Brazil To Kentucky: How Tariffs Could Affect The Coal Industry

None of those article claim that automation is the SOLE CAUSE of job loss.


Thus your point is the one that is unsupported.

The primary cause is automation.

Here is the future of steel production. This is absolutely coming.

“So steel and aluminum will see a lot of good things happen. We’re going to have new jobs popping up,” Mr. Trump told steel and aluminum executives last Thursday at the White House as he announced his 25% and 10% tax on imports.

Someone should tell him about Voestalpine AG’s steel plant in Austria, which reveals the reality of steel production and jobs. A Bloomberg News story from June 20, 2017 offered a fascinating look at how a modern plant can now produce high-quality steel with few workers.

The plant in Donawitz, a two-hour drive from Vienna, needs all of 14 employees to make 500,000 tons of steel wire a year. The same mill in the 1960s would have needed as many as 1,000 workers to produce a similar amount albeit of lesser quality.

“We have to forget steel as a core employer,” Voestalpine CEO Wolfgang Eder told Bloomberg reporter Thomas Biesheuvel. “In the long run we will lose most of the classic blue-collar workers, people doing the hot and dirty jobs in coking plants or around the blast furnaces. This will all be automated.”

Voestalpine long ago concluded it couldn’t compete with the low-cost blast furnaces of the Chinese and others. So it has invested in technology to reduce costs while competing to make high-quality niche products. The so-called U.S. mini-mills have done something similar to stay competitive. Tariffs will let those mills raise prices and profits, but they won’t add much more than a token number of new jobs.​

Steel Tariffs Without Jobs

You might as well become a socialist.
 
coal will not be coming back in the way that miners' think. automation over humans means more productivity without the health risks, therefore no medical insurance needed for non humans. plus no paycheck distribution.


Automation is not an excuse to not care about jobs.

miners are being lied to. they believe THEIR jobs are 'coming back'. they think that THEY will be mining instead of a robotic solution to their black lung disease.
Shit for brains, Most coal comes from open pit mining and has a zero health risks.
You silly little fucker

Black Lung Disease Comes Storming Back in Coal Country
By NADJA POPOVICH FEB. 22, 2018



Federal investigators this month identified the largest cluster of advanced black lung cases ever officially recorded.

More than 400 coal miners frequenting three clinics in southwestern Virginia between 2013 and 2017 were found to have complicated black lung disease, an extreme form characterized by dense masses of scar tissue in the lungs.

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National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health

The cluster, identified following an investigation by National Public Radio, adds to a growing body of evidence that a new black lung epidemic is emerging in central Appalachia, even as the Trump administration begins to review Obama-era coal dust limits.

The severity of the disease among miners at the Virginia clinics “knocked us back on our heels,” said David J. Blackley, an epidemiologist at the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, who led the research published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It was equally troubling, he said, that nearly a quarter of the miners with complicated black lung disease had been on the job fewer than 20 years.

Across the coal belt in Kentucky, West Virginia, and Virginia, “there’s an unacceptably large number of younger miners who have end-stage disease and the only choice is to get a lung transplant or wait it out and die,” Dr. Blackley said.

Scientists have linked the new wave of lung disease to miners breathing in more silica dust, the likely result of a decades-long shift toward mining thinner coal seams that require cutting into the surrounding rock. Silica dust from pulverized rock can damage lungs faster than coal dust alone.
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Black Lung Disease Comes Storming Back in Coal Country

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None of those article claim that automation is the SOLE CAUSE of job loss.


Thus your point is the one that is unsupported.

The primary cause is automation.

Here is the future of steel production. This is absolutely coming.

“So steel and aluminum will see a lot of good things happen. We’re going to have new jobs popping up,” Mr. Trump told steel and aluminum executives last Thursday at the White House as he announced his 25% and 10% tax on imports.

Someone should tell him about Voestalpine AG’s steel plant in Austria, which reveals the reality of steel production and jobs. A Bloomberg News story from June 20, 2017 offered a fascinating look at how a modern plant can now produce high-quality steel with few workers.

The plant in Donawitz, a two-hour drive from Vienna, needs all of 14 employees to make 500,000 tons of steel wire a year. The same mill in the 1960s would have needed as many as 1,000 workers to produce a similar amount albeit of lesser quality.

“We have to forget steel as a core employer,” Voestalpine CEO Wolfgang Eder told Bloomberg reporter Thomas Biesheuvel. “In the long run we will lose most of the classic blue-collar workers, people doing the hot and dirty jobs in coking plants or around the blast furnaces. This will all be automated.”

Voestalpine long ago concluded it couldn’t compete with the low-cost blast furnaces of the Chinese and others. So it has invested in technology to reduce costs while competing to make high-quality niche products. The so-called U.S. mini-mills have done something similar to stay competitive. Tariffs will let those mills raise prices and profits, but they won’t add much more than a token number of new jobs.​

Steel Tariffs Without Jobs

You might as well become a socialist.


Yet Germany at this point in time, has TWICE the level of manufacturing employment that we do.


And AGAIN, if there jobs are not there, and it is a choice between which robots do the work, then why is anyone upset about moving it to here?
 
None of those article claim that automation is the SOLE CAUSE of job loss.


Thus your point is the one that is unsupported.

The primary cause is automation.

Here is the future of steel production. This is absolutely coming.

“So steel and aluminum will see a lot of good things happen. We’re going to have new jobs popping up,” Mr. Trump told steel and aluminum executives last Thursday at the White House as he announced his 25% and 10% tax on imports.

Someone should tell him about Voestalpine AG’s steel plant in Austria, which reveals the reality of steel production and jobs. A Bloomberg News story from June 20, 2017 offered a fascinating look at how a modern plant can now produce high-quality steel with few workers.

