Breaking: DNC Asks Pentagon For Records on 2012 Obama Challengers Palin & Romney..WTF

[Titanic Sailor]

Oh, then Watergate was OK. Thanks Madeline. Two thumbs up!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Sure need to do something here...this is past WRONG.

What's 'wrong' exactly with a lawful request undert the Freedom of Information act?

Obama refused to turn over his documents under the Freedom of Information Act and still refuses to this day.

You do realize that the Freedom of Information Act only applies to the government, not private citizen's documents, right?

I can't file a "Freedom of information Act" request to see your birth certificate or school records. Why would it apply to Obama's private documents?

 

[Madeline]

Come on now Madeline, you know how open this administration has been. I have no problem with FOI. But we know that any info that the Dems get will be twisted for their own use. Same as I'm sure the Republicans will do, after they know for sure who their opponents will be.

Ollie, the documents will say whatever they say. If the Dems spin them, doubtless their authors and the RNC will nail them on that. This is kinda sorta the whole idea of freedom of information -- if everyone can see, then no one can lie about what has been written.

 

[Madeline]

Oh, then Watergate was OK. Thanks Madeline. Two thumbs up!

WTF? Watergate was a treasonous, criminal event -- it just wasn't a Freedom Of Information Act thingie. The DNC is not a government agency, for starters.

 

[blu]

Dear DNC:

Fuck off.

Love,
The Pentagon

Thats all they'd get from me.... maybe a dead fish or two, but that about it.

then you would be in violation of foia laws

 

[blu]

Sure need to do something here...this is past WRONG.

What's 'wrong' exactly with a lawful request undert the Freedom of Information act?

Obama refused to turn over his documents under the Freedom of Information Act and still refuses to this day.

which information specifically?

 

[blu]

That does not matter, Daveman. We live in an Open Democracy and apart from Top Secret materials (and some personnel files, trade secrets deposited by companies with the government and a few other exceptions that don't apply) anything you or I or the DNC or any other citizen wants a copy of is ours. We can wallpaper the bath with it, if we like.

I'll tell you what they're going to do:

They're going to distort and lie about what's in the documents to make oh-so-outraged press releases and attack ads.

Useful idiots will believe the lies and distortions, and post oh-so-outraged threads on message boards in blue Book Antiqua font.

That's OUR government, and those are OUR documents.

Like Obama's birth certificate and college transcripts?

I was waiting for this strawman.

obamas BC and college transcripts are not documents owned by the gov (meaning us). non-classified documents between military and citizens is. learn foia laws please

 

[blu]

Just another abuse of power coming from the Socialists/Progressives. I'm not surprised by this. Shame on anyone who defends this. When the tables turn i'm pretty sure those who are defending this,will have a completely different opinion. Socialists/Progressives are dishonest hypocrites for the most part.

foia requests are an abuse of power?

 

[blu]

Just another abuse of power coming from the Socialists/Progressives. I'm not surprised by this. Shame on anyone who defends this. When the tables turn i'm pretty sure those who are defending this,will have a completely different opinion. Socialists/Progressives are dishonest hypocrites for the most part.

The FOI Act is like 70 years old, genius.

Freedom of Information Act

hes a nutjob dont bother

 

[blu]

What's 'wrong' exactly with a lawful request undert the Freedom of Information act?

Obama refused to turn over his documents under the Freedom of Information Act and still refuses to this day.

You do realize that the Freedom of Information Act only applies to the government, not private citizen's documents, right?

I can't file a "Freedom of information Act" request to see your birth certificate or school records. Why would it apply to Obama's private documents?

 

[uscitizen]

I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye at this point.
I am just glad that Bush so promptly turned over all his records.

 

[Madeline]

I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye at this point.
I am just glad that Bush so promptly turned over all his records.

A government employee's private records do not become government property, uscitizen, not merely by virtue of his employment. Can you make an FOIA request to see the college transcripts or medical records of your mailman? Nope. But records of the government employee's performance at work are government property. If you wanted to know whether your zip code was being served by more temp mail carriers this year than last and the government had a document that contained that data, it is all yours.

 

[daveman]

Watergate was a botched burglary that Nixon attempted on the DNC headquarters, and a cascade of events that flowed from it. It is off-point in a discussion of Freedom Of Information Act law.

I repeat: What is the DNC going to do with these documents?

What difference does that make, Dave? Are you suggesting that the US Gov't should refuse to honor the DNC's FOI request?

I imagine they hope to use them to embarrass the writers, but if the government could refuse to turn over documents that might embarrass someone on that "ground" all by itself, what would be left to us, as citizens, to be able to request as is our right?

I'm not suggesting the Pentagon not comply.

Just as long as you realize the DNC is going to lie and distort what they get. Because that's exactly what's going to happen.

 

[daveman]

That does not matter, Daveman. We live in an Open Democracy and apart from Top Secret materials (and some personnel files, trade secrets deposited by companies with the government and a few other exceptions that don't apply) anything you or I or the DNC or any other citizen wants a copy of is ours. We can wallpaper the bath with it, if we like.

I'll tell you what they're going to do:

They're going to distort and lie about what's in the documents to make oh-so-outraged press releases and attack ads.

Useful idiots will believe the lies and distortions, and post oh-so-outraged threads on message boards in blue Book Antiqua font.

That's OUR government, and those are OUR documents.

Like Obama's birth certificate and college transcripts?

I was waiting for this strawman.

obamas BC and college transcripts are not documents owned by the gov (meaning us). non-classified documents between military and citizens is. learn foia laws please

That might be debatable. A birth certificate is issued by the state. And if a college takes Federal money, transcripts might be considered public information.

 

[Madeline]

I'll tell you what they're going to do:

They're going to distort and lie about what's in the documents to make oh-so-outraged press releases and attack ads.

Useful idiots will believe the lies and distortions, and post oh-so-outraged threads on message boards in blue Book Antiqua font.

Like Obama's birth certificate and college transcripts?

I was waiting for this strawman.

obamas BC and college transcripts are not documents owned by the gov (meaning us). non-classified documents between military and citizens is. learn foia laws please

That might be debatable. A birth certificate is issued by the state. And if a college takes Federal money, transcripts might be considered public information.

You are correct, but a state government is not controlled by Freedom of Information law. Hawaii may have a Public Pecords law, but no state includes its Vital Records under one because of identity theft.

The mere fact that a college takes federal money won't bring it under FOIA. It is still a non-federal organization. The only possible exeptions I could see would be the military colleges, like the Air Force Academy, but I dunno if they are government or private offhand. In any event, for privacy reasons (the college's as well as the student's) transcripts would be an execption to whatever Public Records law might have otherwise applied.

 

[daveman]

I was waiting for this strawman.

obamas BC and college transcripts are not documents owned by the gov (meaning us). non-classified documents between military and citizens is. learn foia laws please

That might be debatable. A birth certificate is issued by the state. And if a college takes Federal money, transcripts might be considered public information.

You are correct, but a state government is not controlled by Freedom of Information law. Hawaii may have a Public Pecords law, but no state includes its Vital Records under one because of identity theft.

The mere fact that a college takes federal money won't bring it under FOIA. It is still a non-federal organization. The only possible exeptions I could see would be the military colleges, like the Air Force Academy, but I dunno if they are government or private offhand. In any event, for privacy reasons (the college's as well as the student's) transcripts would be an execption to whatever Public Records law might have otherwise applied.

I can accept that.

Very well, I retract my statement.