.

and

3. The New Orleans disaster was not caused by a foreign-owned private corporation.

Details are not in the province of parody.

All that is necessary is:


1. An Administration that opened more offshore oil exploration in March
2. An offshore oil exploration disaster in April
3. Dead Pelicans

 

[Yurt]

What about all those secret meetings Cheney took with BP executives?

Document Says Oil Chiefs Met With Cheney Task Force

Testifying at a Senate hearing last week were, from left, Lee R. Raymond of Exxon Mobil, David J. O'Reilly of Chevron, James J. Mulva of ConocoPhillips, Ross Pillari of BP America and John Hofmeister of Shell Oil.

By Dana Milbank and Justin Blum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, November 16, 2005

A White House document shows that executives from big oil companies met with Vice President Cheney's energy task force in 2001 -- something long suspected by environmentalists but denied as recently as last week by industry officials testifying before Congress.

The document, obtained this week by The Washington Post, shows that officials from Exxon Mobil Corp., Conoco (before its merger with Phillips), Shell Oil Co. and BP America Inc. met in the White House complex with the Cheney aides who were developing a national energy policy, parts of which became law and parts of which are still being debated.

In a joint hearing last week of the Senate Energy and Commerce committees, the chief executives of Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp. and ConocoPhillips said their firms did not participate in the 2001 task force. The president of Shell Oil said his company did not participate "to my knowledge," and the chief of BP America Inc. said he did not know.

Chevron was not named in the White House document, but the Government Accountability Office has found that Chevron was one of several companies that "gave detailed energy policy recommendations" to the task force. In addition, Cheney had a separate meeting with John Browne, BP's chief executive, according to a person familiar with the task force's work; that meeting is not noted in the document

Document Says Oil Chiefs Met With Cheney Task Force - washingtonpost.com

This is just one article that refers to the meetings between Cheney and oil executives.

What's worse, the company that Cheney used to be a part of, Halliburton, is one of the contributors to this mess. Their self heating cement that they used to reinforce the well head caused the methane crystals to become gas when the oil passed through, causing the blowout.

booooooooosh

 

[PatekPhilippe]

BP is a private company. Aren't there limitations on what the government can force? In addition? What would be a better strategy? What "fixes" can be done that aren't being tried? Typically - when there are disasters of this type - or natural disasters - one thing the government CAN do, directly - is cut through red tape to bring relief through more quickly and efficiently - is that being done?

It's difficult to compare it with Katrina, though everyone wants to. Katrina was a natural disaster - there was no private entity responsible or culpable to get in the way. What Bush failed at, was what Johnson succeeded at when faced with Hurricane Betsy.

I think in some ways, the BP oil spill is comparable to 9/11 - a disaster of unprecedented scale, that we don't really know how to fix, we don't know the long term effects and we don't know what the long term effects will be of the materials we use to try to fix it. It's in deep deep water - have we ever had anything like this before? Bush handled 9/11 well, that was his finest moment but he will forever be blamed for allowing it to happen even though there is no evidence he could have prevented it. How Obama fairs here, remains to be seen - blame is often levied simply because of partisan politics.

What should the President do differently? Expand the rhetoric? I'm not sure at this point, becuase BP, not the Federal Government is the one with the technology and means to attempt to fix it.

Where Bush failed in Katrina was relying on the governor and mayor of New Orleans to enact their evac plan....

No, that's just more of the same old finger-pointing blame game. Look at how Johnson handled Betsy. That is what Bush should have and could have done as President.

Where Obama has failed is NOT allowing the sand berms to be at least started...and his failure to take a leadership role in protecting those wetlands and mangrove swamps.

Is it that simple? Where as I can give you and example of how Bush could have handled Katrina by citing Johnson, can you give me an example of a similar situation to this oil spill that was handled better?

As far as taking a "leadership role" in protecting the wetlands - wasn't there a great deal of uncertainty and misinformation about the extent of the spill, where it would go, when and how it could be shut off? What specifically could Obama have done to take a "leadership role" in protecting these wetlands? The technology and materials to that were with BP weren't they?