The plant in Donawitz, a two-hour drive from Vienna, needs all of 14 employees to make 500,000 tons of steel wire a year. The same mill in the 1960s would have needed as many as 1,000 workers to produce a similar amount albeit of lesser quality.

“We have to forget steel as a core employer,” Voestalpine CEO Wolfgang Eder told Bloomberg reporter Thomas Biesheuvel. “In the long run we will lose most of the classic blue-collar workers, people doing the hot and dirty jobs in coking plants or around the blast furnaces. This will all be automated.”

Voestalpine long ago concluded it couldn’t compete with the low-cost blast furnaces of the Chinese and others. So it has invested in technology to reduce costs while competing to make high-quality niche products. The so-called U.S. mini-mills have done something similar to stay competitive. Tariffs will let those mills raise prices and profits, but they won’t add much more than a token number of new jobs.​

Steel Tariffs Without Jobs

You might as well become a socialist.


Yet Germany at this point in time, has TWICE the level of manufacturing employment that we do.


And AGAIN, if there jobs are not there, and it is a choice between which robots do the work, then why is anyone upset about moving it to here?

Germany has always had a higher rate of manufacturing employment than we’ve had. And like us, that rate is dramatically lower than it was 30-40 years ago.

It’s not about which robots do the work. It’s about the total cost of production. If it’s cheaper to use labor in China than it is to use robots in America, companies will use labor in China. But if Trump’s trade taxes push the cost of production above the cost in America, then companies will look at the trade-off between labor and automation.

Trump’s trade taxes makes the cost of the taxed product more expensive, and it is effectively a wealth redistribution scheme from consumers to either labor or capital of domestic production. It also makes our products less competitive in the global market because it makes our products more expensive compared to competitors.
 
Not only is coal not coming back , it will further shrink more

More winning trumpsters?


Last week, Brazil reminded U.S. officials that it’s the biggest buyer of American met coal – about $1 billion worth last year – in a statement expressing concerns over the tariffs.


Latin America’s largest economy imported nearly 5.2 million tons of U.S. met coal through September of last year – about 1.3 million more than the next highest consumer, Japan, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

Brazil also said it would not rule out retaliating against proposed tariffs. Similarly, a European Union trade leader has threatened to impose tariffs on U.S.-made products like steel, cars, orange juice and Kentucky bourbon.


Brazil To Kentucky: How Tariffs Could Affect The Coal Industry
Not only is coal not coming back , it will further shrink more

More winning trumpsters?


Last week, Brazil reminded U.S. officials that it’s the biggest buyer of American met coal – about $1 billion worth last year – in a statement expressing concerns over the tariffs.


Latin America’s largest economy imported nearly 5.2 million tons of U.S. met coal through September of last year – about 1.3 million more than the next highest consumer, Japan, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

Brazil also said it would not rule out retaliating against proposed tariffs. Similarly, a European Union trade leader has threatened to impose tariffs on U.S.-made products like steel, cars, orange juice and Kentucky bourbon.


Brazil To Kentucky: How Tariffs Could Affect The Coal Industry

O already killed coal.
 
None of those article claim that automation is the SOLE CAUSE of job loss.


Thus your point is the one that is unsupported.

The primary cause is automation.

Here is the future of steel production. This is absolutely coming.

“So steel and aluminum will see a lot of good things happen. We’re going to have new jobs popping up,” Mr. Trump told steel and aluminum executives last Thursday at the White House as he announced his 25% and 10% tax on imports.

Someone should tell him about Voestalpine AG’s steel plant in Austria, which reveals the reality of steel production and jobs. A Bloomberg News story from June 20, 2017 offered a fascinating look at how a modern plant can now produce high-quality steel with few workers.

The plant in Donawitz, a two-hour drive from Vienna, needs all of 14 employees to make 500,000 tons of steel wire a year. The same mill in the 1960s would have needed as many as 1,000 workers to produce a similar amount albeit of lesser quality.

“We have to forget steel as a core employer,” Voestalpine CEO Wolfgang Eder told Bloomberg reporter Thomas Biesheuvel. “In the long run we will lose most of the classic blue-collar workers, people doing the hot and dirty jobs in coking plants or around the blast furnaces. This will all be automated.”

Voestalpine long ago concluded it couldn’t compete with the low-cost blast furnaces of the Chinese and others. So it has invested in technology to reduce costs while competing to make high-quality niche products. The so-called U.S. mini-mills have done something similar to stay competitive. Tariffs will let those mills raise prices and profits, but they won’t add much more than a token number of new jobs.​

Steel Tariffs Without Jobs

You might as well become a socialist.


Yet Germany at this point in time, has TWICE the level of manufacturing employment that we do.


And AGAIN, if there jobs are not there, and it is a choice between which robots do the work, then why is anyone upset about moving it to here?

Germany has always had a higher rate of manufacturing employment than we’ve had. And like us, that rate is dramatically lower than it was 30-40 years ago.

It’s not about which robots do the work. It’s about the total cost of production. If it’s cheaper to use labor in China than it is to use robots in America, companies will use labor in China. But if Trump’s trade taxes push the cost of production above the cost in America, then companies will look at the trade-off between labor and automation.

Trump’s trade taxes makes the cost of the taxed product more expensive, and it is effectively a wealth redistribution scheme from consumers to either labor or capital of domestic production. It also makes our products less competitive in the global market because it makes our products more expensive compared to competitors.


Why is it not cheaper to use labor in China than it is to use robots in Germany?


Our tariff free products, are not competitive in the global market, as it is currently operated. That is what massive and ever growing trade deficits mean.
 

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