As far as the sand berms - I was listening to the news and they were talking about them vs other measures and saying that sand berms may not be a good idea:

But many experts say it is not at all clear whether dredging companies could build up the barrier islands quickly enough to save the marshes. They are also concerned that the kind of sand berms envisioned in the plan might wash away quickly after a couple of storms, wasting scarce sand in the region.
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How many days to get the ACoE to make a decision...how many? Now finally after all this time...we see government officials on site at east making an appearance....and Obama's flyover last week? Residents and business owners are still waiting for help!!!

After all this time.....

It wasn't a huge disaster at first - it developed into a huge disaster as more information become known.

Is the Obama Administration doing anything to cut through the red tape and help out the various groups?

What is the rationale for allowing BP to remain in charge?

I would be curious to hear some thoughtful, non-partisan answers to these questions.

an offshore oil rig explodes and is gushing oil into the Gulf of Mexico and it isn't a big deal???!!! You can't be serious!!!
Obama has finally decided to go down there...after all this time. The left would have hung Bush by his fucking balls on the Washington Monument by now if this happened on his watch....you see....the left is getting a taste of it's own political medicine and they don't like it....well...you reap what you sow. If Obama had been truthful in his campaign and actually fostered bipartisan relationships instead of dividing up the country, attacking the media, ignoring the will of the people then I might have sympathy for him like I did when he was first elected...but the more I see of this guy the more I realize he's a con man of the highest order and he cares little for the people in this country...as evidenced by his actions.

 

[Vast LWC]

Details are not in the province of parody.

All that is necessary is:


1. An Administration that opened more offshore oil exploration in March
2. An offshore oil exploration disaster in April
3. Dead Pelicans

ROFL. Funny, admittedly.

Well Done sir.

 

[Vast LWC]

an offshore oil rig explodes and is gushing oil into the Gulf of Mexico and it isn't a big deal???!!! You can't be serious!!!
Obama has finally decided to go down there...after all this time. The left would have hung Bush by his fucking balls on the Washington Monument by now if this happened on his watch....you see....the left is getting a taste of it's own political medicine and they don't like it....well...you reap what you sow. If Obama had been truthful in his campaign and actually fostered bipartisan relationships instead of dividing up the country, attacking the media, ignoring the will of the people then I might have sympathy for him like I did when he was first elected...but the more I see of this guy the more I realize he's a con man of the highest order and he cares little for the people in this country...as evidenced by his actions.

See, but you have to have a comparable situation in order to make that work. It is obvious that this situation in incomparable. Parody or not.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

an offshore oil rig explodes and is gushing oil into the Gulf of Mexico and it isn't a big deal???!!! You can't be serious!!!
Obama has finally decided to go down there...after all this time. The left would have hung Bush by his fucking balls on the Washington Monument by now if this happened on his watch....you see....the left is getting a taste of it's own political medicine and they don't like it....well...you reap what you sow. If Obama had been truthful in his campaign and actually fostered bipartisan relationships instead of dividing up the country, attacking the media, ignoring the will of the people then I might have sympathy for him like I did when he was first elected...but the more I see of this guy the more I realize he's a con man of the highest order and he cares little for the people in this country...as evidenced by his actions.

See, but you have to have a comparable situation in order to make that work. It is obvious that this situation in incomparable. Parody or not.

Sorry You throw enough shit at the wall and some's bound to stick...the Republicans have taken a page right out of the Democrat play books of 2004-2008....this will hurt Obama and in fact his poll numbers have dipped again.

 

[Samson]

Sorry You throw enough shit at the wall and some's bound to stick....

Clearly, someone needs to let you out more often.

 

[Vast LWC]

Sorry You throw enough shit at the wall and some's bound to stick...the Republicans have taken a page right out of the Democrat play books of 2004-2008....this will hurt Obama and in fact his poll numbers have dipped again.

See Sampson? This is not a parody to Patek here. He seriously believes this crap.

Hey Patek, who is the party of "Let the Market Sort It Out"?

Do you really think screaming about lack of government intervention in a Corporate disaster is going to fly...

When it comes from people who constantly complain about government intervention in Corporate behavior?

I mean, are you trying to win first place in a "hypocrite of the year" contest?

Holy shit man, it just doesn't get any more hypocritical than this.

 

[Samson]

Sorry You throw enough shit at the wall and some's bound to stick...the Republicans have taken a page right out of the Democrat play books of 2004-2008....this will hurt Obama and in fact his poll numbers have dipped again.

See Sampson? This is not a parody to Patek here. He seriously believes this crap.

Inability to distinguish parody from reality isn't limited to any American, or group of Americans: Political Parody is Propaganda

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Sorry You throw enough shit at the wall and some's bound to stick...the Republicans have taken a page right out of the Democrat play books of 2004-2008....this will hurt Obama and in fact his poll numbers have dipped again.

See Sampson? This is not a parody to Patek here. He seriously believes this crap.

Hey Patek, who is the party of "Let the Market Sort It Out"?

Do you really think screaming about lack of government intervention in a Corporate disaster is going to fly...

When it comes from people who constantly complain about government intervention in Corporate behavior?

I mean, are you trying to win first place in a "hypocrite of the year" contest?

Holy shit man, it just doesn't get any more hypocritical than this.

Wrong again .... look at what your Wall Street bailout has done....the market's tanking!!! This disaster has been unfolding for WEEKS!!!!!! and Obama now decides to grace the Guf of Mexico with his presence and fancy word speeches bringing back hope to all...where the fuck was he when the rig blew up...playing golf.

I'm telling you...you clowns are reaping what you have sown for the last 8 years....Karma is a mothafuckka ain't it?

Now...suck it up!

 

[Coyote]

Sorry You throw enough shit at the wall and some's bound to stick...the Republicans have taken a page right out of the Democrat play books of 2004-2008....this will hurt Obama and in fact his poll numbers have dipped again.

See Sampson? This is not a parody to Patek here. He seriously believes this crap.

Hey Patek, who is the party of "Let the Market Sort It Out"?

Do you really think screaming about lack of government intervention in a Corporate disaster is going to fly...

When it comes from people who constantly complain about government intervention in Corporate behavior?

I mean, are you trying to win first place in a "hypocrite of the year" contest?

Holy shit man, it just doesn't get any more hypocritical than this.

Wrong again .... look at what your Wall Street bailout has done....the market's tanking!!! This disaster has been unfolding for WEEKS!!!!!! and Obama now decides to grace the Guf of Mexico with his presence and fancy word speeches bringing back hope to all...where the fuck was he when the rig blew up...playing golf.

I'm telling you...you clowns are reaping what you have sown for the last 8 years....Karma is a mothafuckka ain't it?

Now...suck it up!

Umh....The Wall Street bailout was under the last Administration.

 

[Coyote]

an offshore oil rig explodes and is gushing oil into the Gulf of Mexico and it isn't a big deal???!!! You can't be serious!!!
Obama has finally decided to go down there...after all this time. The left would have hung Bush by his fucking balls on the Washington Monument by now if this happened on his watch....you see....the left is getting a taste of it's own political medicine and they don't like it....well...you reap what you sow. If Obama had been truthful in his campaign and actually fostered bipartisan relationships instead of dividing up the country, attacking the media, ignoring the will of the people then I might have sympathy for him like I did when he was first elected...but the more I see of this guy the more I realize he's a con man of the highest order and he cares little for the people in this country...as evidenced by his actions.

See, but you have to have a comparable situation in order to make that work. It is obvious that this situation in incomparable. Parody or not.

Sorry You throw enough shit at the wall and some's bound to stick...the Republicans have taken a page right out of the Democrat play books of 2004-2008....this will hurt Obama and in fact his poll numbers have dipped again.

The Republicans have been doing this since the days of "Contract with America" - where've you been?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Sorry You throw enough shit at the wall and some's bound to stick....

Clearly, someone needs to let you out more often.

Facts suck sometimes don't they? But they are facts nonetheless.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

See, but you have to have a comparable situation in order to make that work. It is obvious that this situation in incomparable. Parody or not.

Sorry You throw enough shit at the wall and some's bound to stick...the Republicans have taken a page right out of the Democrat play books of 2004-2008....this will hurt Obama and in fact his poll numbers have dipped again.

The Republicans have been doing this since the days of "Contract with America" - where've you been?

C'mon now...you know both parties have been at it longer than that.